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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  Isos on Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:28 pm

    Mig-35 with new targeting pod and R-73/74 missiles.

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    https://www.facebook.com/MikoyanGurevichFulcrum/

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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:01 am

    Isos wrote:Mig-35 with new targeting pod and R-73/74 missiles.

    Great...thanks for posting Smile

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    Post  Austin on Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:21 am

    Some information on Mig-35 AESA and R-77M from Swifts of Nile in AFM Oct issue

    Weapons and systems


    In terms of combat capability, the EAF MiG-29M/M2s have a major point of difference with the ‘ultimate’ MiG-35. The Egyptian jets lack the Zhuk-AE active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar,
    after its manufacturer, Phazotron-NIIR, delayed the launch of quantity production.

    The Zhuk-AE is an X-band radar that can track up to 30 targets and attack the six highest-priority targets simultaneously.

    Early versions of the radar were installed and tested on the first MiG-35 prototypes but their demonstrated 87-99-mile (140-160km) target detection range did not meet the needs of the Russian defence ministry. Phazotron-NIIR is currently working on a more powerful variant using a greater number of transmit/receive modules to provide a maximum detection range of 155-174 miles (250-280km).

    When Egypt ordered its new MiGs, the Zhuk-AE was still under development. Furthermore, the AESA-equipped R-77M air-to-air missile (AAM) with a range of 121 miles (195km) was also unavailable.

    The MiG-29M/M2s ordered by Egypt were therefore to be provided with less advanced avionics and weapon systems and the alternative Zhuk-MF radar. This is based on the Zhuk-ME as installed
    on advanced Russian Aerospace Forces and Russian Navy MiG-29s and proven in combat during the Russian military intervention in Syria. The Zhuk-ME has a maximum detection range of 68-75 miles
    (110-120km) against an airborne target with a radar cross-section of 54sq ft (5m2). As installed in the MiG-29M/M2, the radar provides a genuine beyond-visual-range (BVR) engagement capability using R-77-1 active-radar-homing (AA-12 Adder) AAMs.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:41 pm

    120 km against a 5 square meter target is pathetic. They really should have develop the AE faster and gave it to egyptian mig.

    195 km for new r 77 is just perfect. Hope we will see them in the near future and test them in Syria.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:12 am

    The MiG will be an interceptor/fighter so being able to track targets at 120km with radar is perfectly adequate.

    If operating with ground radar or airborne radar then ti will operate with its own radar off.

    I am sure if Egypt want AESA radar and are prepared to pay for it they will get it.


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    Post  Isos on Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:38 am

    GarryB wrote:The MiG will be an interceptor/fighter so being able to track targets at 120km with radar is perfectly adequate.

    If operating with ground radar or airborne radar then ti will operate with its own radar off.

    I am sure if Egypt want AESA radar and are prepared to pay for it they will get it.

    In russian army they are used as interceptors. In egyptian or in smaller countries it needs to be multirole. Egypt doesn't have money, Saoudis are paying for their stuff I think.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:01 pm

    Isos wrote:

    In russian army they are used as interceptors. In egyptian or in smaller countries it needs to be multirole. Egypt doesn't have money, Saoudis are paying for their stuff I think.

    in current state of Russo-Saudi relations is is even more likely Egypt financing though Smile
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:00 pm

    The cold war is over... Russia wants good relations with all countries of the world but they are not a charity.

    If Egypt pays for MiG-29s with 120km range radars then that is what they will get.

    if they want better then they will have to pay more.

    Who else will sell them such things and then not demand control of them?

    Even if the US sold them F-35s they would not actually belong to Egypt... ask me about our Skyhawks, or Venezuela about their F-16s...


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    Post  Isos on Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:37 am

    GarryB wrote:The cold war is over... Russia wants good relations with all countries of the world but they are not a charity.

    If Egypt pays for MiG-29s with 120km range radars then that is what they will get.

    if they want better then they will have to pay more.

    Who else will sell them such things and then not demand control of them?

    Even if the US sold them F-35s they would not actually belong to Egypt... ask me about our Skyhawks, or Venezuela about their F-16s...

    Of course money is always a big part of the equation.

