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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue May 19, 2015 1:47 am

    flamming_python wrote:The more they hate Putin - the more I support him cheers

    The Western oligarchial elite is the personification of evil for me, so whoever they hate must be doing something right.

    +1 could not put it any better myself...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Neutrality on Tue May 19, 2015 1:53 am

    VSU started shelling Donetsk Airport.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Flagship Victory on Tue May 19, 2015 1:58 am

    Neutrality wrote:VSU started shelling Donetsk Airport.

    NAF response fire?


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  George1 on Tue May 19, 2015 2:06 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:VSU started shelling Donetsk Airport.

    What is VSU?

    Armed Forces of Ukraine

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Flagship Victory on Tue May 19, 2015 2:07 am

    George1 wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:VSU started shelling Donetsk Airport.

    What is VSU?

    Armed Forces of Ukraine

    thumbsup

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Vann7 on Tue May 19, 2015 2:29 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:In retrospect it would have been better if Strelkov never went to Donbass.

    People of Donbass would have to live under the Kiev regime, but at least they would not be shelled each and every day. Their homes would not be wrecked. Their children would not be killed. Their economy would not be as ruins as it is now.
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    I don't think so..
    IF Kiev was not shelling Donbass and no revolution there.. they will have been shelling Crimea instead. The armed rebellion in eastern ukraine , force kiev to negotiate and restore democracy if ever they want to take control of the territories. The whole revolution in kiev.. its ultimate
    game was Russia.. to provoke Russia into a war with Ukraine.. so they will have managed to do it
    one way or another.. with concentration camps of Russians etc.. The war in donbass delays
    Kiev provocations and force them to focus in retaking the cities first and it also damage its economy. The more poorer and bankrupt Ukraine is.. the less control the west will have on them.. and more likely possibility of a nation wide revolution and split of kiev.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Erk on Tue May 19, 2015 2:36 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:In retrospect it would have been better if Strelkov never went to Donbass.

    People of Donbass would have to live under the Kiev regime, but at least they would not be shelled each and every day. Their homes would not be wrecked. Their children would not be killed. Their economy would not be as ruins as it is now.
    .

    I don't think so..
    IF Kiev was not shelling Donbass and no revolution there.. they will have been shelling Crimea instead. The armed rebellion in eastern ukraine , force kiev to negotiate and restore democracy if ever they want to take control of the territories.  The whole revolution in kiev.. its ultimate
    game was Russia.. to provoke Russia into a war with Ukraine.. so they will have managed to do it
    one way or another.. with concentration camps of Russians etc..  The war in donbass delays
    Kiev provocations and force them to focus in retaking the cities first and it also damage its economy.    The more poorer and bankrupt Ukraine is.. the less control the west will have on them.. and more likely possibility of a nation wide revolution and split of kiev.

    All Kiev have to do is start shelling Crimea and they will be at war with Russia. Shelling Donbass is not the same, it's unlikely to provoke war with Russia.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  sepheronx on Tue May 19, 2015 2:41 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:But, maybe this is the plan. To make putsch make the first move, launch offensive. Maybe these two allowed to be captured, then Russia withdraws troops from Donbas. Putsch thinks now is the best time to attack, goes for it, then boom, Russia militarily intervenes and saves the day. One can always hope. cheers

    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-live-day-455-crimean-tatars-mark-71st-anniversary-of-stalins-deportation/

    This interpreter news site you use is some sort of Kiev mouthpiece, cause I read about the whole Tatar peaceful movement or whatever and it was a Russian bashing shitload article.  They didn't provide a shred of evidence to any of their claims but just words and a single picture of a guy holding a flag.

    Man this is getting beyond ridiculous.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Zivo on Tue May 19, 2015 2:51 am

    Why the hell are people posting shit from The Interpreter? confused

    It's a mouthpiece for The Institute of Modern Russia, which is a think tank based out of New York run by Pavel Khodorkovsky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky's genetic spawn.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue May 19, 2015 3:13 am

    Because it suits the agenda of the trolls.....sorry, I meant "mega patriots"

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Flagship Victory on Tue May 19, 2015 3:35 am

    Erk wrote:All Kiev have to do is start shelling Crimea and they will be at war with Russia. Shelling Donbass is not the same, it's unlikely to provoke war with Russia.

    Is putsch exempt from heavy weapons ban under Minsk 2? confused

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Erk on Tue May 19, 2015 4:05 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Erk wrote:All Kiev have to do is start shelling Crimea and they will be at war with Russia. Shelling Donbass is not the same, it's unlikely to provoke war with Russia.

    Is putsch exempt from heavy weapons ban under Minsk 2? confused

    Minsk2 doesn't cover Crimea.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  sepheronx on Tue May 19, 2015 4:26 am

    Erk wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Erk wrote:All Kiev have to do is start shelling Crimea and they will be at war with Russia. Shelling Donbass is not the same, it's unlikely to provoke war with Russia.

    Is putsch exempt from heavy weapons ban under Minsk 2? confused

    Minsk2 doesn't cover Crimea.

