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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:55 pm

    Given the apparent slowly increasing intensity of engagements and the almost reluctant use of artillery/tanks, they must surely be reaching a point when command discipline breaks down and some of that artillery and/or tanks breaks ranks to help stop their mates being slaughtered. Perhaps this is more likely on the VSN side which is more a militia rather than conscript army.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  Khepesh on Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:09 pm

    Famous Serbian sniper Dejan Berich flies flag of DNR from buliding in Avdeevka industrial zone. He might even be behind ukrops frontline in that location since they pushed into the "neutral zone".

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  Militarov on Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:26 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Famous Serbian sniper Dejan Berich flies flag of DNR from buliding in Avdeevka industrial zone. He might even be behind ukrops frontline in that location since they pushed into the "neutral zone".

    Sad fact, if he ever comes back to Serbia he will probably go to prison for 10 years....

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  Khepesh on Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:27 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Given the apparent slowly increasing intensity of engagements and the almost reluctant use of artillery/tanks, they must surely be reaching a point when command discipline breaks down and some of that artillery and/or tanks breaks ranks to help stop their mates being slaughtered. Perhaps this is more likely on the VSN side which is more a militia rather than conscript army.
    VSN is militia in name only and the name was only kept to seem "non threatening" for the "partners". There will not be a collapse in discipline, but the nonsense surrounding the friction between Zakharchenko and Khodakovsky should stop immediately so there is no more stories about "Oplot" at Yasinovataya, or anything else.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:54 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Given the apparent slowly increasing intensity of engagements and the almost reluctant use of artillery/tanks, they must surely be reaching a point when command discipline breaks down and some of that artillery and/or tanks breaks ranks to help stop their mates being slaughtered. Perhaps this is more likely on the VSN side which is more a militia rather than conscript army.
    VSN is militia in name only and the name was only kept to seem "non threatening" for the "partners". There will not be a collapse in discipline, but the nonsense surrounding the friction between Zakharchenko and Khodakovsky should stop immediately so there is no more stories about "Oplot" at Yasinovataya, or anything else.
    Do you mean the actual 'nonsense' or the reporting of it? I just hope they are able to find some peace but I doubt that view is strongly held in Kiev.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  Khepesh on Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:23 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Do you mean the actual 'nonsense' or the reporting of it? I just hope they are able to find some peace but I doubt that view is strongly held in Kiev.
    Both, and that is why I have not repeated here about what is said to have occured at Yasinovataya a few days back. My personal opinion is that Khodakovksy has too much bad baggage with him after the airport in 2014 and Marinka last summer. Now the affair of Gubarev being installed in Yasinovataya as a move against Khodakovsky and what is said to have gone wrong at Yasinovataya, irrespective if it is his fault or not, and it is not clear yet, is too much and he should leave Donbass for the greater good, as clearly there cannot be him and Zakharchenko in Donetsk.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:56 pm

    I thought it time for a smile, thinking about the alternative universe some exist in.

    Ukraine will regain control within 12 months over certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions occupied by illegal armed groups, Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko has said. "Ukraine will peacefully return Donbas within a year," Poroshenko said in an interview with the Turkish TV channel TRT World, the Ukrainian presidential administration wrote on its Twitter account on Thursday evening.

    The president also noted that in contrast to Russia, Ukraine observes its obligations under the Minsk agreement. "Stage one of the Minsk agreement is the ceasefire. Ukraine complies with its obligations. Ukraine has withdrawn its heavy weapons, Russia has not," the statement reads.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:38 pm

    Thank you again for everyone's posts! I'm reading, altho not posting much. Have had pneumonia and hurt my foot. but pneumonia is gone, & hopefully foot is getting better / well.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  par far on Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:45 pm

    "POROSHENKO, ERDOGAN, AND THE NEXT REFUGEE CRISIS".

    This is dangerous for Russia, I don't know why Russia is not helping the Kurds fighting against Turkey.

