The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

higurashihougi wrote:OK, so what is the definition of an "average European country" ? That "average" is as big as 50% of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts ? "average" means small countries like Denmark, Belgium, Holland ?

Flagship Victory wrote:G7 condemns Russia's annexation of Crimea. Says no lifting of sanctions on Russia until Russia gives Crimea back to Ukraine.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/g7-leaders-condemn-russias-annexation-of-crimea-390572.html

Neutrality wrote:Lenta is reporting about 7 KIA on Ukrops side. They were carrying ammo and drove on an anti-tank mine.

http://lenta.ru/news/2015/06/08/krasnogovorka/

Attrition warfare will do them in.

Khepesh wrote:Accident or partizans? Tank farm burns at Vasilkov south of Kiev

France 24 wrote:G7 warns Russia of more sanctions over Ukraine 'aggression'
Latest update : 2015-06-08

Leaders of the G7 economic powers on Monday warned Russia it would face stepped-up sanctions for its role in the Ukrainian crisis as they wrapped up a summit in Germany that also pledged strong action to fight climate change.

At a luxury retreat nestled in the picture-perfect Bavarian Alps, the leaders of the seven wealthiest developed countries also tackled threats to global security posed by Islamist extremism and risks to the global economy from debt-laden Greece.

For the third time, Kremlin strongman Vladimir Putin was barred from the summit due to what US President Barack Obama termed his “aggression in Ukraine”, as the group of seven Western powers and Japan closed ranks against Russia.

“We ... stand ready to take further restrictive measures in order to increase cost on Russia should its actions so require,” said the leaders in a joint communique after the two-day huddle.

“We recall that the duration of sanctions should be clearly linked to Russia’s complete implementation of the Minsk agreements and respect for Ukraine’s sovereignty,” the leaders added, referring to a peace deal struck in the Belarus capital.

French President François Hollande said the extension of EU sanctions on Russia until the end of the year was "likely".

The tough line from the world’s power brokers came as Ukraine’s defence minister accused pro-Russian rebels—backed by Moscow—of deploying an army of 40,000 men on the Ukrainian border.

The force threatening Kiev was equivalent to that of a “mid-sized European state”, said Stepan Poltorak.

Clashes in recent days between the Ukrainian forces and the separatists have threatened the ceasefire deal thrashed out in Minsk.

Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Canada’s Stephen Harper on Saturday made a point of visiting Kiev on their way to the summit, to voice support for Ukraine’s embattled leaders, as a recent flare-up in fighting in the east has left at least 28 dead.

Sanctions could also be “rolled back” if Russia lived up to its commitments, the communique said.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, hosting the talks, also noted that Russia was involved in resolving several other global crises and called for their “cooperation.” Continue reading.

wrote:Esplora il significato del termine: Vladimir Putin, interview to the Italian newspaper «Il Corriere della Sera»

This is the full transcript of Corriere della Sera’s interview with Vladimir Putin.

