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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:16 pm

    Not a bad report, and looking at the supermarket, things look a lot better than they did.


    Life in Ukraine's rebel-held Donetsk
    Life in Donetsk, where rebel authorities are trying to establish an independent state. Report from TomBurridgebbc
    22 June 2015 Last updated at 06:01 BST

    EU foreign ministers are expected to confirm later that economic sanctions against Russia, linked to Moscow's alleged role in the crisis in Ukraine, will remain at their current level for the next six months.

    Fighting continues in the east of the country, but the war appears for now to have reached a stalemate.

    Inside rebel territory many businesses are closed, and those in charge are strengthening ties with Russia.

    Tom Burridge reports on life in the rebel-held city of Donetsk, where there are signs it is becoming like an independent state as Ukrainian influences are being swept away.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33219380
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:05 pm


    Address to Europeans, Eyewitness Accounts, Interviews & Accounts
    Interview with French Volunteers
    Posted by Gleb Bazov ⋅ June 22, 2015


    http://slavyangrad.org/2015/06/22/interview-with-french-volunteers/
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    Post  Khepesh Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:13 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Anything anyone would like to add about this article? Any insight, etc????


    Inside Kiev’s war A look at who is fighting the separatists in Ukraine


    https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/06/22/inside-kiev-s-war
    As far as it addresses it's own question, then it is a reasonable article, not saying that Russia is involved and admitting that senior commanders, Geletey and Muzhenko, were useless, and the financial support of Kolomoisky and help from the West. The issues are about what is not said and context, which is not given as of course they will not admit their blame for the war or their many war crimes. It also does not address the issue of casualties, mass desertion and failures of the many mobilisations, tho I would not expect any army to release such statistics while a war is still being fought. I would say that as the article is in English, then it is for a western audience ignorant of the true situation but perhaps skeptical of the ridiculous and obvious propaganda shoved down their throats by their own politicians and media. It is an article that is actually truthfull in what it says so cannot be seriously faulted, but is still propaganda, a softer more insidious propaganda than the amateur "Goebbels lite" crap that the west is usually subjected to.
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    Post  whir Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:29 pm

    Time Odessa via Google Translate wrote:В Одессе прогрессируют мощные антиукраинских настроения – мэр Львова
    In Odessa, a powerful anti-Ukrainian sentiments progress - the mayor of Lviv
    Yesterday, 19:52

    Lviv Mayor and leader of "Self" Andriy Sadovy said that in Odessa develop anti-Ukrainian sentiment due to the isolation of the region and "personal control by Putin."

    Thus he wrote on his page on the social networking site Facebook after the working meeting with the Chairman of Regional State Administration Mikhail Saakashvili.

    "Crisis. Ukrainian Bessarabia in the balance. Powerful anti-Ukrainian sentiments, which are amplified outside on the background of deep poverty and isolation in the region, is very weak presence and influence of the Ukrainian government in these areas, the personal control by Putin for the development of local separatism and the complete lack of understanding of the seriousness of the situation in the capital ", - says the official.

    In his opinion, we need swift and decisive action for the integration of the region, first of all, high-quality road Odessa-Reni, that will strengthen Ukraine's presence in the region. Continue reading.

    VZ via Google Translate wrote:Мэр Львова сообщил об усилении антиукраинских настроений в Одессе
    Lviv Mayor announced the strengthening of anti-Ukrainian sentiment in Odessa
    June 23, 2015, 14:33

    The leader of the Ukrainian Party "Self-help", Lviv Mayor Andriy Sadovy, after meeting with the new governor of the Odessa region, Mikheil Saakashvili said that in Odessa intensified anti-Ukrainian sentiments.

    "Crisis. Ukrainian Bessarabia in the balance. Powerful anti-Ukrainian sentiments, which are amplified outside on the background of deep poverty and isolation in the region, is very weak presence and influence of the Ukrainian government in these areas. Complete misunderstanding of the seriousness of the situation in the capital ", - the "Timer" word gardens.

    According to the representative of the "Self-Help", the regional administration should take "swift and decisive action for the integration of the region."

    In addition, the mayor of Lviv criticized representatives of local radical nationalist organizations that go in disguise, stressing that it undermines the sense of security at the Odessa and visitors to the city.

    When investors or tourists come to Odessa and see people wearing masks, they immediately return to the airport, buy a ticket and fly back. People who wear balaclavas, hiding. But they are hidden from its citizens - and this is nonsense and nothing is unacceptable, "- said the Garden.

    Recall that in late May, the president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko gave the former president of Georgia, Ukrainian citizenship and officially announced his appointment of the Governor of Odessa.

