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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  franco on Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:42 am

    In the Yerevan military garrison, servicemen of the unit honored the memory of Hero of Russia, pilot Sulambek Oskanov, who saved civilians from death and led the plane away from the settlement. In conjunction with the armament is a MiG-29SM fighter, on the fuselage of which is named Hero. The command of the military unit on the occasion of the holiday held a "lesson of courage" with a young replenishment.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12154237@egNews

    NOTE: This from the Ministry of Defense website. Apparently they considered the upgraded Mig-29S's sent to Armenia to be SM's.
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    Post  AMCXXL on Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:00 am

    franco wrote:In the Yerevan military garrison, servicemen of the unit honored the memory of Hero of Russia, pilot Sulambek Oskanov, who saved civilians from death and led the plane away from the settlement. In conjunction with the armament is a MiG-29SM fighter, on the fuselage of which is named Hero. The command of the military unit on the occasion of the holiday held a "lesson of courage" with a young replenishment.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12154237@egNews

    NOTE: This from the Ministry of Defense website. Apparently they considered the upgraded Mig-29S's sent to Armenia to be SM's.

    This is not a upgraded MiG-29 , is a 9.13C : RF-92262 https://russianplanes.net/id205603
    This airplane received a MLU in 2016 but Russia dont have modernized any soviet MiG-29
    Se supone que Yerevan irá con un escuadrón MiG-35 para reemplazar el MiG-29, aunque MiG-29SMT también podría ir



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    medo wrote:Su-27SM3 is the same as Su-30M2 and it do air to air and air to ground missions in Syria. RuAF will have around 100 Su-27SM/SM3 in 20 Su-30M2 in armament, so test in Syria are quite important for them. There are clients, which use Su-30MK2 and they will be very interested in real combat experiences. Same is true for foreign Su-27 users, which could be interested in Su-27SM modernization or in Gefest SVP-24-33 upgrade package from Su-33.

    MiG-29SMT experiences are more interesting for foreign MiG-29 users as MiG-29 is not really a backbone of RuAF as they are replaced by Su-30SM and in future with MiG-35.

    Not really true.

    Mig-29 is well known by everyone. No need to proove anything. Those who could have bought the SMT upgrade are India and Algeria. India has something similar so they already know what it can do and Algeria went for Su-30 so its potentiel market doesn't exist anymore.

    Su-27SM3 won't be exported too because Sukhoi offers far better version of Su-30. Look how every countries are going for Su-30/35.

    How many of them Russia has now ? Don't they want to replace all the 27 by 30sm/35. Last time I saw the numbers they had almost more Su-30/35 than 27. SM2 is btw better with the upgrade coming from -35 while SM3 it's an analogue of -30.

    The Su-27SM3 is an intermediate step between the Soviet Su-27 and the Su-35S , all of them the Air Defence fighters.
    Su-30´s are an evolution of Su-27UB two seater for air strike role. In fact in the Navy will have the role of Naval Assault replacing the fighter-bomber Su-24M
    Su-27 are a different concept for different role that Su-30SM , a strike fighter of figther-bomber for the frontal aviation, repalcing the much less capable MiG-29
    Su-30M2 is a combat trainer and probably the final destination is the instrutions bases.

    The only reason why Russia bought a squadron of Su-27SM3 in 2009 (KnAAPO surplus of Chinese Su-27SK contract)  is that the Su-35S production was not ready at this time , and it was needed aircraft for Krymsk before the withdrawal due to obsolescence of almost all aircraft of this base. In fact today only has 14 Su-27SM and 4 Su-27P that have repaired to fill the gap.
    If the Su-35S production had been ready only one year before, Russia would not have one dozen of Su-27SM3 , only Su-35S , at least one dozen more

    Russia will not have 100 Su-27SM/SM3
    there are 46 Su-27SM and only 36 in use at now (3 sq.). Probably the other 10 SM´s will be repaired , and together with the two Su-27SM3 that were prepared in 2013-2014 to cover the accidents of 2 Su-27SM in 2010 and 2011, they will have a fourth  squadron of modernized aircraft, but Russia does not need more.
    In 2020 will have 7 sq, of Su-35 , one of Su-27SM3 and 4 of Su-27SM


    By 2025 the entire Flanker fleet (12 squadrons) will be Su-35S and the Su-27 will be all retired.
    Probably only in the Navy is necesary one more squadron, but with repair one dozen of Su-27P is enough for the moment.