Esplora il significato del termine: It’s almost two o’clock in the morning when we get to the end of the interview. Vladimir Putin responded to our questions for just shy of two hours. “Mr. President—asks the editor of Corriere della Sera, Luciano Fontana—is there one thing that you regret more than anything in your life, which you consider an error that you would never again want to repeat?” The Russian president adjusts himself in his chair, and his eyes suddenly seem to sparkle. He remains silent for a few seconds, and then in his thin voice he says softly: “I will be quite frank with you. I cannot recollect anything of the kind. By the grace of God, I have nothing to regret in my life.”
After more than fifteen years leading Russia as President or Prime Minister, after 5,538 days in power, Vladimir Putin does not regret anything. Two girls on the presidential staff welcomed us at the entrance of the Spasskaya Tower, in front of St. Basil’s Cathedral, escorting us inside the walls of the Kremlin to the Palace of the Senate, where Putin’s office is located. The location prepared for the interview was the Predstavitelskij Zal, the same boardroom where Putin received Matteo Renzi in March. It is an oval-shaped space, the walls a pale green, the ceiling domed, the decorations in white stucco and gold. Niches at the corners, the bronze statues of four Russian emperors dominate the scene: Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, Alexander II and Nicholas I. Initially scheduled for 7:00 PM, the beginning of the interview has slipped by hours. Finally, at 11:30 PM, spokesman Dmitry Peshkov arrived. He apologized for the delay, which he attributed to government commitments and told us that the President was ready. Vladimir Putin entered the door in the back. Blue suit, blue shirt, blue tie with printed patterns, cool despite the hour, his face perhaps a bit too polished. He greeted us kindly. Then he invited us to sit. It’s almost two o’clock in the morning when we get to the end of the interview. Vladimir Putin responded to our questions for just shy of two hours. “Mr. President—asks the editor of Corriere della Sera, Luciano Fontana—is there one thing that you regret more than anything in your life, which you consider an error that you would never again want to repeat?” The Russian president adjusts himself in his chair, and his eyes suddenly seem to sparkle. He remains silent for a few seconds, and then in his thin voice he says softly: “I will be quite frank with you. I cannot recollect anything of the kind. By the grace of God, I have nothing to regret in my life.”
After more than fifteen years leading Russia as President or Prime Minister, after 5,538 days in power, Vladimir Putin does not regret anything. Two girls on the presidential staff welcomed us at the entrance of the Spasskaya Tower, in front of St. Basil’s Cathedral, escorting us inside the walls of the Kremlin to the Palace of the Senate, where Putin’s office is located. The location prepared for the interview was the Predstavitelskij Zal, the same boardroom where Putin received Matteo Renzi in March. It is an oval-shaped space, the walls a pale green, the ceiling domed, the decorations in white stucco and gold. Niches at the corners, the bronze statues of four Russian emperors dominate the scene: Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, Alexander II and Nicholas I. Initially scheduled for 7:00 PM, the beginning of the interview has slipped by hours. Finally, at 11:30 PM, spokesman Dmitry Peshkov arrived. He apologized for the delay, which he attributed to government commitments and told us that the President was ready. Vladimir Putin entered the door in the back. Blue suit, blue shirt, blue tie with printed patterns, cool despite the hour, his face perhaps a bit too polished. He greeted us kindly. Then he invited us to sit. Continue reading.

Life News wrote:Павел Губарев задержан за стрельбу из снайперской винтовки в Донецке
Pavel Gubarev was arrested for shooting a sniper rifle in Donetsk
June 8, 2015 22:33

According to information from the environment of the former governor of People's Donbass, with him detained about 15 people.

In Donetsk, from an empty office building SkyCity unknown opened fire, presumably, one of the military units of the army DNI. Representatives of the Ministry of State Security DNI went to the scene, blocked the street Artem and surrounded the building. When sweep managed to detain about 15 people, including Paul Gubarev.

As BelTA LifeNews militia involved in the arrest, unknown fired several shots, presumably because of the SVD. However, so far only managed to find the gun.

All detained persons involved in the investigation will be law enforcement DNI. Now they sent for a medical examination for intoxication. Continue reading.

Yahoo wrote:Famed Soviet children's camp in Crimea reopens
AFP By Marina Lapenkova June 7, 2015 7:46 AM

Gurzuf (AFP) - It was once the summer destination for the brightest and best of Soviet children but it slipped into disuse and decay after the Socialist empire crumbled.

Now, however, showpiece holiday camp Artek in Crimea has reopened under Russian control after Moscow grabbed the Black Sea peninsula from Ukraine -- and it is once again aiming to shape a new generation.

In an idyllic setting of cypress trees, magnolias and seven kilometres (about four miles) of pebble beaches, Artek welcomed only the cream of the Communist youth organisations, the Young Pioneers and the Komsomol, aged from 10 to around 17 .

After the end of the Soviet Union, the camp was taken over by Ukraine's independent authorities but gradually fell into disrepair.

But that all changed after the Kremlin seized the region from Kiev last year -- and now 20,000 young Russians are set to holiday here this summer.

First opened in 1925 on Lenin's suggestion, the Russian government is now pumping some $410 million (365 million rubles) to refurbish the camp between now and 2020. Continue reading.

Yahoo wrote:History becomes a weapon in Russia-West rift over Ukraine
Reuters By Jason Bush 6 hours ago

By Jason Bush

MOSCOW (Reuters) - History has become a weapon in Russia's battle with the West over Ukraine as President Vladimir Putin looks increasingly to the past to whip up patriotism and rally support.

Last month's lavish commemorations of the defeat of Nazi Germany in World War Two, several declarations by Putin and new history textbooks have all presented what some independent historians say are slanted or rewritten versions of the past.

The Nazi-Soviet pact that divided Poland in 1939 - which saw Moscow seize much of what is now Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltic States - is now seen in a positive light. A new justification has been found for the Soviet-led invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 and some of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin's worst crimes have been played down.

"It is an aggressive stance in the debate over history," said Alexei Miller, a history Professor at European University in St Petersburg, who says all sides have been distorting the past during the conflict. "History is a victim of the current crisis in relations between Russia and Europe."

