The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

TR1 wrote:Run out as in no readily available ones.

Most of the stored vehicles are in...dire shape...to put mildly.

Pointless to send T-62s when you have so many T-72s laying around.

Recently they captured a lot of T-80's when they took Crimea. Why not hand those over? I imagine they are in better condition and better in performance anyway than the T-62's. But it is true, a lot of T-72's available.

You are mixing up T-64Bs and T-80s.

They got T-64s in Crimea. But they handed most of them over back to Ukraine before the conflict heated up.

TR1 wrote:
Eventually they ran out of T-64s to hand over and said "fuck it" and went with T-72s. And BTR-82s, Strelas, Nona, Kornet, etc etc etc.

But thats not the way it works dude.. The RUssian Government do not want more sanctions ,
it care so much about its economy , that forced the rebels to be happy with an Autonomy and give up for the moment its independence dreams..

Sending Weapons without any hiding ,could only help the west in their propaganda that the
Russian armed forces are inside.. and that could help kiev , use that as a propaganda tool..
not only showing Russian Army is inside.. but that Soldiers are being killed in the many thousands . and there People will start to protest in Russia main cities demanding Russian soldiers to return. .. And this will also have a negative effect in Russia economy..

In short is not the way it works.. This is not about emotions as you believe.. Putin have given
enough evidence already he is never driven by emotions.. but by effective policy that could
allow Russia to avoid being isolated by US from Europe.  See?  

The marks on a tank that says "death to Aidar" in what way it proof it was in Ukraine? even if it was real the marks?  If they wrote Death to America.. will you still claim blindly is proof Russia invaded America?  

I don't think Russia will send equipment to Ukraine ,that NATO could capture and not only use it
not only against the kremlin for provoke unrest in Russia about "thousands Russian soldiers killed" .. but to steal its technology and understand exactly what kind of weapons and defense capabilities Russia have.. its Domestic weapons..  which are different to exports.

If Russia wanted to send tanks ,they will send tanks of Crimea.. with reinforced protection..and electronics to keep a low profile but not a tank that can easily expose Russia. "Death to aidar"
markings is not a proof the tank was ever in Ukraine at all. and if it was photoshoped even less .

Blah blah blah.



And I never said those "Death to Aidar" tanks were in Ukraine when that photo was taken.

Christ, are you too stupid to even read properly?

I am sure this damage was from friendly fire during training.

Wait, who am I kidding. You did not even know what a T-72B3 was before I educated you on it.
Add another "special child" to my ignore list.

Wonder where these brand new Nona-Ks came from...hmmm.

Have not seen any proof rebels captured any from Ukrainians. Or that the Ukrainians ever operated them in Donbass.

In this case the crews might actually be rebels though.

Unlike those fully regular Russian tank crews .

TR1 wrote:Blah blah blah.



And I never said those "Death to Aidar" tanks were in Ukraine when that photo was taken.

Christ, are you too stupid to even read properly?

A tank with Marks.. that mention Death to Aidar.. does NOT proof the tanks were in Ukraine
or ever visited it...  You have shown no irefutable evidence that T-72b3 tanks from Russian army have crossed the border and went to Ukraine.  Only photos that you don't know where is the location or who are the soldiers.. or when it was taken.. etc etc etc..  

IF Russia was sending Tanks left and right in so obvious way ,to expose them ,then why Poroshenko only shows Civilian passports of Russian citizens as "Evidence" of "Russian invasion"? You make too many assumptions with circunstancial evidence.  I never said Russia is not helping the rebels.. i cannot imagine they to sit down and do nothing..

THe whole point that almost everyone in the forum is again and again telling you ,but you dont get it.. is that Russia will not sending  things that can easily expose them helping the rebels so they get more sanctions..  Specially when Russia could easily send Tanks from Crimea ,that were in possesion of the Ukrainian army.. and reinforce them , so the protection they can offer is in no way inferior  to the T-72b3 which is the tank in question.. that will allow Russia to remain undercover..   otherwise why Russia will deny is helping ,if they later will make no effort to hide their help?  


We already saw the "Evidence" of the west so called BUKS missiles that Russia supposedly sent to rebels , and it turned to be a city under control of Ukrainian army where the photo was taken..and debunked and have seen a lot of fakes..

