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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  Luq man on Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:13 pm

    Mig-35 production starts Januari 2018.
    https://rg.ru/2017/12/26/reg-cfo/proizvodstvo-mig-35-nachnetsia-v-ianvare.html
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:06 pm

    Luq man wrote:Mig-35 production starts Januari 2018.
    https://rg.ru/2017/12/26/reg-cfo/proizvodstvo-mig-35-nachnetsia-v-ianvare.html

    About time, i wonder what the Russian specs are, maybe that new photonic antenna they've been working on (FGA-35(3D)).
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    Post  Luq man on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:53 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Luq man wrote:Mig-35 production starts Januari 2018.
    https://rg.ru/2017/12/26/reg-cfo/proizvodstvo-mig-35-nachnetsia-v-ianvare.html

    About time, i wonder what the Russian specs are, maybe that new photonic antenna they've been working on (FGA-35(3D)).

    Lol, let's not get ahead of ourselfs. I think we should be happy if we see the Zhuk-AE fitted into these MiGs. Together with the new targeting pods these jet will have enhanced capabilities. But with (initially) only 24 airframes to be produced, and 8 (or so) of them (likely) destined for the the Swifts aerobatic team, I think these jets will not play a significant role in the Russian Air Force. After the (likely) initial batch of 24 they will probably focus on export orders and the new upcoming MiG-41. Wich is good percpective since Sukhoi dominates the domestic market in fighter production.
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:53 pm

    Luq man wrote:Lol, let's not get ahead of ourselfs. I think we should be happy if we see the Zhuk-AE fitted into these MiGs. Together with the new targeting pods these jet will have enhanced capabilities. But with (initially) only 24 airframes to be produced, and 8 (or so) of them (likely) destined for the the Swifts aerobatic team, I think these jets will not play a significant role in the Russian Air Force. After the (likely) initial batch of 24 they will probably focus on export orders and the new upcoming MiG-41. Wich is good percpective since Sukhoi dominates the domestic market in fighter production.

    I very much doubt the acrobatics team would be interested in these aircrafts, they simply don't need them.

    I believe the opposite, there is a need for small capable multi-role fighters and the Mig-35 would fulfill this role to a T.

    Yes, the Mig-41 is definitely a higher priority, luckily development of the new Mig-35 is already done.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:49 am

    Luq man wrote:Mig-35 production starts Januari 2018.
    https://rg.ru/2017/12/26/reg-cfo/proizvodstvo-mig-35-nachnetsia-v-ianvare.html

    so contract was signed?
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:18 am

    George1 wrote:
    Luq man wrote:Mig-35 production starts Januari 2018.
    https://rg.ru/2017/12/26/reg-cfo/proizvodstvo-mig-35-nachnetsia-v-ianvare.html

    so contract was signed?

    Apparently yes...at least according to Interfaks which is quoting source from the MIC...also, the mentioned number of 24-30 aircraft might increase according to the source

    Media reports about a possible order of 24-30 MiG-35 spokesman did not comment, noting that "many of the figures in the SAP, adjusted and change over time."

    Arrow https://www.aex.ru/news/2017/12/26/179477/
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    Post  medo on Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:35 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/102223/

    MiG Corporation finished modernization of their production plant in Kalyazin in Tver Oblast for serial production of MiG-35 and Il-114. MiG will now be able to produce 36 MiG-35 jets per year. RuAF need around 400 MiG-35 jets and big investment in production modernization show, that RuAF will buy them. No need for production capabilities of 36 jets per year if RuAF will order only 30 jets.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:28 pm

    medo wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/102223/

    MiG will now be able to produce 36 MiG-35 jets per year.

    it can't be true.. too optimistic
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    Post  Kimppis on Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:38 pm

    "RuAF need around 400 MiG-35 jets..."

    Uhh... Based on what exactly!? No they don't.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:42 pm

    George1 wrote:
    medo wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/102223/

    MiG will now be able to produce 36 MiG-35 jets per year.

    it can't be true.. too optimistic

    The article says it's maximum capacity after the upgrades to the production facilities....unless they suddenly have a boom in orders, I don't think they'll be utilising their full capacity. Also I suspect their suppliers of engines, radars and so on can supply that many at this stage
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:14 am

    Really comes down to this new light 5th gen fighter... if it does not materialise then a few hundred MiG-35s would be useful.