    The Georgian parliament called Saakashvili's appointment of the governor of Odessa region mistake of the Ukrainian authorities.

    The participants of the protest rally on June 15 in Odessa called ex-Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili "go home."

    This SBU continues to struggle against separatism in Odessa by "face to the floor," while even the Western media are increasingly paying attention to the fact that "malicious invaders integrity of Ukraine" bear little resemblance to the separatists. Continue reading.
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    Post  Monarchist Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:29 pm

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:54 pm

    Great, another drama queen makes a comeback... Rolling Eyes
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:59 pm

    Behold the mighty air power that will bring Russia to it's knees!!! lol1


    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150623/1023746451.html

    Russian Customs Seize MiG-21 Contrabanded Parts on Moscow-Odessa Train

    Parts of a MiG-21 fighter jet have been seized by Russian customs on a train traveling from Moscow to Odessa.


    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russian customs officers have seized parts of a MiG-21 fighter jet on board a train traveling from Moscow to Odessa in Ukraine, the Central Customs Directorate said on Tuesday.
    "A coach attendant filled in a customs declaration describing the declared goods as parts of a tractor," the directorate said in a statement.

    "The attendant said he did it on request of a person who asked him to deliver the cargo to Ukraine," the statement said.


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    Post  auslander Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:21 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Behold the mighty air power that will bring Russia to it's knees!!! lol1
    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150623/1023746451.html
    Russian Customs Seize MiG-21 Contrabanded Parts on Moscow-Odessa Train
    Parts of a MiG-21 fighter jet have been seized by Russian customs on a train traveling from Moscow to Odessa.
    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russian customs officers have seized parts of a MiG-21 fighter jet on board a train traveling from Moscow to Odessa in Ukraine, the Central Customs Directorate said on Tuesday.
    "A coach attendant filled in a customs declaration describing the declared goods as parts of a tractor," the directorate said in a statement.
    "The attendant said he did it on request of a person who asked him to deliver the cargo to Ukraine," the statement said.

    It was a lucrative system wherein the train personnel would take small and medium sized parcels and deliver them to the intended recipient at whatever stops the train was to meet. However, to the best of my knowledge this system was stopped in it's tracks by Russia train system about 4 years ago. If this article is true then the train worker must have had a very significant payment to risk delivering the items and will now spend a pretty significant amount of time counting trees.


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    Post  Flagship Victory Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:27 pm

    Donetsk governor says can take Donetsk by force.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/putin-donetsk-governor-at-odds-before-paris-talks-391788.html
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    Post  whir Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:31 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Behold the mighty air power that will bring Russia to it's knees!!!.
    Not so fast, there's a logical explanation for this:

    State Enterprise «Odessa aircraft plant» Services catalogue lists "aircraft aggregates repair", "aircraft repair", "modernization" and "staff training" for MiG-21.

    Probably it's for one of the Libyan MiGs that supposedly were to be repaired in Europe.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:31 pm

    auslander wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Behold the mighty air power that will bring Russia to it's knees!!! lol1
    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150623/1023746451.html
    Russian Customs Seize MiG-21 Contrabanded Parts on Moscow-Odessa Train
    Parts of a MiG-21 fighter jet have been seized by Russian customs on a train traveling from Moscow to Odessa.
    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russian customs officers have seized parts of a MiG-21 fighter jet on board a train traveling from Moscow to Odessa in Ukraine, the Central Customs Directorate said on Tuesday.
    "A coach attendant filled in a customs declaration describing the declared goods as parts of a tractor," the directorate said in a statement.
    "The attendant said he did it on request of a person who asked him to deliver the cargo to Ukraine," the statement said.

    It was a lucrative system wherein the train personnel would take small and medium sized parcels and deliver them to the intended recipient at whatever stops the train was to meet. However, to the best of my knowledge this system was stopped in it's tracks by Russia train system about 4 years ago. If this article is true then the train worker must have had a very significant payment to risk delivering the items and will not spend a pretty significant amount of time counting trees.

    Yup, we have the same thing here with bus drivers.

    So either this guy was really smuggling parts or just admitted to violating rules that have been in effect for four years now.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:34 pm

    whir wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Behold the mighty air power that will bring Russia to it's knees!!!.
    Not so fast, there's a logical explanation for this:

    State Enterprise «Odessa aircraft plant» Services catalogue lists "aircraft aggregates repair", "aircraft repair", "modernization" and "staff training" for MiG-21.

    Probably it's for one of the Libyan MiGs that supposedly were to be repaired in Europe.

