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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  Hole on Sun May 20, 2018 4:48 pm

    In tests the MiG-29´s of the former east-german air force beat the F-15 (with AIM-7) in BVR combat.

    The german pilots were against the retirement or sell off of the planes, because the Eurofighter was not even delivered and Germany would be left with no real fighter Jet.
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    Post  LMFS on Sun May 20, 2018 5:51 pm

    Hole wrote:In tests the MiG-29´s of the former east-german air force beat the F-15 (with AIM-7) in BVR combat.

    The german pilots were against the retirement or sell off of the planes, because the Eurofighter was not even delivered and Germany would be left with no real fighter Jet.
    I was just commenting on what the pilot in the video said, thanks for the info. He also stated that they managed to convince the military to keep those aircraft in service, since they were far better than anything they had at the time
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    Post  Hole on Sun May 20, 2018 9:28 pm

    The F-4 Phantom.

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    Post  marcellogo on Sun May 20, 2018 11:22 pm

    Hole wrote:The F-4 Phantom.

    The F-4F Phantom.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon May 21, 2018 5:25 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    Isos wrote:Can the new engines be mounted on mig-35 ? Regarding their size ?
    You mean, Su-57 engines on a MiG-35? No way, they are just too big for that.

    MiG and Sukhoi have their own design bureaus that they sub-contract duties to. They have their own bureaus that design engines specified for their aircraft. So in short, it's not going to happen.
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 22, 2018 9:56 am

    The MiG-35 has the same wing als the MiG-29K, missing the folding mechanism. A shipborne version could easily be developed.

    Isos was talking about the possibility of the MiG-35 to land on a carrier.

    There was a recent article that said MiG-35s were going to get all the capabilities to land on carriers... which suggests to me that even the land based models will have tail hooks and folding wings and therefore be able to land and operate from carriers or land bases.

    The MiG-35s current wing is larger than the old one like the MiG-29KRs wing but as you said it does not fold, but perhaps their production wing will have folding capability just so it is fully compatible with carrier use.

    The guy in the interview reports that the radar screen was a mess, not being really easy to understand what was happening in BVR

    Thanks for the info!

    Like I said, these were MiG-29Bs... ie downgraded export models of the very first version in service... their systems were not as good as the late model MiG-23ML systems... in fact the IRST was inferior and the R-24R and R-24T had several advantages over the R-27R... including the T IR guided model, which the B model MiG could not use.

    All of these issues and a few more issues with the aircraft would be instantly solved with the very affordable SMT upgrade... which would have made it 40% cheaper to operate... after about 5 years it would probably have paid the cost of the upgrade in savings in maintenance.

    They didn't do it because they didn't want to jeopardise the Typhoon purchase... which they were already committed to.

    In tests the MiG-29´s of the former east-german air force beat the F-15 (with AIM-7) in BVR combat.

    Even the short range model of the R-27 was designed to be faster than Sparrow... they had Sparrows from Vietnam and a Soviet copy of Sparrow entered in the competition to arm the new fighters MiG-29 and Su-27... the Sparrow lost.

    More interestingly if it was a Russian MiG-29 it could have used the R-27P, which homed in on the radar signal the F-15 uses to guide its Sparrow missile... so once the F-15 marked the MiG with its illumination beam for the Sparrow, the MiG pilot could fire an R-27P at the F-15 and it would automatically guide to the F-15s radar. With it being faster than the Sparrow even if the Sparrow was launched first the R-27P would likely get to the F-15 before the Sparrow got to the MiG.

    If the F-15 detected the incoming missile he would assume it is the IR guided missile because the MIG wasn't painting his aircraft with an illumination beam so he knew he wasn't using the SARH R-27R, and they didn't know about the passive homing P model then.

    The MiG pilot could turn and do what he liked after firing his missile because it was fire and forget, like an IR guided missile.

    The real issue with this generation BVR missiles it that they were pretty average, with poor performance.

    Interestingly with modern digital electronics and various other improvements the naval model of the Sparrow missile seems to be rated highly by the USN... the ESSM.

    Makes you wonder about the new model R-27 and R-27E missiles the Russians use now... but then there is always R-77 if you need ARH.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 22, 2018 11:30 am

    I remember reading in the 1990s that the klimov engine makers that make the RD-33s for MiG-29s was working on a 12 ton thrust RD-45 or something for new MiG medium fighters.

    Putting an 18 ton thrust engine in the MiG-35... you would only need one and it simply would not fit.

