The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

Flagship Victory wrote:Is NAF firing back with artillery over 100 mm caliber?

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:Is NAF firing back with artillery over 100 mm caliber?

Who cares. The Rebels are damned by the OSCE even if they respond with munitions larger than the size of 5.45mm...

BBC wrote:Ukraine crisis: Yanukovych regrets bloodshed in Kiev
By Gabriel Gatehouse BBC Newsnight 8 hours ago

Ukraine's former President Viktor Yanukovych has said he accepts some responsibility for the killings that led to his overthrow in February 2014.

"I don't deny my responsibility," he told BBC Newsnight, when asked about the shooting of demonstrators in Kiev's Maidan Square.

He never ordered the security forces to open fire, he said, but admitted he had not done enough to prevent bloodshed.

It is his first Western media interview since the civil war erupted last year.

"I did not give any orders [to use firearms], that was not my authority… I was against any use of force, let alone the use of firearms, I was against bloodshed.

"But the members of the security forces fulfilled their duties according to existing laws. They had the right to use weapons," he said.

More than 100 protesters died in the clashes on Kiev's central square, where huge crowds had confronted police for months.

A year after the bloodshed some witnesses told the BBC that fatal shots had also been fired at the police.

In February 2014 Mr Yanukovych was whisked away by Russian special forces to a safe haven in Russia. Continue reading.

John Travolta wrote:Russian media report on the new bridge rebuilt in the insurgents-held Gorlovka, Ukraine

flamming_python wrote:Russian Special Forces evacuated Yanukovich? Proof?

Россия 24 wrote:Crimea. Way home. Documentary Andrei Kondrashov

flamming_python wrote:Russian Special Forces evacuated Yanukovich?

Proof?

Ivan the Colorado wrote:None actually. There was security cam footage that showed Yanukovich moments before he left Kiev at his mansion. "Whisked away" is not really the case either as he looked like he was leaving on his own accord, not like Putin or co. had ordered him to withdraw. I'm sure he had a security detail but it wasn't Spetsnaz operators for sure. I'll see if I can find that footage again.

whir wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:None actually. There was security cam footage that showed Yanukovich moments before he left Kiev at his mansion. "Whisked away" is not really the case either as he looked like he was leaving on his own accord, not like Putin or co. had ordered him to withdraw. I'm sure he had a security detail but it wasn't Spetsnaz operators for sure. I'll see if I can find that footage again.

Ep.1 - Saving President Yanukovich 7:00 onwards.

whir wrote:

Your wrong then.

I'm not because if I was everything would be different.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:I have to point out that your assertion is "obviously" a non sequitur.

whir wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:I have to point out that your assertion is "obviously" a non sequitur.

I decided to play the liar's paradox but failed and ended with just a poor maximalist claim, my fault.

flamming_python wrote:What - we really bothered to rescue his fat corrupt incompetent ass?
What the hell for?

I suppose he had a couple of potential uses but none were employed in the end.

Instead we had a series of live comedy shows in the form of his press-conferences in Rostov where he claimed that he's still the president, will return to Kiev soon, etc... what else other than blunt lies can you expect from a lardass of his calibre.

Personally I'm still for doing a Running Man show out of him; let's see how long he will last in Ukr territory before being lynched.

flamming_python wrote:What - we really bothered to rescue his fat corrupt incompetent ass?
What the hell for?

flamming_python wrote:What - we really bothered to rescue his fat corrupt incompetent ass?
What the hell for?

Bloomberg wrote:IMF Staff Said to View Ukraine Russia Bond as Official Debt
by Elena PopinaMarton Eder June 23, 2015 — 12:22 AM CEST Updated on June 23, 2015 — 1:12 PM CEST

International Monetary Fund staff formed a preliminary view that $3 billion in bonds sold to Russia by Ukraine should be classified as official rather than private debt, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Treating the bonds as state aid, as Russia has sought, would exclude them from the bond restructuring Ukraine is negotiating with a creditor group led by Franklin Templeton, potentially placing a greater burden on private bondholders.