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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:17 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Hmmmmmm Russia could sell the mig-29SMT to anyone it wants it's not limited to your suggestions. And nobody has seen the SMT in action in till now and SMT is much more than normal mig-29. And going by your reasoning that would mean they shouldn't have used su-24, su-25, tu-22m, tu-95, tu-160 as all are well known aircraft. It's pretty simple combat experience is much better than any training and to test the aircraft in desert climate and iron out any issues which it was stated by Russian MOD that Syrian conflict has provided much needed experience which has allowed them to fix any issues.

    Who will buy them ? Algeria rejected them. Most of the other countries that buy russian fighters buy sukhois or are in civil war and won't have money to buy them. That's not mmy suggestion, I am just realistic.

    su-24, su-25, tu-22m, tu-95, tu-160 are bombers so it's normal to use them in big numbers for bombing mission ... Don't use my resoning to make said stupid things like that please.

    I didn't agree with its statement saying it would be nice for potential export clients to see what the mig can do in Syria beccause in my opinion they have no future for export and its a waste of time. They should have bring the prototypes of Mig-35 with the AESA radar if they wanted to show what a mig can do, not the SMT that even the russian air force doesn't want to have...

    But I agree if they send them just to test them it's ok. But if they want to show what they can do for export clients then it's a waste of time. Better show what Su-35 and Mig35 can do. They already sold some to export clients + with some nice results in syria = you find many more clients for them.

    I didn't do anything wrong quoted what you said which was (including spelling mistake )
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    Mig-29 is well known by everyone. No need to proove anything.  "

    There is still plenty of countries looking for cheaper aircraft who have no hope in buying mig-35. Or any other aircraft. Argentina has shown interest for instance. South and central American countries and African countries who are not aligned under the western boot its most likely there only option and I highly doubt mig would turn down any sales of mig-29SMT /M. And I am sure if mig-35 was ready they would have tested but it isn't.  The mig-29SMT is the closest thing to it in Russian arsenal although quite a difference. I still think that they should have tested an armed yak-130 but it's still having some problems and not for Russia's sake but for export market. The mig-29SMT/M and yak-130 fits into a small niche market and Russia wants to be a one stop shop for customers they don't want to lose sales when they have a product for that niche market. Only niche they haven't fulfilled and unlikely to enter is the armed turbo prop but that seems to be dominated by super tucano which is good at what it does. sales taken away from western companies all the better I say. And you have to remember that there's around 15 countries that already use mig-29 that all still have friendly relations with Russia with some of them being african who will face a surge of ISIS shortly. And I wouldn't be surprised if India ends up buying more or buying older migs and upgrading them like they did with Malaysia when the Tejas delay starts effecting it's airforce capability
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  George1 on Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:50 pm

    i wonder if we will have any new MiG-29SMT order for VKS


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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:35 pm

    George1 wrote:i wonder if we will have any new MiG-29SMT order for VKS

    It's been mentioned in the media but I doubt it would be a large number if it happened
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    Post  franco on Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:53 pm

    George1 wrote:i wonder if we will have any new MiG-29SMT order for VKS

    Don't see it with the Mig-35 coming.
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    Post  MC-21 on Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:13 pm

    So lovely aircraft
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  MC-21 on Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:35 pm

    Crews of MiG-29SMT fighters returned to the airfield of permanent basing in the Astrakhan region. The pilots carried out the flight from the airfield of Khmeimim after successful fulfillment of tasks in the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic

    On December 11, Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, addressing servicemen at the airbase of Khmeimim, ordered the Russian Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu to withdraw the Russian group from the Syrian Arab Republic.
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:18 pm

    HMEYMIM (Syria), December 7. /TASS/. Russia’s Mikoyan MiG-29SMT fighter jets successfully fighting terrorists in Syria will test new and promising aircraft weapons, Chief Designer of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Sergei Korotkov said on Thursday.