    Regarding production capacity you never book orders with the government to fill your production capacity because once you have it in production you start looking for export customers you can charge twice as much for and make rather bigger profits from.

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:43 am

    Bangladesh Air Force will buy Kab-500L laser guided bombs for her Mig-29s. I wonder how & what they use to laser-illuminate the targets?

    Due to ground clearance issue, can new Russian targeting pod attach under the engine intake of old generation of Mig-29s (9-12, 9-13)?

    http://www.defbd.com/bangladesh-defence-procurement/bangladesh-air-force-buying-laser-guided-munitions-for-mig-29/
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:59 am

    Few planes self designate with laser guided weapons even if they are equipped to do so.

    Normally a wingman or other platform will mark the target while the aircraft delivering the munition flys a different path to get optimum flight path for the bomb.

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:43 pm

    GarryB wrote:Few planes self designate with laser guided weapons even if they are equipped to do so.

    Normally a wingman or other platform will mark the target while the aircraft delivering the munition flys a different path to get optimum flight path for the bomb.
    I wonder that because I have never seen any old generation of Mig-29s with real targeting pod, including Mig-29bm, Mig-29smt & Mig-29upg. In ILA 1998, Mikoyan displayed a Mig-29smt with Thales PDLCT targeting pod in the ventral pylon but that was mockup for display only.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:03 am

    Not just Russia, in Desert Storm The UK had to reactivate an aircraft to do their laser target designating... So they had Buccaneers marking targets for Tornados...

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:40 am

    Besides Mig-29s, Bangladesh AF has only 2 other finghters that are Yak-130s and F-7s and non of them can illuminate the laser on targets. Therefore, either her Mig-29s have been upgraded to use targeting pod or the ground force will have to paint the laser on the target for Kab-500L bombs released by Mig-29s or Yak-130.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:03 am

    If the job is target marking then you don't need a fighter... a buccaneer is a carrier based strike aircraft and certainly not a fighter.

    In Vietnam the US used small light planes called Bird dogs to spot targets for heavier bombers... most often they were armed with small rocket pods and marked targets with coloured smoke...
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    Post  Isos on Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:10 pm

    Just found this about SMT. The OLS is not that good with less than 60km range against a Su-30from behind and it has big engines without reduction of its heat signature so an easy target. I hope they have something better for Sukhois and for Mig-35.



    The radar is as we already said normal. It has 120 km range against 5m² target head on and look up and 110 against the same target when look down. But it is multi role and allow to attack ships at 300 km which is very good as the mig can carry the kh-31 and kh-35 so it can use them at max range.

    This is weired that they have only 120km because they created Zhuk-10PD for chinese J-10 with 160km range. They also claim on wiki that Zhuk-M has 180km range for the export version but here it is claimed only 120km.

    Also for those who say Su-57 is not stealth from behind, you can see here the dfference between head on radar detection (120km) and tail on detection range (50km). The detection range reduced by more than two so the su-57 doesn't need to be as stealth on it rear as on its front. Smart move of sukhoi to save money.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:26 am


    This is weired that they have only 120km because they created Zhuk-10PD for chinese J-10 with 160km range. They also claim on wiki that Zhuk-M has 180km range for the export version but here it is claimed only 120km.

    Conservative numbers for export model... not a surprise.... totally the opposite of western practise of course...

    Also for those who say Su-57 is not stealth from behind, you can see here the dfference between head on radar detection (120km) and tail on detection range (50km). The detection range reduced by more than two so the su-57 doesn't need to be as stealth on it rear as on its front. Smart move of sukhoi to save money.

    Tracking ranges against receeding targets are always reduced compared with tracking range with closing targets...

    The OLS is not that good with less than 60km range against a Su-30from behind and it has big engines without reduction of its heat signature so an easy target. I hope they have something better for Sukhois and for Mig-35.

    That is not bad for tracking range for a twin engined fighter with turbofan engines.... they have a bit of bypass air which does not go through the hot section and is actually cold air... the choice is no accident.... they are pretty much referencing its effective range against an F-15C.

    Why do you think being able to detect and track an F-15C or perhaps F-22 sized aircraft from 60km totally passively is a bad thing?

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:17 am

    It is the first time I see a Mig-29smt with 3 fuel tanks and weapons. The total loadout is around 5 tons.





