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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:30 am

    Lock on after lunch would allow longer range engagement for R-27ET.

    It is a chase down missile rarely used against head on targets.

    Against a powerfull enemy with awacs and jaming plaines you can lunch a salvo of ER and ET at max range and be sure one of them will hit.

    At max range against a powerful enemy you can be sure neither will hit.

    Specially if your radar paint the target it will lunch only chaffs and not flares because he will think it's only a radar missile so your R-27ET has more chances to hit.

    A powerful enemy with modern aircraft will detect the IR signature of both missiles coming...

    It is marketed as a 110km missile while in fact it is more for dogfight with longer legs than a r-73.

    110km in a high altitude high speed launch against a closing target.

    It is 80km for a fighter sized target high altitude closing.

    If the enemy has awacs or has its radar turned on it will probably see a Sukhoi at long range. Passive isn't only good for silent engagement like you describ it by going radar tunred off. R-27ET is a very capable missiles and should be used with all it potentiel.

    If the target is an AWACS aircraft then the weapon of choice should be the R-27EP passive homing ARM model.

    It's usefull for Mig-29KR but for the mig-35 does it change something to have smaller or bigger ailerons than a mig-29 ? It will operate Airport not from a carrier.

    Lower takeoff and landing speeds is not a bad thing, and lower stall speed is good too, though the TVC means there is no actual stall speed...


    I didn't know they have used the wings of Mig-29K for Mig-35.

    Structurally I believe the main difference between the two is the non folding wing on the 35 and the lack of a tail hook. Of course the electronics and systems are totally different and the 35 has various EO systems around the place too.

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:48 pm

    All of modernized Mig-29 get the RWR/ELINT L-150 Pastel that can passively detect air radiating targets, precisely determine their directions and guide R-77 or R-27P or R-27EP missiles to attake those targets.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:41 am

    The Sokol plant has announced that it has completed the upgrade of the production facilities and is ready for production of MiG-35's...
    https://politros.com/120155-zavershena-modernizaciya-zavoda-kotoryi-budet-vypuskat-istrebiteli-mig-35
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    Post  Isos on Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:12 pm

    http://mil.today/2018/Weapons10/
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    The Radioelectronic Technologies Concern KRET has adapted the new deck-landing system BINS-SP-2 to the MiG-35 fighters, a top-ranking official of the company told Mil.Press Today.

    "All works under adaptation of our system to the Russia’s newest warplane successfully ended; as for today, BINS-SP-2 has passed the trials", he said. The system will not only improve performance of the jets but make them capable to land on decks of aircraft-carrying ships, added the interviewee.

    Along with that, according to an informed insider of Mil.Press Today, deck-based version of MiG-35 does not exist yet, and its creation is not a priority for the Russian defense ministry.

    Theoretically, the newest Russian fighter MiG-35 can be used as the deck-based jet for aircraft-carrying cruisers, said deputy defense minister Yury Borisov at the MAKS-2017 international aerospace show answering the question of Mil.Press Today. As for him, if Russian aircraft industry offers the deck-based version of the new fighter, defense ministry "will be happy to consider such a proposal".

    However, the Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG has not focused on designing of the MiG-35’s deck-based version yet, said the company’s director Ilya Tarasenko at the Army-2017 forum.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:52 pm

    Good picture for wallpaper found on mig-29 page on Facebook. Mig-29SMT from Russian air force in formation.


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    Post  franco on Sat May 12, 2018 1:17 pm

    The Strizhi "Swifts" air group is one of the first to receive the newest MiG-35 fighters, said Lieutenant-General Andrey Yudin, Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Defense Committee, adding that the fighters will arrive at the Kubinka airbase after the state tests. Currently, the group is piloted on MiG-29 fighters It is planned to retrain the pilots of the Strizhi air group to the MiG-35 fighter. The state tests of the aircraft are now being completed. After their completion, the newest vehicles will be used by the squadron of the aerobatic team "Strizhi" - he said
    Yudin said that the very first MiG-35 will receive the State Flight Test Center in Akhtubinsk, then the plane will go to the Lipetsk Air Center, which includes the Kubinka airbase.

    The Air Force commander also said that the pilots of the "Russian Knights" air group had fully mastered the Su-30SM fighters.
    Su-30SM is a 4+ generation aircraft, which has very high combat characteristics, including aerobatics. To date, "Russian Knights" fully mastered this fighter, the pilots are already performing in addition to group flight six, pairing and counter-piloting
    , - said Yudin.