    Do you know if Venezuela allowed RuAF to look at their F-16 when Hugo Chavez was the president ?? He was so close to Putin and so against US.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:59 pm

    New picture of Eyptian Mig-29/35. We can the glass has a yellow coulor like F-22. Probably new materials for stealth.


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    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:47 am

    The Russians might have looked at Venezuelas F-16s but I doubt there would be much to learn... they were old model downgraded A/B models for export to latin and south America.... a step up from F-5s I guess...

    The gold colour of the cockpit canopy is gold.

    It absorbs radio waves coming in and going out... so it has a practical use and is not just gold plating.... hehehehe see what I did there?




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    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:12 am

    Egyptian mig-29M/35 armed with R-77 (or RVV-AE), Kh-38 (probably radar guided or inertial + Glonass guidance) and new build Reco pod that some 40 of them were said to be sold with the Migs to Egypt


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    Post  Tingsay on Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:53 am

    Isos wrote:Egyptian mig-29M/35 armed with R-77 (or RVV-AE), Kh-38 (probably radar guided or inertial + Glonass guidance) and new build Reco pod that some 40 of them were said to be sold with the Migs to Egypt


    That targeting pod Cool
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    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:49 am


    That targeting pod Cool

    Yeah and it doesn't use a hardpoint on the wings !
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:40 am

    Mig 29SMT---- over two and a half months of operation, the aircraft had carried out more than 140 sorties

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201712071059778183-russia-syria-mig-29smt/
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    Post  medo on Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:54 pm

    I hope they will also give some informations about combat experiences of Su-27SM3 in Syria. They are there longer time than MiG-29SMT.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:34 pm

    medo wrote:I hope they will also give some informations about combat experiences of Su-27SM3 in Syria. They are there longer time than MiG-29SMT.

    I was under the impression they were there only for a short time....
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:54 pm

    medo wrote:I hope they will also give some informations about combat experiences of Su-27SM3 in Syria. They are there longer time than MiG-29SMT.

    I think it would be if they gave us experience on a FOAB being used on that last pocket of ISIS in homs /deir
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    Post  Isos on Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:14 pm

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    medo wrote:I hope they will also give some informations about combat experiences of Su-27SM3 in Syria. They are there longer time than MiG-29SMT.

    I was under the impression they were there only for a short time....

    Mig-29 SMT and Su-27SM3 are there just to be tested against modern NATO planes IMHO. They probably train intercecption and test their radars and OLS against them to have a database of how capable they are against F-15/16/18 and rafales fully armed and not those clean versions that they encounter in the blatics.

    They have 0 need for those fighters in Syria as they have enough more modern ones and it adds maintenance cost and labour because they are different fighter than Su-30/34 or Su-25.

    Maybe they fited them with new detectors as test beds in real conditions. SMT is a big modernization so who knows what they did put in the ones they send there. Same for SM3.

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    Post  medo on Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:55 pm

    Su-27SM3 is the same as Su-30M2 and it do air to air and air to ground missions in Syria. RuAF will have around 100 Su-27SM/SM3 in 20 Su-30M2 in armament, so test in Syria are quite important for them. There are clients, which use Su-30MK2 and they will be very interested in real combat experiences. Same is true for foreign Su-27 users, which could be interested in Su-27SM modernization or in Gefest SVP-24-33 upgrade package from Su-33.

    MiG-29SMT experiences are more interesting for foreign MiG-29 users as MiG-29 is not really a backbone of RuAF as they are replaced by Su-30SM and in future with MiG-35.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:20 pm

    medo wrote:Su-27SM3 is the same as Su-30M2 and it do air to air and air to ground missions in Syria. RuAF will have around 100 Su-27SM/SM3 in 20 Su-30M2 in armament, so test in Syria are quite important for them. There are clients, which use Su-30MK2 and they will be very interested in real combat experiences. Same is true for foreign Su-27 users, which could be interested in Su-27SM modernization or in Gefest SVP-24-33 upgrade package from Su-33.

    MiG-29SMT experiences are more interesting for foreign MiG-29 users as MiG-29 is not really a backbone of RuAF as they are replaced by Su-30SM and in future with MiG-35.

    Not really true.