    When he says Putsch, he is talking about Kiev, not Putin.

    Anyway:

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150518/1022292491.html

    They don't indicate that these guys are ex special forces, but the organization has demanded that Moscow applies pressure on Kiev for the return of these guys, and indicate that the guys have been tortured. If true, Russia needs to put heavy pressure on Kiev.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Vann7 on Tue May 19, 2015 5:28 am

    See how much American tax dollars goes to the Ukie Government.. to encourage
    its Hostile Stance against Russia and criminal war against eastern ukraine..

    The former Ukrainian defense minister.. ex-Minister of Defense of Ukraine
    Valery Geletey ...



    Who began the war against Donetsk and Lugansk and had the blood of thousands civilians
    women and children ,shelling schools ,churches ,hospitals.. etc.. recently bough in UK
    a mansion valued in $ 36 Millions!!!!!!!!! and the bastard not even deny it.. he say
    it was a gift of ukrainian oligarchs..  Rolling Eyes

    Did anyone know of any billionaire in the world who will give a way $36 millions dollars
    to anyone for admiration?   even after costing the life of thousands civilians women and childrens.. but also thousands of Ukrainian army lives  in such illegal war ?

    Is that is not corruption ,no idea what is then...
    This is how American government through its US congress USAID and pentagon funding
    controls Ukraine.. All this people from Poroshenko to Yatsenut ,to the Right Sector.. are receiving its leaders big money , in the millions for their criminal war against pro Russian civilians ,women and children.


    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/05/ukrainian-conscripts-revolt-at-lvov.html

    It was reported before the Euromaidans were paid $100 per day jumping in kiev and the leaders
    up to $2,000 per day.. many of the so Nuland-nazis" have become very rich ,thanks to their promotion of the war in Ukraine.   Poor Ukrainians teachers need to live with $100 a month..
    and their Government in kiev earn $millions per month for doing anything what US want of them.. Only way Ukraine will Fix.. is by collapsing its economy and get millions on the streets
    in the mother of all revolutions and take kiev back from Americans and kick Poroshenko and all the CIAnazis from ukraine and restore democracy.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  kvs on Tue May 19, 2015 5:47 am

    Vann7 wrote:See how much American tax dollars goes to the Ukie Government.. to encourage
    its Hostile Stance against Russia and criminal war against eastern ukraine..

    The former Ukrainian defense minister.. ex-Minister of Defense of Ukraine
    Valery Geletey ...



    Who began the war against Donetsk and Lugansk and had the blood of thousands civilians
    women and children ,shelling schools ,churches ,hospitals.. etc.. recently bough in UK
    a mansion valued in $ 36 Millions!!!!!!!!! and the bastard not even deny it.. he say
    it was a gift of ukrainian oligarchs..  Rolling Eyes

    Did anyone know of any billionaire in the world who will give a way $36 millions dollars
    to anyone for admiration?   even after costing the life of thousands civilians women and childrens.. but also thousands of Ukrainian army lives  in such illegal war ?

    Is that is not corruption ,no idea what is then...
    This is how American government through its US congress USAID and pentagon funding
    controls Ukraine.. All this people from Poroshenko to Yatsenut ,to the Right Sector.. are receiving its leaders big money , in the millions for their criminal war against pro Russian civilians ,women and children.


    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/05/ukrainian-conscripts-revolt-at-lvov.html

    It was reported before the Euromaidans were paid $100 per day jumping in kiev and the leaders
    up to $2,000 per day.. many of the so Nuland-nazis" have become very rich ,thanks to their promotion of the war in Ukraine.   Poor Ukrainians teachers need to live with $100 a month..
    and their Government in kiev earn $millions per month for doing anything what US want of them..  Only way Ukraine will Fix.. is by collapsing its economy and get millions on the streets
    in the mother of all revolutions and take kiev back from Americans and kick Poroshenko and all the CIAnazis from ukraine and restore democracy.

    I hope they wake up, but I am afraid their brains are damaged by the propaganda they were fed since 1991.
    They have the moskal derangement syndrome. All of Ukraine's problems are Russia's fault. So all of their
    persona problems are Russia's fault. Maybe the impoverished children of the current generation of brain
    damaged idiots will rebel in the future. But the current generation appears to me to be a lost cause.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Osobist on Tue May 19, 2015 5:58 am

    sepheronx wrote:Hmm, they got caught too easily if they are ex gru. Standards dropped?

    Anyway, hopefully they are returned. They will probably ask for their pilot back.

    Russian spec ops opperated very well in Georgia. Now it doesnt confirm if these guys are actually ex GRU byt the associates from special forces veterans asking for them back is good indication.

    Wonder if they will get them back or use them as a continuous media parade.

    SpN GRU is not some magic handpicked ninjas, but quite a mass product (they have brigades - hint) in western world they probably correspond to USMC Force Recon - pretty grunty types tho with better training invested in them compared to a regular Marine. For the operator operating operashunz types you probably need to look towards Vympel or SSO guys.

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