    MiG military aircraft: 110 years since the birth of Soviet designer Artem Mikoyan
    "The program of developing MiG-29SMT planes will be continued, including for the purpose of checking effective destruction by new and promising armament systems. The experience gained in Syria will be taken into account during the operation of these aircraft, and will also be introduced as part of the work to develop new MiG aviation platforms, including the MiG-35," the chief designer said.
    A batch of MiG-29SMT aircraft was sent to the Hmeymim air base in Syria in September for testing, the chief designer said. Korotkov is heading the UAC’s delegation at the Hmeymim air base to analyze the results of using these aviation complexes in the Russian air task force’s operation in Syria.
    "The participation of new aviation complexes in sorties makes it possible to confirm their reliability and efficiency and assess the operation of onboard radio-electronic equipment and armament," the chief designer said.

    Russia to offer MiG-29 aircraft at Argentina’s tender for fighter jets

    Russia stands by promise to deliver six
    Over two months and a half of their operation, the MiG-29SMTs have carried out over 140 sorties, accomplishing the missions of destroying terrorists’ infrastructure. As the UAC chief designer said, MiG-29SMT aircraft "performed the combat assignments of hitting terrorists’ bases autonomously and also jointly with Su-34 and Su-35 planes." He added that MiG-29SMT had also accomplished missions to escort Tupolev Tu-22M3 strategic missile bombers.
    "The MiG-29SMT has shown mobility and simplicity in operation while demonstrating high combat efficiency. The check of combat capabilities of the modernized MiG-29SMT frontline fighter has confirmed the workability of the regimes of using aircraft bombs, smart bombs and air-to-surface missiles with the accuracies complying with the technical specifications for the aviation complex and also surpassing them," the chief designer said.


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    Post  Luq man on Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:13 am

    Mig-35 production starts Januari 2018.
    https://rg.ru/2017/12/26/reg-cfo/proizvodstvo-mig-35-nachnetsia-v-ianvare.html
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:06 pm

    Luq man wrote:Mig-35 production starts Januari 2018.
    https://rg.ru/2017/12/26/reg-cfo/proizvodstvo-mig-35-nachnetsia-v-ianvare.html

    About time, i wonder what the Russian specs are, maybe that new photonic antenna they've been working on (FGA-35(3D)).
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    Post  Luq man on Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:53 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Luq man wrote:Mig-35 production starts Januari 2018.
    https://rg.ru/2017/12/26/reg-cfo/proizvodstvo-mig-35-nachnetsia-v-ianvare.html

    About time, i wonder what the Russian specs are, maybe that new photonic antenna they've been working on (FGA-35(3D)).

    Lol, let's not get ahead of ourselfs. I think we should be happy if we see the Zhuk-AE fitted into these MiGs. Together with the new targeting pods these jet will have enhanced capabilities. But with (initially) only 24 airframes to be produced, and 8 (or so) of them (likely) destined for the the Swifts aerobatic team, I think these jets will not play a significant role in the Russian Air Force. After the (likely) initial batch of 24 they will probably focus on export orders and the new upcoming MiG-41. Wich is good percpective since Sukhoi dominates the domestic market in fighter production.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:53 pm

    Luq man wrote:Lol, let's not get ahead of ourselfs. I think we should be happy if we see the Zhuk-AE fitted into these MiGs. Together with the new targeting pods these jet will have enhanced capabilities. But with (initially) only 24 airframes to be produced, and 8 (or so) of them (likely) destined for the the Swifts aerobatic team, I think these jets will not play a significant role in the Russian Air Force. After the (likely) initial batch of 24 they will probably focus on export orders and the new upcoming MiG-41. Wich is good percpective since Sukhoi dominates the domestic market in fighter production.

    I very much doubt the acrobatics team would be interested in these aircrafts, they simply don't need them.