    Could be, buy why not just FedEx it if everything was legit?
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:44 pm

    I wonder if torrent sites will also lift sanctions now? Very Happy

    Google Lifts Sevastopol Sanctions After Six Months


    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150623/1023743752.html


    Crimean users have regained access to smartphone and tablet applications from the Google Play store after nearly six months of sanctions blocked access.
    Google's mobile application store Google Play has reportedly begun working for Sevastopol residents, according to local media.

    Google and other mobile application providers banned Crimea and Sevastopol users from accessing its services as part of US sanctions against Russia in January. In May, the US Treasury authorized the export of communications software to the peninsula "because it helps create a potentially uncontrolled access point."

    Although the authorization is limited to communications software, users have been able to download games including Angry Birds, according to users on Sevastopol city forums.

    "Everything is updating and downloading without problems," one user wrote

    Other users found that the ban still extends to some local internet service providers (ISPs), but not others. Users previously found that Google services can be downloaded through a virtual private network (VPN).
    Unlike Google, Apple reportedly never fully complied with the sanctions, allowing Crimea users to access its AppStore if they set their location to mainland Russia
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    Post  Flagship Victory Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:49 pm

    Yet another Minsk meeting. Yawn.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/trilateral-contact-group-on-ukraine-starts-meeting-in-minsk-2-391824.html
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    Post  auslander Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:53 pm

    PapaDragon wrote: Yup, we have the same thing here with bus drivers.
    So either this guy was really smuggling parts or just admitted to violating rules that have been in effect for four years now.

    I would aver that it was not quite on the up and up. Whatever, whoever gave him the parcel will never be found and the greedy little slob will have some time to contemplate the error of his/her ways.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:57 pm

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    Flagship Victory wrote:Is NAF firing back with artillery over 100 mm caliber?
    Who cares. The Rebels are damned by the OSCE even if they respond with munitions larger than the size of 5.45mm...
    Remind me, why is OSCE relevant? Why do they care about that biased pro-Western and anti-Russian organization? Why is OSCE even let to stay there?


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    Post  whir Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:09 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Could be, buy why not just FedEx it if everything was legit?
    Because currently it's not. By the looks of it probably is just the plant trying to finish a repair (who else needs MiG-21 parts in Odessa?), obviously Russian customs are going to act first and hear the explanation later.

    Two or three days ago I read similar news but the other way around, supposedly a factory worker was shipping small electric components to Russia by bus because they couldn't be exported under the new law.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:13 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Remind me, why is OSCE relevant? Why do they are about that biased pro-Western and anti-Russian organization? Why is OSCE even let to stay there?

    OSCE should be kicked out. It's nothing but a NATO spy and sabotage organization.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:01 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:Remind me, why is OSCE relevant? Why do they are about that biased pro-Western and anti-Russian organization? Why is OSCE even let to stay there?

    OSCE should be kicked out. It's nothing but a NATO spy and sabotage organization.
    Yes, but for some bizarre reason it is not. Does Russia still want to "keep the door open" for the West???
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    Post  auslander Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:20 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:I wonder if torrent sites will also lift sanctions now? Very Happy

    [b]Google Lifts Sevastopol Sanctions After Six Months

    Sanctions were never a problem. I still get all the goodies I need for my hobby, my lass gets whatever she needs for her embroidery, my pension comes in OK. Food emporiums are bulging, wine is local and extremely good, I'm sitting here drinking a quite good German weissen with fresh lemon and smoking American smokes. Dog food, something very important to us with 9 mouths to feed, is much higher quality and as of last week roughly 50% of the cost of what the orcs were providing plus delivered to our compound now, not 'somewhere on the north side, they'll call you' horse apples from the orcs.

    The down side? Every %!*#! time we let a contract for road work someone goes to prison and the roads aren't repaired. Old habits die hard.
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    Post  gregoire Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:04 pm

    Just try to imagine if the OSCE was entirely "russian". The western press would top even what they are doing now. The OSCE also has russian observers. They are in Russia's backyard. Russia controls the information flow be there spies or not. They are irrelevant no matter what they do or say.
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    Post  auslander Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:05 pm

    I'm kind of hoping it's a snap drill and it may be, but for the last three hours there's been a really lot of noise from an aerodrome quite near us and lots of airframes fluttering here and there in not normal patterns and activities.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:35 pm

    OSCE up to spying on NAF once again. scratch

    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-day-491-yanukovych-denies-he-gave-order-to-shoot-maidan-demonstrators/

    Why do we say OSCE is eyes and ears of Maidan? Just take a look at the flags and the OSCE logo which has Ukraine flag.  Shocked

    https://twitter.com/OSCE_SMM
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    Post  Flagship Victory Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:43 pm

    So when are they going to implement this darn Minsk? Hopefully not next year.

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