    If you wanted a MiG-29/35 sized aircraft with a single engine that one would actually be a good size, but it is too big for a twin.
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    Post  Isos on Tue May 22, 2018 12:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:I remember reading in the 1990s that the klimov engine makers that make the RD-33s for MiG-29s was working on a 12 ton thrust RD-45 or something for new MiG medium fighters.

    Putting an 18 ton thrust engine in the MiG-35... you would only need one and it simply would not fit.

    If you wanted a MiG-29/35 sized aircraft with a single engine that one would actually be a good size, but it is too big for a twin.

    Mig-35 with one izd.30 would be very interesting. Keeping two entry smaller ones but one engine in the center makes it more stealthy and more fuel economic. They could also add a small internal bay for two r-77 in front of the engine and have only r-73 on the wing for interception role. It could probably achieve supercruise too.
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    Post  LMFS on Wed May 23, 2018 2:29 am

    Isos wrote:
    GarryB wrote:I remember reading in the 1990s that the klimov engine makers that make the RD-33s for MiG-29s was working on a 12 ton thrust RD-45 or something for new MiG medium fighters.

    Putting an 18 ton thrust engine in the MiG-35... you would only need one and it simply would not fit.

    If you wanted a MiG-29/35 sized aircraft with a single engine that one would actually be a good size, but it is too big for a twin.

    Mig-35 with one izd.30 would be very interesting. Keeping two entry smaller ones but one engine in the center makes it more stealthy and more fuel economic. They could also add a small internal bay for two r-77 in front of the engine and have only r-73 on the wing for interception role. It could probably achieve supercruise too.
    I emphatically protest! This discussion belongs in the LMFS thread! Laughing

    Just joking guys!
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    Can the new engines be mounted on mig-35 ? Regarding their size ?

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 23, 2018 2:29 pm

    Keeping two entry smaller ones but one engine in the center makes it more stealthy and more fuel economic.

    A single engine does not make an aircraft more fuel efficient.

    Otherwise why would anyone put more than one engine in any aircraft?

    Replacing the two engines on the MiG-35 with one engine would greatly reduce internal volume space for weapons and fuel and would also greatly reduce manouver performance with thrust vectoring engines.
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  franco on Sun May 27, 2018 12:31 am

    Light, modern, deadly and incredibly maneuverable. In Russia, the state tests of the MiG-35 aircraft began, which in the future will become the basis of the fighter front-line aviation of the VKS. If everything goes smoothly, next year the first serial cars will go to the combat aviation units. Although the "thirty-fifth" represents a profound modernization of the MiG-29 project, which first rose to the sky 35 years ago, it differs drastically from its predecessors. For combat capabilities, this is a completely new machine. About what is known about it at the moment, - in the material of RIA Novosti.
    New MiG

    The main task of a light fighter is to gain local superiority in the air on a relatively small sector of the front. Long-range raids and free hunting are for heavy Su-27 and Su-35S. The MiG-35 acts in close connection to the ground - it protects infantry and armored vehicles from aviation, covers rear facilities, interferes with enemy air reconnaissance. These fighters, as a rule, are based almost at the front line, often on poorly trained and not the most "comfortable" airfields. The MiG-35 inherited the main advantages of the MiG-29 - exceptional reliability and unpretentiousness.

    For the first time, the "thirty-fifth" was shown to the general public at MAKS-2017 aerospace show. Outwardly, it differs little from the famous predecessor, but it has a completely new electronic "stuffing": the "Zhuk-A" radar with an active phased array, capable of tracking up to 30 air targets at a distance of up to 200 kilometers; three-channel electronic-remote control system (early MiG-29 flew by mechanic); advanced engines RD-33MK with controlled thrust vector; built-in and container optical-location stations; helmeted targeting and targeting system. The MiG-35S increased combat load, fuel reserve, engine life, and the cost of flying hours was reduced by 2.5 times.

    The fighter's on-board radio electronic equipment includes a small-sized active interference station MSP-418KE in container design, intended for the individual protection of aircraft of this type from existing and prospective ground and air interceptors.

    According to flight characteristics, the Russian lightweight fighter surpasses the main competitor in the weight category in the world arms market - American F-16C Block 50/52. The MiG-35 accelerates to 2560 kilometers per hour (against 2120 kilometers from the F-16), rises to a height of 17.5 thousand meters (against 15.2 thousand meters from the F-16), its maximum take-off mass is 29.7 tons against 21.7 for F-16). Both aircraft carry quick-firing aircraft cannons as artillery armament and have nine suspension points for various airborne weapons - guided and unmanaged air-to-air and air-to-surface munitions.