    "The scheme has much to recommend it. It would increase pressure on both Russia and EU, since the refugees could now enter Poland, Romania, Belarus, and Russia following their entry into Ukraine".


    https://southfront.org/poroshenko-erdogan-summit-behind-the-scenes/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:07 pm

    Lugansk cartridge factory


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  Khepesh on Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:17 pm

    From Basurin's latest briefing really only one paragraph is worth repeating, and only because it is what he says about the situation at Yasinovataya.

    The situation in the Yasinovataya district at the blockpost on the Donetsk-Gorlovka highway remains difficult. For six days ATO forces have tried to take this position. DNR units are forced to return fire using only small arms, tho have repulsed all attacks by the invaders. At the same time, 58th Brigade have suffered heavy losses with over 30 dead and over 70 wounded

    That's it, as the rest of the briefing was essentially a copy/paste of all previous briefings.

    The location of the video of Dejan Berich raising the flag has been doubted, with some saying it could have been anywere, Mosfilm backlot etc. However, it is now confirmed to really be in Avdeevka industrial area at the building marked in this photo. It is a little north of the blockpost, which is just off the bottom right of the photo on the highway, and well inside the "neutral zone", which at this moment may or may not be in ukrops hands.....

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:47 pm

    The situation in the Yasinovataya district at the blockpost on the Donetsk-Gorlovka highway remains difficult. For six days ATO forces have tried to take this position. DNR units are forced to return fire using only small arms, tho have repulsed all attacks by the invaders. At the same time, 58th Brigade have suffered heavy losses with over 30 dead and over 70 wounded

    Why can't they use heavy arms if the enemy is using them too?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  Khepesh on Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:53 pm

    Because Surkov has a Kommissar in each unit down to platoon level, and if any man dares say "Fuck Minsk", they are immediately shot.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:59 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Because Surkov has a Kommissar in each unit down to platoon level, and if any man dares say "Fuck Minsk", they are immediately shot.
    So Russia wants to constraint DPR/LPR to avoid more sanctions?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  medo on Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:51 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Lugansk cartridge factory


    Although factory is old and machinery is from Soviet times, it is good, that they still produce new ammunition for their troops. This is an advantage of Novorussian army against 404 army, which receive new ammunitions, while 404 depend on old stocks.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:56 pm

    Not seen this reported anywhere else

    President Petro Poroshenko visited flagship of the Ukrainian Naval Forces Hetman Sahaidachny frigate that takes part in the common training with the Naval Forces of Turkey in the Sea of Marmara.

    Commander of the sea campaign Dmytro Hlukhov and commander of the frigate Denys Ivanin demonstrated the equipment and mobile military hospital provided by the Turkish side. Ukraine will receive 5 such hospitals. They will be relocated to the sectors of responsibility in the ATO area after the return of Hetman Sahaidachny frigate to Ukraine.

    The President emphasized that such mobile hospitals were essentially important in the ATO area. He called them the evidence of partnership relations between the two states. “Earlier, we received them from the United States, Canada and Australia. It emphasizes strategic character of our relations,” the Head of State noted.


    https://turkishnavy.net/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:04 am

    JohninMK wrote:Dmytro Hlukhov
    Shouldn't that be Dimitry Glukhov?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:41 am


    Looks like it got big enough to warrant some official attention:

    Ukrainian Forces Carry Out Attack on DPR Checkpoint in Southeast - Reports

    Ukrainian forces have attacked a checkpoint on the Donetsk – Horlivka highway, forcing the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) militia to return fire, local media report.


    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160312/1036161346/ukraine-attack-dpr-checkpoint.html

    DONETSK (Sputnik) – The attack was carried out on Friday with DPR positions having been hit by 55 bombs, the Donetsk News Agency said citing a military source.

    According to DPR deputy defense minister Eduard Basurin, Ukrainian forces have been trying to gain control of the key checkpoint for six days, forcing DPR to return fire in order to counter the attacks. Over 30 DPR fighters have been killed as a result and over 70 have been injured.

    Kiev launched a special military operation in Ukraine's southeast (Donbass) in April 2014, after local residents refused to recognize the new Ukrainian authorities, which came to power as a result of a coup.