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    Post  Isos on Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:13 am

    Why do you think being able to detect and track an F-15C or perhaps F-22 sized aircraft from 60km totally passively is a bad thing?

    Well compared to su-35's or Rafale's one it's inferior but they should have something better for mig 35.

    It is bad because they have models with 90+km range and their R-27T are +100 km in range so they can't use them at max range passivly while they could if they put the ols of su 35.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:26 am

    The MiG-35 is not going to be hunting Su-35s or Rafales, it is a short range fighter/interceptor/bomber... and to be honest when its AESA radar matures and becomes more capable it will be using that rather more and more.

    The R-27T has a range of 65km against a fighter sized target, while the R-27ET has a range of about 80km against a fighter sized target, but AFAIK neither have a datalink or autopilot and lock on after launch capability so it does not matter what range it can detect a target with its IRST, if the seeker in the missile cannot detect the target at such ranges then you are wasting your time.

    The IR guided models of Alamo are mostly intended for chase down intercepts from behind where normal radar tracking is not so effective... which means firing a missile with a 65km effective intercept range actually means launching when it is less than 30km away and heading away from you and having it catch up.

    They would probably have a range of less than 30km at low altitude but then most WVR missiles will have less than 10km range at such altitudes in ideal conditions.

    In the next gen missiles for the PAK FA they might have medium and long range missiles with IIR seekers that can lock on after launch (they have to because they can't lock onto targets from inside a weapon bay). That means you can detect the trace of an enemy aircraft and launch a long range missile in that direction with its seeker looking for targets all the way passively... the ultimate anti stealth weapon... Very simply the range of the IRST is not a problem... if you detect any IR signature then you know the target is either very very hot or it is at most 60km away... so a 280km range IIR guided R-37M should be able to run it down and catch it up even if it cannot detect it at launch.

    The IRST in the MiG-29A export model is superior to the IRST fitted as standard in the F-22... Razz
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    Post  MC-21 on Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:32 pm

    N RUSSIA 09:13, 6 January 2018
    State tests MiG-35 start in early 2018
    There is an update from 14:51 → In the Russian Federation, flight tests of the tenth fifth-generation fighter Su-57
    Moscow. 6th January. INTERFAX.RU - The MiG-35 multipurpose fighter will soon be released for government tests, a source in the aviation industry told Interfax.

    "The factory flight tests of the MiG-35 were completed in December 2017. The fighter is preparing to enter state joint tests in early 2018," the source said.

    According to him, the state testing is planned to be completed in 2019.

    In November 2017, representative of the Russian Aircraft Corporation (RAC) MiG (part of the UAC) told Interfax that the results of the first stage of the tests will be announced in early 2018. "The factory flight tests are in accordance with the schedule and will end at the end of this year, which means that we will be able to voice the results at the beginning of the next one," the company spokesman said.

    MiG-35 - the most perfect in the family of fighters "MiG". This aircraft belongs to the 4 ++ generation and is regarded as a transitional link to the fifth generation fighter. The aircraft is capable of simultaneously capturing 10 targets, it is unobtrusive and multifunctional. It is equipped with radio-electronic equipment, which allows the use of all means of aviation destruction.

    The composition of the MiG-35 means introduces advanced aviation weapons, which were not previously offered for export. Among them - means of destruction of a long range, allowing to attack targets without entering the air defense (air defense) zones. The aircraft is able to solve combat missions in the spectra of "air-to-air", "air-ground", "air-ship".

    The MiG-35 is equipped with a modern defense system, it minimizes a sudden attack from the enemy, allows to recognize both aircraft and flying missiles.

    Previously, Viktor Bondarev, while in the position of the commander-in-chief of the VKS, said that the entire fleet of light fighters would be replaced with the MiG-35. According to him, the fighter can be equipped with laser weapons..
    http://www.interfax.ru/russia/594502
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    Post  Isos on Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:02 pm

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/what-everyone-wants-know-about-russias-new-mig-35-fighter-18939

    The picture in this article shows a maket of the mig-35 but with 5 weapons on each wing.

    Are they planing to increase the number of hardpoints to 11 or keep the 9 ? They also have the new double luncher already seen on su-35 for that.

    Another question. Is the hardpoint between the engines able to carry missiles or is it only for fuel tanks ?

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