    But the main advantage of the MiG-35 in front of the F-16 in close-range air combat is engines with a deflected thrust vector. Thanks to them, the Russian airplane easily performs the most complicated aerobatics: Nesterov's loop, Pugachev's cobra, a bell, barrels, half-caps and much more. Previously, this was only capable of a heavy super-maneuverable Su-35. It is important to note that aerobatics are not just "show-off" for an air show. Due to rapid changes in the direction and speed of the flight, the MiG-35 will go into the tail of any less maneuverable aircraft without much hassle. And to knock down the enemy, who "bared" the back hemisphere, is a matter of a few seconds.
    Development prospects

    The tactics of the combat employment of the new fighter are to be developed by pilots from the Strizhi group. This famous division of aerobatics will transfer to the MiG-35 one of the first. Then the planes will be sent to the combat units of the military aerial reconnaissance. According to some media, they will be based on airfields in the Moscow region and the Kursk region. Thus, the role of these aircraft is to provide air support to land units in the event of an armed conflict on the western borders of the country. It is expected that until 2020, the VCS will receive about 30 frontal fighters.

    In addition to the basic version of the MiG-35S, two MiG-35Ds are being prepared for production. Over time, they can become the main combat training aircraft for frontline aviation pilots. "This light fighter is very economical.It is suitable for training cadets at the graduate course, for training pilots in combat units and mastering all types of piloting equipment, maneuvers, all weapons," explained the commander of the Russian Air Force Viktor Bondarev.

    In addition, at the moment, the possibility of creating a ship version of the MiG-35 is under consideration. It is known that the concern "Radioelectronic Technologies" (KRET) has already adapted a new landing system for the deck of BINS-SP-2 under the fighter. It autonomously determines the location of the aircraft in the absence of satellite navigation and communication with ground services, prompting the pilot, at which point to make this or that maneuver.

    This fighter has a great future not only in Russia, but also abroad. Of the 56 MiG-29 operators, more than half are already interested in acquiring MiG-35 aircraft. They have all the necessary infrastructure for servicing these machines. Experts call India one of the largest potential buyers of a front-line fighter. The delegation from Delhi particularly studied the aircraft at the MAKS-2017 airshow.

    In April, it became known that the RAC "MiG" participates in the tender of the Indian Air Force, which involves the purchase of 110 fighters for a total of $ 20 billion. Competitors on the tender - Western concerns Boeing, Lockheed Martin and SAAB. According to Ilya Tarasenko, General Director of RAC MiG, his enterprise does not exclude the prospect of transferring to the Indian side the key technologies underlying the new aircraft. This effective marketing move will give the MiG-35 additional competitive advantages.

    NOTE: IMO perhaps this aircraft along with the Su-34 will indeed replace the Su-25 over time.

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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:34 am

    Two MiG-29 fighters joined the Russian airbase in Armenia.

    Maybe from those in Kursk that were replaced by Su-30SMs??

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5360285
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    Post  franco on Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:36 pm

    George1 wrote:Two MiG-29 fighters joined the Russian airbase in Armenia.

    Maybe from those in Kursk that were replaced by Su-30SMs??

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5360285

    Another article called them upgraded Mig-29's. We will have to wait, no mention in any article of Mig-29SMT's.
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    Post  AMCXXL on Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:58 am

    franco wrote:
    George1 wrote:Two MiG-29 fighters joined the Russian airbase in Armenia.

    Maybe from those in Kursk that were replaced by Su-30SMs??

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5360285

    Another article called them upgraded Mig-29's. We will have to wait, no mention in any article of Mig-29SMT's.

    I dont think so. The MiG-29 unit of Yerevan have received since 2016, several pairs of repaired / replaced for other MiG-29 from the reserve or decomisioned units , after refit at  ARZ 275 in Krasnodar

    Also several MiG-29 have been deployed to Lípetsk for restore a MiG-29 squadron

    Nº 12 RF-29150 under repairs at ARZ 275 in June


    Nº24 RF-92099  and Nº27 RF-29165 ready to deploy at ARZ 275 in June


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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  dino00 on Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:03 pm


    Russian Aerospace Forces Could Receive MiG-35 Fighters Ahead of Schedule


    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russian Aerospace Forces may be able to receive deliveries of MiG-35 jets ahead of schedule in a bid for the manufacturer to keep up the rhythm and save money, the president of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) told Vedomosti newspaper.

    More:
    https://sputniknews.com/military/201808151067202432-russia-defense-jets-mig35/
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:36 pm

    dino00 wrote:
    Russian Aerospace Forces Could Receive MiG-35 Fighters Ahead of Schedule


    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russian Aerospace Forces may be able to receive deliveries of MiG-35 jets ahead of schedule in a bid for the manufacturer to keep up the rhythm and save money, the president of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) told Vedomosti newspaper.

