The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

flamming_python wrote:

franco wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Some intriguing information from Odessa oblast. I cannot directly link to the source, so it is believed or not believed, doesn't matter.
However, it is reported from multiple residents of Kotovsk, almost on the border of Transnistria, https://maps.yandex.ru/?ll=29.556557%2C47.741481&z=11&l=map that ukrops seem to be making war preperations. An influx of troops is reported within the last week and heading towards the border, that convoys of covered trucks have been seen driving about and on early morning of 26 May at Kotovsk railway station tanks of unspecified type, MSTA-S and badly disguised BUK were unloaded. It is reported by other residents that medical officers had been at Kotovsk hospital and were clearly judging it's capabilities and even measuring wards to see now many extra beds could be fitted in. This may be all imagination or not, interesting if true.

And America then will have it's European war.

IF the Ukraine attacks Pridnestrovie, it will receive such fking pizdy, that it can't even be imagined.

Pridnestrovie is garrisoned with Russian peacekeepers; who are regulars of the Russian armed forces. If they're attacked, Russia can and will respond with military force.

The same reaction if they target a Russian troop transport on its way over Ukrainian airspace. Which is probably what those BUKs and S-300Ps are for. But it won't help them; will just result in the annihilation of Ukrainian forces in the region and a drastic escelation of the conflict.

And we know they will do it, as they have already done the same in Georgia.

I think Maidan is testing the waters. If Maidan attacks Transnistria and Russia offers no response, then Maidan would attack Donbas.

Flagship Victory wrote:I  think Maidan is testing the waters. If Maidan attacks Transnistria and Russia offers no response, then Maidan would attack Donbas.

So they are basically playing Russian Roulette.

Flagship Victory wrote:I  think Maidan is testing the waters. If Maidan attacks Transnistria and Russia offers no response, then Maidan would attack Donbas.

Umm, if Maidan attacks Transnistria, the response will be far harsher (and very much official) than any response that the Maidan will get (and has been getting) for attacking the Donbass, which is de-jure Ukrainian territory.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:I  think Maidan is testing the waters. If Maidan attacks Transnistria and Russia offers no response, then Maidan would attack Donbas.

So they are basically playing Russian Roulette.

Hmmm. Two front war, surging east from Transnistria and west from Novorossiya.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:I  think Maidan is testing the waters. If Maidan attacks Transnistria and Russia offers no response, then Maidan would attack Donbas.

So they are basically playing Russian Roulette.

Yeah, with shotgun instead of revolver...

Or, Maidan could be warning Russia. If Russia sends troops to help Donbas when Maidan launches attack on Donbas, then Maidan and Moldova would pincer invade Transnistria. This way, Maidan can take Donbas without Russia interfering.

However, methinks Maidan underestimates Russian resolve. The Russian air force based in Sevastopol can blow Maidan out of the water.

Flagship Victory wrote:Or, Maidan could be warning Russia. If Russia sends troops to help Donbas when Maidan launches attack on Donbas, then Maidan and Moldova would pincer invade Transnistria. This way, Maidan can take Donbas without Russia interfering.

What makes you think that Moldova even wants to be part of this mess?
One way or the other Kiev is doomed no matter where they start their collective suicide....

Flagship Victory wrote:Or, Maidan could be warning Russia. If Russia sends troops to help Donbas when Maidan launches attack on Donbas, then Maidan and Moldova would pincer invade Transnistria. This way, Maidan can take Donbas without Russia interfering.

Then they would play with fire (literally) not only with fully geared Russian troops but also with completely losing US/EU support. The Europeans said they are afraid of a regional conflict on the European mainland. Well let's see what their reaction will be when the regime they support, starts a full blown aggression against an innocent country.

Moldova has an Army of 3,250 and 0 tanks. Against 1500 Russian soldiers and a reported 4500 Transnistrers with 70 tanks. Ukraine would have to do the fighting. By the way 29% of the population are Ukrainians.

Attacking Transnistria; stupid is as stupid does.

Sorry guys but even kiev isnt retarded enough to attack transnistria.

Porky may be full of lies, hypocrisy, double standards and may be useless as a leader but he isnt a buffoon. I dont think he is preparing to become a tie eater mark 2.

The idea of him and his cronies is to cling onto power as long as possible to fleece ukraine for everything they can. He knows eventually his kind will be forced out so he will make the most of the time he has, theres no way he will throw it all away instantly by doing something so stupid.