He says "wars of memory" are being waged with the West and ex-Soviet neighbors such as the Baltic states and Ukraine, where history is increasingly being interpreted in different ways to suit political views. Continue reading.

RuptlyTV wrote:Ukraine: Buildings destroyed in overnight bombardment on Oktyabrsky village

Алексей Петров wrote:Victims residents. w / m Kurganka Gorlovka

Interviews with the residents w / m Kurganka Gorlovka

The shelling w / m Kurganka Gorlovka 08/06/15

BuTaJIuK NaPaLm wrote:The train is moving towards Mines

Алексей Владимирович wrote:North Crimean Canal FSE ... Putin Pamagite ...

Радио Свобода wrote:Kiev has accused the separatists to undermine the boat under Mariupol

kvs wrote:There is no comparison between Russia and Ukraine in terms of Maidan style coups.   Ukraine had its populace
brainwashed over the last 25 years into hating Russia and dreaming some BS EU dream.   Ukraine had about
40% of its population in the west being pathologically anti-Russian and seeing any any government
that was not a NATO bootlick as equivalent to Russian occupation.

Russia has about 15% liberast minority that is only 5% hard core.   But they are not Right Sector hoodlums but
dissident professors and journalists.   These people will not be staging any Maidan.  They need to act through
dupes who demonstrate.   But the chances of them getting 100,000 people out on the streets of Moscow these
days are nil.

Washington was hoping there would be an oligarch coup against Putin.   These idiots are a day late and a dollar
short.   Such shenanigans would only happen 20 years ago.   After 2004 they have no chance.

Erk wrote:

kvs wrote:There is no comparison between Russia and Ukraine in terms of Maidan style coups.   Ukraine had its populace
brainwashed over the last 25 years into hating Russia and dreaming some BS EU dream.   Ukraine had about
40% of its population in the west being pathologically anti-Russian and seeing any any government
that was not a NATO bootlick as equivalent to Russian occupation.

Russia has about 15% liberast minority that is only 5% hard core.   But they are not Right Sector hoodlums but
dissident professors and journalists.   These people will not be staging any Maidan.  They need to act through
dupes who demonstrate.   But the chances of them getting 100,000 people out on the streets of Moscow these
days are nil.

Washington was hoping there would be an oligarch coup against Putin.   These idiots are a day late and a dollar
short.   Such shenanigans would only happen 20 years ago.   After 2004 they have no chance.

There is little to stop the "brainwashed" Ukrainians from crossing into Russia to fuel a Maidan, complete with "Right Sector hoodlums".

sepheronx wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:G7 condemns Russia's annexation of Crimea. Says no lifting of sanctions on Russia until Russia gives Crimea back to Ukraine.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/g7-leaders-condemn-russias-annexation-of-crimea-390572.html

Well, I guess that is that then. Russia doesnt need to conform to anything with western Europe.

If Russia gave up Crimea, that would be it for Russia. So they wont do it, and EU/US knows that.

Khepesh wrote:Pavel Gubarev and 15 others arrested in Donetsk. Apparently in an empty office building from where there was shooting from an SVD. Report says they are being tested to see if they are drunk. This sounds like some BS, on various levels. I notice the office building is on Artemovskaya where it has been reported that shells have landed, tho this would have been after the presumed arrest of Gubarev. Strange news going on...
http://lifenews.ru/news/155318

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Pavel Gubarev and 15 others arrested in Donetsk. Apparently in an empty office building from where there was shooting from an SVD. Report says they are being tested to see if they are drunk. This sounds like some BS, on various levels. I notice the office building is on Artemovskaya where it has been reported that shells have landed, tho this would have been after the presumed arrest of Gubarev. Strange news going on...
http://lifenews.ru/news/155318

It is strange news going on..

(Thanks for all y'all posts....I pulled a muscle in my back last Thursday so haven't nmuch felt like sitting in a chair and posting at computer.)

kvs wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Pavel Gubarev and 15 others arrested in Donetsk. Apparently in an empty office building from where there was shooting from an SVD. Report says they are being tested to see if they are drunk. This sounds like some BS, on various levels. I notice the office building is on Artemovskaya where it has been reported that shells have landed, tho this would have been after the presumed arrest of Gubarev. Strange news going on...
http://lifenews.ru/news/155318

It is strange news going on..

(Thanks for all y'all posts....I pulled a muscle in my back last Thursday so haven't nmuch felt like sitting in a chair and posting at computer.)

It is good to get away from the chair in front of the computer.   Get well soon.