What is clear for me TR1.. is that definitively there is something wrong with you .. in siding
with the west in the anti Russian propaganda over the conflict in Ukraine.. and trying to proof "Russian aggression" on Ukraine and complain how Russia invaded a "legitimate nation" ,and violating international laws ,right after Yahunovych was overthrow and the ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians pro Russia began.
For you the problem is never the genocide of civilians women and children ,or the burning of them alive..neither that a democratic Government was overthrow by your lovely "freedom nation.." using violence and terror.. but that Russia invaded Ukraine.No offense dude,but Your moral compass and values are really out of touch with reality.. Is like you are brainwashed by the western freedom loving propaganda.

Is it possible to make a T-72abc to have a similar appearance to T-72B3 ?

higurashihougi wrote:Is it possible to make a T-72abc to have a similar appearance to T-72B3 ?

There are a big Repair center of Tanks in rebels controls.. even VICE channel reported recently about it.. they repair light tanks and any tank captured from kiev. It will be very easy for Russia to send fresh new tank parts to the rebels (and munition) with mechanics in civilian cars to eastern ukraine to not only repair the tanks but reinforce them with better reactive armor.. night vision and other things..etc..

By the way.. will have been nice if TR1 posted photo of graham philips with a column of T-72s ,if he don't forget to mention that Graham told ,those were captured tanks of the ukraine army.. and uploaded the next video . technically speaking NATO with the help of Ukraine do have full capabilities to Upgrade a T-72 with the ones they have in Europe and upgrade it to
T-72b3 or something similar . France or any other NATO nation with license can provide the thermals of thales. no problem. the west can be master of deception and we saw that in 9/11.

Looks ideal for a false flag , with civilians killed and later blaming Russia for it.. because
Russia is the "Only one" with those tanks.. So people have been warned already.. with a false
flag with those tanks.. used against civilians..

Graham posted the next video . Notice here the double line white markings.. which are very classical in all Ukraine tanks markings. proof that the tank were in possession of the Ukraine army and the Rebels did not got it from Russia but from Ukrainian army.    



The interesting video about this is the double line white lines (that only Ukraine army use)
and only good observers notice. and how the tank is being displayed.. as if something they didn't had before and is new.. showing all details of it with interest.. in other words , they show the tank like is something new they captured.. and even show the damage it got in a fight.. but Captured the tank from who? from a fight with the Russian federation or a fight with the ukraine army? It looks like Ukraine do have T-72b3's or something similar to them. with all the upgrades..

What's tr1 doing here anyway? No really, why?

gregoire wrote:What's tr1 doing here anyway? No really, why?

He is here to remind us about "Russian aggression" and "Russian Invasion"..
and how many thousands Russian army soldiers killed like kiev says perhaps?

Vann7 wrote:

gregoire wrote:What's tr1 doing here anyway? No really, why?

He is here to remind us about "Russian aggression" and "Russian Invasion"..
and how many thousands Russian army soldiers killed like kiev says perhaps?

He's a classic troll using all hasbara tricks to divert a normal conversation. Besides, one tank does not make a battalion.

Odessa is on the boiling.. Tensions very high.. and i will not be surprised a revolution
there ,Donetsk like..

Vann7 wrote:

Odessa is on the boiling.. Tensions very high.. and i will not be surprised a revolution
there ,Donetsk like..

I hope so because that would make it very hard to fight the war against donbass. If kharkov would join then things will become very interesting.

Wonder where these brand new Nona-Ks came from...hmmm.

Pretty desperate dude... Nona-Ks were developed in the 1970s... they are hardly new... what is next a photo of a rebel with a Mosin Nagant rifle... clear evidence they were supplied from Russias weapon stocks...

It seems that some western MSM may be waking up to the fact that ex-Party of Regions officials are dying in droves in "assisted-suicides"

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/04/17/ukraine-plagued-succession-unlikely-suicides-former-ruling-party-320584.html

The article alludes to the fact that of the 7 so-called suicides, 4 are now treated as a homicide, with 1 more under investigation.

In true Western MSM fashion however, the author then tries (unconvincingly IMHO) to cast the blame onto Rinat Akhmetov and hypothesis that he is "clearing house" of his old dodgy business partners. Of course, its more likely that the Ukrop Nazis are liquidating their political enemies, but that can't be admitted as it goes against the grain of the "blame-Russia-for-everything-and exonerate-the-democracy-loving-Kiev-government" narrative...