    Mig-29 is well known by everyone. No need to proove anything. Those who could have bought the SMT upgrade are India and Algeria. India has something similar so they already know what it can do and Algeria went for Su-30 so its potentiel market doesn't exist anymore.

    Su-27SM3 won't be exported too because Sukhoi offers far better version of Su-30. Look how every countries are going for Su-30/35.

    How many of them Russia has now ? Don't they want to replace all the 27 by 30sm/35. Last time I saw the numbers they had almost more Su-30/35 than 27. SM2 is btw better with the upgrade coming from -35 while SM3 it's an analogue of -30.
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:47 pm

    Isos wrote:
    medo wrote:Su-27SM3 is the same as Su-30M2 and it do air to air and air to ground missions in Syria. RuAF will have around 100 Su-27SM/SM3 in 20 Su-30M2 in armament, so test in Syria are quite important for them. There are clients, which use Su-30MK2 and they will be very interested in real combat experiences. Same is true for foreign Su-27 users, which could be interested in Su-27SM modernization or in Gefest SVP-24-33 upgrade package from Su-33.

    MiG-29SMT experiences are more interesting for foreign MiG-29 users as MiG-29 is not really a backbone of RuAF as they are replaced by Su-30SM and in future with MiG-35.

    Not really true.

    Mig-29 is well known by everyone. No need to proove anything. Those who could have bought the SMT upgrade are India and Algeria. India has something similar so they already know what it can do and Algeria went for Su-30 so its potentiel market doesn't exist anymore.

    Su-27SM3 won't be exported too because Sukhoi offers far better version of Su-30. Look how every countries are going for Su-30/35.

    How many of them Russia has now ? Don't they want to replace all the 27 by 30sm/35. Last time I saw the numbers they had almost more Su-30/35 than 27. SM2 is btw better with the upgrade coming from -35 while SM3 it's an analogue of -30.

    Hmmmmmm Russia could sell the mig-29SMT to anyone it wants it's not limited to your suggestions. And nobody has seen the SMT in action in till now and SMT is much more than normal mig-29. And going by your reasoning that would mean they shouldn't have used su-24, su-25, tu-22m, tu-95, tu-160 as all are well known aircraft. It's pretty simple combat experience is much better than any training and to test the aircraft in desert climate and iron out any issues which it was stated by Russian MOD that Syrian conflict has provided much needed experience which has allowed them to fix any issues.
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  Isos on Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:46 pm

    Hmmmmmm Russia could sell the mig-29SMT to anyone it wants it's not limited to your suggestions. And nobody has seen the SMT in action in till now and SMT is much more than normal mig-29. And going by your reasoning that would mean they shouldn't have used su-24, su-25, tu-22m, tu-95, tu-160 as all are well known aircraft. It's pretty simple combat experience is much better than any training and to test the aircraft in desert climate and iron out any issues which it was stated by Russian MOD that Syrian conflict has provided much needed experience which has allowed them to fix any issues.

    Who will buy them ? Algeria rejected them. Most of the other countries that buy russian fighters buy sukhois or are in civil war and won't have money to buy them. That's not mmy suggestion, I am just realistic.

    su-24, su-25, tu-22m, tu-95, tu-160 are bombers so it's normal to use them in big numbers for bombing mission ... Don't use my resoning to make said stupid things like that please.

    I didn't agree with its statement saying it would be nice for potential export clients to see what the mig can do in Syria beccause in my opinion they have no future for export and its a waste of time. They should have bring the prototypes of Mig-35 with the AESA radar if they wanted to show what a mig can do, not the SMT that even the russian air force doesn't want to have...

    But I agree if they send them just to test them it's ok. But if they want to show what they can do for export clients then it's a waste of time. Better show what Su-35 and Mig35 can do. They already sold some to export clients + with some nice results in syria = you find many more clients for them.
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  medo on Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:13 pm

    It's not about selling new SMTs, but upgrading existing ones. There are many users, who could upgrade them to SMT level like, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Sudan, ...

    Su-30SM is not replacing Su-27, but replace MiG-29 in RuAF and Su-24 in Navy. Su-27 is slowly replaced by Su-35 and in future with Su-57 and in the mean time Su-27SM/SM3 will be an important part of air defense.

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