    I believe the opposite, there is a need for small capable multi-role fighters and the Mig-35 would fulfill this role to a T.

    Yes, the Mig-41 is definitely a higher priority, luckily development of the new Mig-35 is already done.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:49 pm

    Luq man wrote:Mig-35 production starts Januari 2018.
    https://rg.ru/2017/12/26/reg-cfo/proizvodstvo-mig-35-nachnetsia-v-ianvare.html

    so contract was signed?


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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:18 am

    George1 wrote:
    Luq man wrote:Mig-35 production starts Januari 2018.
    https://rg.ru/2017/12/26/reg-cfo/proizvodstvo-mig-35-nachnetsia-v-ianvare.html

    so contract was signed?

    Apparently yes...at least according to Interfaks which is quoting source from the MIC...also, the mentioned number of 24-30 aircraft might increase according to the source

    Media reports about a possible order of 24-30 MiG-35 spokesman did not comment, noting that "many of the figures in the SAP, adjusted and change over time."

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    Post  medo on Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:35 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/102223/

    MiG Corporation finished modernization of their production plant in Kalyazin in Tver Oblast for serial production of MiG-35 and Il-114. MiG will now be able to produce 36 MiG-35 jets per year. RuAF need around 400 MiG-35 jets and big investment in production modernization show, that RuAF will buy them. No need for production capabilities of 36 jets per year if RuAF will order only 30 jets.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:28 am

    medo wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/102223/

    MiG will now be able to produce 36 MiG-35 jets per year.

    it can't be true.. too optimistic


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    Post  Kimppis on Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:38 am

    "RuAF need around 400 MiG-35 jets..."

    Uhh... Based on what exactly!? No they don't.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:42 pm

    George1 wrote:
    medo wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/102223/

    MiG will now be able to produce 36 MiG-35 jets per year.

    it can't be true.. too optimistic

    The article says it's maximum capacity after the upgrades to the production facilities....unless they suddenly have a boom in orders, I don't think they'll be utilising their full capacity. Also I suspect their suppliers of engines, radars and so on can supply that many at this stage
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:14 am

    Really comes down to this new light 5th gen fighter... if it does not materialise then a few hundred MiG-35s would be useful.

    Regarding production capacity you never book orders with the government to fill your production capacity because once you have it in production you start looking for export customers you can charge twice as much for and make rather bigger profits from.


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    Post  kopyo-21 on Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:43 am

    Bangladesh Air Force will buy Kab-500L laser guided bombs for her Mig-29s. I wonder how & what they use to laser-illuminate the targets?

    Due to ground clearance issue, can new Russian targeting pod attach under the engine intake of old generation of Mig-29s (9-12, 9-13)?

    http://www.defbd.com/bangladesh-defence-procurement/bangladesh-air-force-buying-laser-guided-munitions-for-mig-29/
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:59 am

    Few planes self designate with laser guided weapons even if they are equipped to do so.

    Normally a wingman or other platform will mark the target while the aircraft delivering the munition flys a different path to get optimum flight path for the bomb.


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    Post  kopyo-21 on Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:43 am

    GarryB wrote:Few planes self designate with laser guided weapons even if they are equipped to do so.

    Normally a wingman or other platform will mark the target while the aircraft delivering the munition flys a different path to get optimum flight path for the bomb.
    I wonder that because I have never seen any old generation of Mig-29s with real targeting pod, including Mig-29bm, Mig-29smt & Mig-29upg. In ILA 1998, Mikoyan displayed a Mig-29smt with Thales PDLCT targeting pod in the ventral pylon but that was mockup for display only.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:03 am

    Not just Russia, in Desert Storm The UK had to reactivate an aircraft to do their laser target designating... So they had Buccaneers marking targets for Tornados...


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    Post  kopyo-21 on Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:40 am

    Besides Mig-29s, Bangladesh AF has only 2 other finghters that are Yak-130s and F-7s and non of them can illuminate the laser on targets. Therefore, either her Mig-29s have been upgraded to use targeting pod or the ground force will have to paint the laser on the target for Kab-500L bombs released by Mig-29s or Yak-130.

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