GarryB wrote:

Wonder where these brand new Nona-Ks came from...hmmm.

Pretty desperate dude... Nona-Ks were developed in the 1970s... they are hardly new... what is next a photo of a rebel with a Mosin Nagant rifle... clear evidence they were supplied from Russias weapon stocks...  

Nah, in that case, they were supplied by Finland.

TR1 wrote:

Wonder where these brand new Nona-Ks came from...hmmm.

Have not seen any proof rebels captured any from Ukrainians. Or that the Ukrainians ever operated them in Donbass.

In this case the crews might actually be rebels though.

Unlike those fully regular Russian tank crews .

Ukraine is right next to Russia and Russia's security and sovereignty are at risk, so I hope to hell that their are Russian troops in Ukraine(I don't care what anyone says because Russian security and sovereignty are at risk) fighting the fascists(supported by US and the bankers). If Russia was doing something like this in Mexico(right on US borders, then American troops would be in Mexico).

GarryB wrote:

Wonder where these brand new Nona-Ks came from...hmmm.

Pretty desperate dude... Nona-Ks were developed in the 1970s... they are hardly new... what is next a photo of a rebel with a Mosin Nagant rifle... clear evidence they were supplied from Russias weapon stocks...  

Of course it is desperate remember his joy when he posted civilian trucks from fresh production spotted in ukraine to proof russias "aggression".

By now to everyone here it should be clear that this guy is a russophobe. He muddled in his own story when he once said he is living in russia and then 2 weeks later is he is living in US. He has no understanding of russian politics but constantly parrots Western MSM lies against Putin being a criminal, no word about his open warmonger, corrupt and tax payers money stealing show puppets of MIC, tho.

Speaking more about Graham Philips..
A Video of a charity event funding for Donetsk people..
he should start a political party , he have talent for expressing in words
the Ukrainian war.. is a must see..



on his website,Graham Explained that one Pro kiev fascist troll ,infiltrated in the event and tried to sabotage it .By accusing him of liar ,when Graham was saying civilians being killed. . but failed.  

continuation of the event..
http://russia-insider.com/en/grahams-donbass-event-how-much-where/5464

A very good article, that I got from another thread. Leonid Reshetnikov, a retired SVR general, director of the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies (RISI) talks about Ukraine and Novorossiya.

http://russia-insider.com/en/putin-advisor-novorossiya-will-never-be-part-ukraine-again/5433

http://www.antimaidan.by/o-zverstvax-banderovcev-v-belarusi/
A very interesting detailed read about OUN atrocities in Belarussia unfortunately in russian

Of course a whole bunch of galicians started polluting the comment's article section desperately trying to wash their hands of their guilt by making up utter horseshit about how the Hatin massacre was orchestrated by evil NKVD to tarnish glorious bandera, and that belarussia and ukraine are true europeans and they should unite in some effort to "escape russian occupation", because having an independant socialist centrally planned state instead of a debt enslaved IMF Oliigarch neoliberal shithole is somehow "occupation"

http://express-kamchatka.com/sobytiya/9149-esli-ya-zabudu-o-nikh-ty-bozhe-na-nebe-zabud-pro-menya-volynskaya-reznya-ostorozhno-shokiruyushchee-foto-18.html
An also very detailed but graphic article exposing in full light the genocide of poles in Galicia and the execution methods for these acts of "heroism". Once you see them you'll be convinced that today's polish government is utterly traitorous to it's nation.

gregoire wrote:What's tr1 doing here anyway? No really, why?

Posting. Same thing you are.

gregoire wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

gregoire wrote:What's tr1 doing here anyway? No really, why?

He is here to remind us about "Russian aggression" and "Russian Invasion"..
and how many thousands Russian army soldiers killed like kiev says perhaps?

He's a classic troll using all hasbara tricks to divert a normal conversation. Besides, one tank does not make a battalion.

Trolling= posting relevant information?

lol. You people are pathetic.

Normal conversation- you all circlejerking one view.

Right.

I am sorry if the photos make you uncomfortable, but it really is not my problem.