    The self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics (DPR and LPR), established in Ukraine’s southeast after the May 2014 independence referendums, have been calling for more autonomy from Kiev.

    In February 2015, a peace agreement was signed between the two sides in the Belarusian capital, Minsk. The deal stipulates a full ceasefire, a weapons withdrawal from the line of contact in eastern Ukraine, an all-for-all prisoner exchange and constitutional reforms, which would give a special status to DPR and LPR.

    According to a UN report released earlier this month, the Minsk ceasefire has been violated multiple times in the period between November 2015 – February 2016, particularly in certain areas along the contact line, as well as in the cities of Donetsk and Horlivka.

    Over 9,000 people have died in the two years since the start of the conflict in eastern Ukraine, according to the United Nations.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  Khepesh on Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:09 am

    Oh, the "common knowledge" I wrote about on 26 Feb of what really happens in Donetsk has become too common and ukrops got hold of video that they should not. It's now been uploaded by multiple users and seen tens of thousands of times in only a day, so hardly "secret" anymore. VSN counterbattery fire from by Shakter stadium in central Donetsk on about 23 Feb. It at least shows that something more substantial than firing small arms is done against ukrops attacks. Location and that this is recent are not being disputed. For this date it will be against ukrops at Marinka, and when other "common knowledge" stuff was occuring into Petrovsky.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  auslander on Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:26 am

    I'd be willing to bet OSCE will 'investigate' this one and scream bloody murder.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  Neutrality on Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:33 am

    I think this is for the domestic audience showing that they are doing something in return.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  Khepesh on Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:40 am

    auslander wrote:I'd be willing to bet OSCE will 'investigate' this one and scream bloody murder.
    I think they will have to do a lot of shouting as this was just one occassion, and there has been a lot more since, and OSCE, despite what we say against them, are not actually blind and stupid, simply carrying out their orders with conivance from high level on both sides. It's all a "game" designed to present a facade that fits both sides at times and OSCE as well. It is a case of "Let's all pretend nothing serious happens as if we admit something serious happens we have to do something official, and that is difficult not least that it shows Minsk to be a total charade"

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:50 pm

    auslander wrote:I'd be willing to bet OSCE will 'investigate' this one and scream bloody murder.

    Good to hear that VSN is hitting the scum with heavy stuff, I must have missed the original news back when. Someone also mentioned earlier that hospitals in Kharkiv are receiving large numbers of injured. Kharkov is close but hardly next door so situation for ukrops might be even less rosy than most think.

    Both OSCE and Kiev can scream all the want, fact is they can't get any airtime in MSM anymore, ''good old days'' when every brainfart from 404 was retransmitted like gospel are over. With Syria, refugees, US elections, Brexit, economy, North Korea, China islands, etc... nobody among the western audience cares anymore about that failed project.

    And without the spotlight ukrops are screwed.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  Khepesh on Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:57 pm

    Seems getting closer to all out war. Basurin's briefings are usually about a few tanks or artillery being moved here and there, but yesterday he said 42 artillery pieces had been moved to the front by ukrops, and this afternoon he has stated that a further 70 ukrop pieces of artillery, plus tank and other units have moved to the front, and that Ukrops high command have authorised use of heavy weapons at Avdeevka/Yasinovataya. He also confirmed that ukrops had already been using 152mm artillery at Yasinovataya anyway. In the last minutes it is also reported that VSN positions at Kominternovo are again under fire, this time from heavy artillery, not mortars as has previously been the case.

    Also this report on Cassad that on Lugansk sektor that ukrops are bringing forward heavy artillery and other heavy assets to the front http://cassad.net/hroniki-cigr/25253-lnr-tyazhelaya-tehnika-vsu-i-inostrannye-naemniki-12032016.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

    Post  auslander on Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:04 pm

    Get ready for more sanctions and these will hurt. 404 attacking and getting their asses handed to them on a platter will again be because hordes of Russian troops and a thousand tanks slipped across the border, destroyed the 404 army and slipped back across the border, all in one night and no one saw them.

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