Neutrality wrote:Is there anyone with the same suspicion that Putin gave Tsipras the idea to hold a referendum if the creditors wouldn't bend? It must have been a wild bet back then but now that the Greeks overwhelmingly voted "NO", Germany and France are forced to literally save the future of the Euro. Putin and Tsipras held talks behind closed doors after all and telephone conversations happened between Athens and Moscow. Sure, the gas deal was part of it but it couldn't have been JUST that. If you think about how it could benefit Moscow then 1 thing is for sure: it buys them more time. Then there's "using" the Greek situation as a quid pro quo. Putin could be telling Merkel something along the lines of "if you give me what I need, I promise I won't influence the Greeks against you". This part is difficult to imagine though. It would mean Tsipras allows Putin to use the Greek crisis as a carrot unless it equally benefits Tsipras too.
Thoughts?
(No, Flagship not you and no Haushofer please
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Eh, who knows? I would really like to be able to transform myself into a gnat and back so I could eavesdrop on some of these meetings. Heck, I'd even sneak into Bohemian Grove, even if that risked accidentally catching a glimpse of Kissenger's naked pudendum.
I've only heard a couple of things more or less concrete in regard to Greece/Russia talks. I think in one of Alexander Mercouris' pieces he said Russia, Putin and Alexey Miller basically, offered the Greeks five billion $ up front to take Turk Stream ashore into Greece. There would be an agreement for ongoing transit payments and such. That would give Greece some breathing room during negotiations with the "troika." The thing seems to have come to naught, but who knows what may happen in the near future.
I also seem seem to remember reading some things about possible offers from Russia and China for funding from the BRICS New Development Bank. Whether or not that was intended to come into play
after a Greek default, I can't remember. It might make sense that it would, though. After all, what would be the point in essentially handing good money over to the IMF and ECB?
My opinion of Tsipras had been going back and forth, but this referendum thing has been a masterstroke. Euro douchebags are always parroting the Washington criminals in extolling the virtues of "democracy." But EC and ECB officials went absolutely apeshit in condemning the referendum, which happens to be a real, actual example of direct democracy. So, Western lies and hypocrisy are being exposed to anyone paying a little attention.
And, speaking of which, how about that IMF? They won't cut Greece enough slack for them to do anything to rescue their economy, but they'll sure keep on funding that Rogues' gallery in Kiev so they can continue shelling civies in Donbass, impending national bankruptcy be damned.
Anyhow, the European economy, the financial system, is so leveraged that the next few weeks could get interesting. And maybe Spain, Italy, Portugal etc. will end up following suit and exit the EZ.
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