    More:
    https://sputniknews.com/military/201808151067202432-russia-defense-jets-mig35/

    How's the Zhuk A. radar i wonder, kinda feel lost tho if these birds dont bear the AESA that was promised to them.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:56 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    dino00 wrote:
    Russian Aerospace Forces Could Receive MiG-35 Fighters Ahead of Schedule


    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russian Aerospace Forces may be able to receive deliveries of MiG-35 jets ahead of schedule in a bid for the manufacturer to keep up the rhythm and save money, the president of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) told Vedomosti newspaper.

    More:
    https://sputniknews.com/military/201808151067202432-russia-defense-jets-mig35/

    How's the Zhuk A. radar i wonder, kinda feel lost tho if these birds dont bear the AESA that was promised to them.

    I have recently asked some of the more well known and in the know people regarding it and they have no idea if it is going to sport the AESA radar or not. Which would be funny if they didn't seeing as how the T/R modules have been developed in quite the numbers already for various ground based systems (Pantsir radar system as example) and models used for airforce (Su-57 N036 radar various test units). Something like over 20,000 T/R modules created so far (that number I believe is from 2 or so years ago) from NPO Istok.

    And since Take-off hasn't had an update since 2017, no idea what is happening now.

    They are probably happy with their PESA/HYBRID radars they produce now.
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:29 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:


    They are probably happy with their PESA/HYBRID radars they produce now.

    Except that MiG have no Hybrid PESA. The most mature radar they have is the N010. Zhuk-M which is a conventional mechanically scanned slotted planar array.

    MiG Radar except Zaslon is essentially monopolized by NIIP Phazotron. For some reason tho, none of their ESA/hybrid Radars (the Faraon and Zhuk MSFE) even enter production. Zhuk AE was promising but for some reason the development went dark despite they got head start in AESA development compared to NIIP Thikomirov (The one monopolizing Su-27 family radars) and suddenly they popped up with FGA-35 radar featuring very different architecture and will obviously prolong the development cycle. what happened to Zhuk AE ?. That kinda disturbing to be honest.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:22 pm

    It would be time to mass produce them. They developed the newest one and showed it on weapons expositions which is an upgraded fga-35 3D with 260km range.

    They seem to be working hard on them. A mig 35 without AESA is not a mig-35 but a mig29 M.

    And yes, no PESA on mig-29 family at all.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:44 am

    Perhaps they could do with a much cheaper and simpler PESA model to tide them over as the work on AESA models...

    It would give a jump in performance without the huge jump in costs that go with AESA radars....
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:39 am

    GarryB wrote:Perhaps they could do with a much cheaper and simpler PESA model to tide them over as the work on AESA models...

    It would give a jump in performance without the huge jump in costs that go with AESA radars....

    The cheaper and simpler alternative, Zhuk MF was there for decades but somehow it never made serial production. the NIIP Thikomirov tried too with Osa series and Bars-29. But to no avail.
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    The weird state of NIIP Phazotron is tbh kinda mindboggling.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:10 am

    Phazotron is part of KRET which is Rostec. Same with the other company making N036 radar. Yes, it seems odd but they mentioned their AESA would be fielded by end of 2017. But there is no news on either side.

    Rostec has been making the T/R modules for quite some time now and many variants.  So why we don't know anymore than we should? Dunno.  Will we ever know? Both companies would be Getting the same modules, and N036 has been made in greater numbers too.

    It took me a long time to get data on Bars R which is very close to same performance as Irbis E. And Bars R been in use for a while now.

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    Post  Tingsay on Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:53 am

    Funny stuff  

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    Post  franco on Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:46 pm

    KUBINKA (Moscow region), Aug. 22 - RIA Novosti. The Russian Defense Ministry and MiG signed a contract to supply six new MiG-35 light fighters until 2023, the RIA Novosti correspondent reports from the signing ceremony.

    This is the first contract for the delivery of this type of aircraft. Under the agreement, the military department will receive aircraft in the modifications "UB" and "C".

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    Post  Isos on Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:04 pm

    franco wrote:KUBINKA (Moscow region), Aug. 22 - RIA Novosti. The Russian Defense Ministry and MiG signed a contract to supply six new MiG-35 light fighters until 2023, the RIA Novosti correspondent reports from the signing ceremony.

    This is the first contract for the delivery of this type of aircraft. Under the agreement, the military department will receive aircraft in the modifications "UB" and "C".


    5 years for 6 jets confused ? Seriously ? Where are the 36 that they said they will order ?

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