If glasses bastard was the president though, i dread to think what he would have done. Probably we would see Zakharchenko doing w victory parade on the maidan by now.

franco wrote:Moldova has an Army of 3,250 and 0 tanks. Against 1500 Russian soldiers and a reported 4500 Transnistrers with 70 tanks. Ukraine would have to do the fighting. By the way 29% of the population are Ukrainians.  

It's not like those Ukrainians with non-Ukrainian passports aren't pissed by Kiev's crackdown on smuggling to welcome UAF with open arms.

whir wrote:

gregoire wrote:Moody is soon to be irrelevant in the case of Russia and China and maybe even some others.

Meanwhile it is going to be used to scare investors by putting Russia one step above Ukraine in an attempt to raise the cost for Moscow.

All this Moody and other so called "rating agencies" is doing Negative Press on Russia
for the only purpose than to create doubts and confusion on investors on Russia economy.
so is effectively information war..

Rodinazombie wrote:Sorry guys but even kiev isnt retarded enough to attack transnistria.

Porky may be full of lies, hypocrisy, double standards and may be useless as a leader but he isnt a buffoon. I dont think he is preparing to become a tie eater mark 2.

It's not a secret that the Odessa-Tiraspol businessmen caste is not fond of Maidan and that has attracted Kiev's attention so the use of force to eliminate competition is not that out of the picture although very unlikely.

Rodinazombie wrote:Sorry guys but even kiev isnt retarded enough to attack transnistria.

Porky may be full of lies, hypocrisy, double standards and may be useless as a leader but he isnt a buffoon. I dont think he is preparing to become a tie eater mark 2.

The idea of him and his cronies is to cling onto power as long as possible to fleece ukraine for everything they can. He knows eventually his kind will be forced out so he will make the most of the time he has, theres no way he will throw it all away instantly by doing something so stupid.

If glasses bastard was the president though, i dread to think what he would have done. Probably we would see Zakharchenko doing w victory parade on the maidan by now.

Perhaps Porky just wants to force Russia to violate Ukrainian air space?

PapaDragon wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:I  think Maidan is testing the waters. If Maidan attacks Transnistria and Russia offers no response, then Maidan would attack Donbas.

So they are basically playing Russian Roulette.

Yeah, with shotgun instead of revolver...

more like flamethrower.

Gorlovka - The funeral procession - Yuri and Katja Tuv

"Tell poroshenko he's scum", people in the crowd of funeral mourners in Gorlovka shout at me today

https://ukdissident.wordpress.com/2015/05/28/latest-combat-reports-from-donbass-28-may-2015/


LATEST COMBAT REPORTS FROM DONBASS – 28 MAY 2015
May 28, 2015

UPDATE 19:00 LT: Near Lugansk City, the Militia Air Defence unit shot down a Ukrainian UAV — Militia Source — Official Confirmed!

UPDATE 19:00 LT: Combat in progress near Kyivskyi district of Donetsk City. Ukrainian Army shelled the area 5-7 times using 122mm shells

UPDATE 19:00 LT: Combat in progress at Donetsk Airport & Lugansk region. Artillery used. 1 militia soldier wounded-in-action. Militia Source

UPDATE 18:00 LT: Yesterday at Lugansk, 1 militia soldier was killed-in-action by Ukrainian Forces — Militia Source — Official Confirmed

UPDATE 18:00 LT: Around 12 drones sighted over Spartak, Gorlovka, Pesky and Avdiivka. Militia Air Defence operational to bring down UAVs

UPDATE 18:00 LT: Heavy combat in progress at Shyrokyne. Ukrainian Army using 122mm self-propelled guns, mortars, machine guns & small arms

UPDATE 09:45 LT: Under attack now by the Ukrainian Army is Donetsk City and Donetsk Airport — Militia Source — Confirmed!