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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  Austin on Sun May 13, 2018 6:38 pm

    Interview with Robert Hierl on the MiG-29 Fulcrum


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    Post  eridan on Mon May 14, 2018 2:22 pm

    With the limited numbers of MiG-35 ordered so far, and with Strizhi being the ones to get them first, doesn't that imply that MiG-35 is sort of unwanted by the MoD? If it was otherwise, wouldn't MoD use them in frontline combat units?
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    Post  Isos on Mon May 14, 2018 3:15 pm

    eridan wrote:With the limited numbers of MiG-35 ordered so far, and with Strizhi being the ones to get them first, doesn't that imply that MiG-35 is sort of unwanted by the MoD? If it was otherwise, wouldn't MoD use them in frontline combat units?

    Mig-35 was specially designed for export. Russians have the bigger Su-30 and Su-35 which has longer legs and can carry more than Mig-35 so sukhois can do everything the mig can but with better specificatioon for russian army. Su-57 is just far away better in everything than mig-35. For their big country Sukhois are far better.

    The order of the first Mig-35s is to boost its export potentiel. IF lot of countries buy it I don't think Russian air force will order that much. They will keep money for Su-57 and they have already Su-30 and Su-35 orders.

    Mig-41 is also expected for some years to be operational so they will have also to buy this one to replace mig-31.

    Mig-29/35 are not the priority.
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    Post  Hole on Mon May 14, 2018 3:58 pm

    The MiG-29´s of the Strizihi team are old. Really old. They need a replacement.

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    Post  KiloGolf on Mon May 14, 2018 4:47 pm

    Hole wrote:The MiG-29´s of the Strizihi team are old. Really old. They need a replacement.

    All MiG-29s are kinda old, but most are not older than your average F-15C/D/E.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon May 14, 2018 6:40 pm

    Hole wrote:The MiG-29´s of the Strizihi team are old. Really old. They need a replacement.


    deck fighter for Kuznetsov could be option too. This might help both export and Indian contract.
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    Post  Isos on Mon May 14, 2018 7:06 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Hole wrote:The MiG-29´s of the Strizihi team are old. Really old. They need a replacement.


    deck fighter for Kuznetsov could be option too. This might help both export and Indian contract.  

    mig 35 is capable of lansing and takinf off from K. I gave posted a link here. You can see it in this thread go back 1 page or two.
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    Post  Hole on Mon May 14, 2018 9:41 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Hole wrote:The MiG-29´s of the Strizihi team are old. Really old. They need a replacement.

    All MiG-29s are kinda old, but most are not older than your average F-15C/D/E.

    Sure, but there is a difference between flying around a little bit and high class aerobatics.

    I´m pretty sure in the long run the VKS will replace the 100 - 150 MiG-29S/SMT with the MiG-35. All large air forces in the world got a mix of heavy/light aircraft. Russia will be no difference. But it´s not the highest priority.
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    Post  LMFS on Mon May 14, 2018 11:13 pm

    Austin wrote:Interview with Robert Hierl on the MiG-29 Fulcrum

    Long but very interesting interview, thanks for posting. I was surprised to see what a good opinion the western Germany pilots had of the plane and that they lobbied to save it from scrapping, arguing it was the best fighter they had at that time. He mentions expected things like manoeuvrability, simplicity and ease of use but also others like huge excess power, safety and forgiveness that one may no link to the plane. Apparently the helmet sight for IR missiles was an absolute overkill in close combat. The guy is an ace and Eurofighter test pilot, so no ignorant in modern aircraft.

    After listening to the guy makes even more sense that the Russians have created the MiG-35 around the same excellent airframe but addressing the issues of the original plane: crude avionics, specially regarding BVR combat, and fuel consumption / range. The plane should be a bargain for smaller air forces, a pity that many have grown wary after apparently many support issues and also that so many planers out there feel too important to do without a stealth fighter  Rolling Eyes

    Do you happen to know the cost of the plane for export?
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    Post  Isos on Mon May 14, 2018 11:54 pm

    LMFS wrote:, a pity that many have grown wary after apparently many support issues and also that so many planers out there feel too important to do without a stealth fighter Rolling Eyes


    Do you happen to know the cost of the plane for export?
    Most of them will end up with either bs chinese 5th generation fighters or very little real ones like f-35. They still will need mig-35 like fighter which are far cheaper to operate.

    It should be around 40-45 million.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue May 15, 2018 12:42 am

    Isos wrote: mig 35 is capable of lansing and takinf off from K. I gave posted a link here. You can see it in this thread go back 1 page or two.

    I am sure it is, the question is : will they replace MiGs-29K with 35s? Could make Kuz more potent CV.

    As for new CVN ti will be too obsolete Sad I hope some LMFS will replace it in this role. I dont see MiG-35 in 2030s as main striking force of Russian fleet.