A ruling in favor of Moscow would remove another source of conflict for Ukraine, which has been fighting an insurgency against pro-Russian separatists in its easternmost regions for more than a year. It may also raise tensions with private bondholders with whom it has been deadlocked over the need for a writedown to principal. Ukraine paid a $75 million coupon on the bond Monday.

“It makes unclear things clear and brings some order into long-lasting disputes,” Vladimir Miklashevsky, a strategist at Danske Bank A/S in Helsinki, said by e-mail Tuesday. “We shouldn’t exclude full repayment as there is a will to do things correctly: coupons were paid on time. However, if the coffer is empty, a pure will is not enough.”

The status of the bonds is subject to approval by the IMF’s executive board, said the person, who asked not to be identified because the deliberations are private. Russia has said its debt should be treated as official aid and repaid in full when the bonds mature in December, while Ukraine argues that the debt was structured as a Eurobond under U.K. law and is therefore liable to the same treatment as private creditors. Continue reading.

Reuters wrote:U.S. to pre-position tanks, artillery in Baltics, eastern Europe
World | Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:06am EDT Related: WORLD TALLINN | BY PHIL STEWART

The United States will pre-position tanks, artillery and other military equipment in eastern and central Europe, U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter announced on Tuesday, moving to reassure NATO allies unnerved by Russia's intervention in Ukraine.

Carter, during a trip to Tallinn, said the Baltic states - Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia -- as well as Bulgaria, Romania and Poland agreed to host elements of this equipment. Some of the equipment would also be located in Germany.

After Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimea region last year, NATO leaders agreed to step up exercises and rotations of forces through NATO allies in eastern Europe as well as storing hardware there for use in an emergency.

The United States had not formally disclosed where in Europe the equipment would be stored but news reports about military planning triggered an angry response from Moscow ahead of Carter's trip to Europe this week. Continue reading.

VZ via Google Translate wrote:Кандидатов в украинскую армию начали искать через интернет
The candidates in the Ukrainian army began to look through the Internet
June 23, 2015, 10:25

Recruitment Agency of Ukraine started to publish job tankers and marines sites job search, write Ukrainian media.

Potential candidates for the Ukrainian army salary offer from 4 thousand. Hryvnia (about $ 180) and promise that in three months the instructors from Canada, England and the United States will have "real commandos." Ukrainian entered the service may be candidates without seniority and the army of women.

One of the portals organization "People's Militia Mykolayiv" invites young people to maritime pehotentsev positions, tanks and artillery. For service in the Marines promised to 4,5 thousand hryvnia (about 206 dollars), this amount is doubled during the service in the area of ​​so-called UTA. "The command of the Navy (Navy) Ukraine declares a set in an elite special unit of the Marine Corps. The detachment is planned to prepare the procedure "seals United States." Accepted man with a good physical training from 18 to 42 years old who have a stable mind and do not tend to drink alcohol, "- said in the announcement.

The representative of the Employer informed Ukrainian edition of "Vesti", that after four months of service will be given to all military 0.15 hectares of land for housing. Military specialty at the entry level have not necessarily. Continue reading.

News-Front wrote:Andrew Purgin: On reports of the OSCE there is no response

LifeNews via Google Translate wrote:Пианистка Валентина Лисица выступила перед жителями Донецка
The pianist Valentina Lisitsa addressed the people of Donetsk
22:55 June 22, 2015

On the concert of American singer came about 6000 people.

American pianist Valentina Lisitsa Ukrainian origin arrived in Donetsk with a concert to mark the 74th anniversary of the Great Patriotic War. The concert began with works by Sergei Prokofiev, in whose honor was named not only the ensemble artist. In the Donetsk International Airport there named after Sergei Prokofiev, which was completely destroyed. To honor the memory of the fallen in the Great Patriotic War in the park were more than 6000 people. Continue reading.

Ruptly TV wrote:LIVE: Valentina Lisitsa to give concert in Donetsk

Graham Phillips wrote:Валентина Лисица - клип 1 - Донецк 22.06.2015 / Valentina Lisitsa - Clip, Donetsk Concert

Cowboy's daughter wrote:Anything anyone would like to add about this article? Any insight, etc????


Inside Kiev’s war A look at who is fighting the separatists in Ukraine


https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/06/22/inside-kiev-s-war