UPDATE 09:45 LT: Under attack Dokuchaievsk, Gorlovka, Debaltsevo, Nikolaevka, Shyrokyne, Spartak, Lozove, Kalinovka, Novogrigorovka, Sahanka

UPDATE 09:30 LT: Ukrainian Army shelling Debaltseve City using using tanks, mortars and small arms — Militia Source — Official Confirmed

UPDATE 09:30 LT: Heavy fighting in the Lugansk region near Happiness and Sokolniki. Ukrainian Army using tanks, APC, AGS and 80mm mortars

UPDATE 09:30 LT: Ukrainian sabotage groups active in Donbass, hitting military and civilian targets. Civilians fired on at Marinka. Militia

UPDATE 09:30 LT: At Pesky huge amount of Ukrainian soldiers and weaponry stationed. Each day UAF moving soldiers and weaponry to the front

UPDATE 09:00 LT: Ukrainian Army suffered serious losses in Lugansk Region. Around 40-45 soldiers wounded, 4 soldiers KIA. Militia, Confirmed

UPDATE 09:00 LT: Ukrainian Army used tank attacks 11 times, APC attacks 4 times, mortar attacks 21 times, grenade launchers 13 times

UPDATE 09:00 LT: Ukrainian Army broke Minsk ceasefire in Lugansk region at least 47 times by using all types of weapons. Militia Source. NAF

Cowboy's daughter wrote:"Tell poroshenko he's scum"

We should add Obama and some others to the list.

higurashihougi wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:"Tell poroshenko he's scum"

We should add Obama and some others to the list.

It's a long list. And all are equally guilty.

Rodinazombie wrote:Sorry guys but even kiev isnt retarded enough to attack transnistria.

Porky may be full of lies, hypocrisy, double standards and may be useless as a leader but he isnt a buffoon. I dont think he is preparing to become a tie eater mark 2.

The idea of him and his cronies is to cling onto power as long as possible to fleece ukraine for everything they can. He knows eventually his kind will be forced out so he will make the most of the time he has, theres no way he will throw it all away instantly by doing something so stupid.

If glasses bastard was the president though, i dread to think what he would have done. Probably we would see Zakharchenko doing w victory parade on the maidan by now.

I truthfully agree, there is no way that Porky's Western handlers would want to give Russia a legitimate reason to burn down the entire country. Besides, there is no knowing how Moldova would react as they themselves are very torn between Russia and the EU mostly represented by Romania there. After Debaltsevo, I would have trouble believing that Poroshenko isn't rightfully afraid of the rebels and he would know that the Russian Military is a whole different animal.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:I  think Maidan is testing the waters. If Maidan attacks Transnistria and Russia offers no response, then Maidan would attack Donbas.

So they are basically playing Russian Roulette.

Yeah, with shotgun instead of revolver...

more like flamethrower.

More like the entire Russian Military.

Two shots, if the first try goes south, then the entire Russian military will unleash its full potential on those poor bastards. Or if Ukraine somehow gets a second shot, then a "hurricane" from the East will rain fire and blow the rebels to the Golden Gate of Kiev if not further.

Erk wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Sorry guys but even kiev isnt retarded enough to attack transnistria.

Porky may be full of lies, hypocrisy, double standards and may be useless as a leader but he isnt a buffoon. I dont think he is preparing to become a tie eater mark 2.

The idea of him and his cronies is to cling onto power as long as possible to fleece ukraine for everything they can. He knows eventually his kind will be forced out so he will make the most of the time he has, theres no way he will throw it all away instantly by doing something so stupid.

If glasses bastard was the president though, i dread to think what he would have done. Probably we would see Zakharchenko doing w victory parade on the maidan by now.

Perhaps Porky just wants to force Russia to violate Ukrainian air space?

Thats more more plausable. Porky may try to enforce a blockade of transistria, and when russia flies into ukrainian airspace, he can play the 'russian aggression' card and shoot it down. That would force russia to escalate and with it bring more western money and support to kiev, with more sanctions against russia.

It still seems a tad far fetched though and extremely risky for porky but its much more plausable than kiev carrying out an unprovoked attack on transistria. In this situation ukraine can play the victim card whilst shooting down a russian aircraft.


Ps, when i say its far fetched, a lot of stuff has occured over the past year that i wouldnt have predicted in a million years, so i guess i shouldnt close my mind to anything in this war.

The plot thickens...

The Insider via Google Translate wrote:Голова прикордонників заявляє про військову загрозу з Придністров'я
Head guards said the military threat from Transnistria

28 MAY 201522:33

State Border Service said the military threat from the unrecognized Transnistrian Moldovan Republic.

In an interview with "Channel 5" said the chairman of the State Border Service Viktor Nazarenko.

"The threat from Transnistria is both military and, say, technology-border ... We believe that this area is threatening about border security," - he said.

This Nazarenko emphasized that the military threat in this part of the frontier is much smaller than the eastern frontier.

Much more significant is the problem for border smuggling from Transnistria food and illegal activities of local residents.
Also difficult in terms of border security at the north and south areas of the border. Continue reading.