    Isos wrote:
    Most of them will end up with either bs chinese 5th generation fighters or very little real ones like f-35. They still will need mig-35 like fighter which are  far cheaper to operate.

    I am afraid we know too little to call Chinese fighters  BS.


    In February alst year there were several press articles abut successor of MiG-35. Rogozin said that MiG is actually working on LMFS. Rogozin now is replaced by Borisov. Let's wait what he is going to say?

    AiR&Cosmos also published a drawing by Piotr Butowski regarding possible look of MiG LMFS:





    and here model of Yak-201 (LFI proposal) STOL. Wait, wait Borisov ? didnt he want V/STOL fighter ? lol1 lol1 lol1


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    Post  LMFS on Tue May 15, 2018 1:20 am

    Isos wrote:
    Most of them will end up with either bs chinese 5th generation fighters or very little real ones like f-35. They still will need mig-35 like fighter which are  far cheaper to operate.

    It should be around 40-45 million.
    Thanks for the estimation Isos, that would be quite reasonable. Roughly half the price of a Rafale which is not twice as effective even in Dassaults wildest dreams.

    Maybe after losing 10 years and the shirt trying to develop (!) themselves a 5th gen. fighter some countries end up buying cheap MiGs that are readily available to plug holes in their air forces, who knows. The FC-31 looks like a "blockbuster" kind of export product, but I remain sceptic regarding a plane which is supposed to be cheap and stealth at the same time. The stealth-mania could last shorter than thought

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    I hope some LMFS will replace it in this role.
    Thanks for the confidence Laughing
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue May 15, 2018 1:22 am

    LMFS wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    I hope some LMFS will replace it in this role.
    Thanks for the confidence Laughing

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    Post  Hole on Sat May 19, 2018 5:30 pm

    The MiG-35/-35D is a development of the MiG-29M/-29M2, which has 80% commonality with the MiG-29K/-29KUB.

    The Russian Navy got a choice, either fit a hook to the MiG-35 and call it MiG-35K or wait until the new electronics are mature and fit them into the MiG-29K and call it MiG-29KM.
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    Post  LMFS on Sun May 20, 2018 1:59 am

    Hole wrote:The MiG-35/-35D is a development of the MiG-29M/-29M2, which has 80% commonality with the MiG-29K/-29KUB.

    The Russian Navy got a choice, either fit a hook to the MiG-35 and call it MiG-35K or wait until the new electronics are mature and fit them into the MiG-29K and call it MiG-29KM.
    Well they have a lot of time so better let the VVS iron out all the bugs of the -35s before making any decision Razz
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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 20, 2018 6:12 am

    Long but very interesting interview, thanks for posting. I was surprised to see what a good opinion the western Germany pilots had of the plane and that they lobbied to save it from scrapping, arguing it was the best fighter they had at that time. He mentions expected things like manoeuvrability, simplicity and ease of use but also others like huge excess power, safety and forgiveness that one may no link to the plane. Apparently the helmet sight for IR missiles was an absolute overkill in close combat. The guy is an ace and Eurofighter test pilot, so no ignorant in modern aircraft.

    Even more so when you consider the changes they made to what was essentially a MiG-29B export to WARSAW PACT allies model, were intended to reduce operational costs like derating the engine etc, when they could have gone with an SMT upgrade to reduce operating costs by 40% without derating the engines, but also greatly increasing internal fuel capacity and the range of weapons it could use.

    The model MiG-29 they had could only use the R-60, the R-73 and the R-27R model AAMs.

    Note it was not compatible with the R-27T IR guided missile nor the longer range R-27ER and ET missiles, let alone R-77...

    The Russian Navy got a choice, either fit a hook to the MiG-35 and call it MiG-35K or wait until the new electronics are mature and fit them into the MiG-29K and call it MiG-29KM.

    I would assume the whole idea of making the MiG-35 carrier capable was to be able to operate it from carriers... which would require folding wings and tail hooks.

    Otherwise what would be the point?
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    Post  Isos on Sun May 20, 2018 10:57 am

    Can the new engines be mounted on mig-35 ? Regarding their size ?
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    Post  Hole on Sun May 20, 2018 10:58 am

    The MiG-35 has the same wing als the MiG-29K, missing the folding mechanism. A shipborne version could easily be developed.

    Isos was talking about the possibility of the MiG-35 to land on a carrier.

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Sun May 20, 2018 2:34 pm

    Isos wrote:Can the new engines be mounted on mig-35 ? Regarding their size ?
    You mean, Su-57 engines on a MiG-35? No way, they are just too big for that.

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