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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:32 am

    http://www.ibtimes.com/should-west-use-nuclear-weapons-against-russia-scare-putin-missiles-says-former-1875091

    Should West Use Nuclear Weapons Against Russia? 'Scare Putin' With Missiles, Says Former Polish President

    Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150408/1020608951.html

    The West must do “everything it possibly takes” to defend against “Russian aggression”, all the way to “sending in nuclear missiles. It’s important to show we have them, and that they are better than Russia’s Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing , ” Walesa emphasized

    lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:25 pm

    Wermacht finantial experts doing their best ... sniper

    The largest company in Ukraine announced default

    National Bank of Ukraine: Inflation in July exceed 50%


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  max steel on Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:59 pm

    INFLATION IN RUSSIA AND THE UKRAINE

    Inflation in Russia in March slowed to 1.2% - only slightly more than the 1% in March 2014, providing further evidence that the peak of the inflationary crisis has passed. Inflation now stands at 16.9% in annual terms. Inflation in the Ukraine in March meanwhile increased to 10.8%. I don't know what that means in annual terms. It rose 45.8% in Q1. Even Western propaganda press says the annual inflation (cumulated 12 months) was in reality at 272%, and that was before the most recent hike . http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/is-there-another-maidan-brewing-in-ukraine/517712.html?hc_location=ufi



    Classic US economic shock therapy. Make 99% of people dirt poor, then they are easier to control by small incentives like bread and butter. Starve the pensioners and weak who do not contribute to the war effort. Concentrate the capital of the countryl in the hands of a few oligarchs which stash it in London and Switzerland . What a Face Arrow Smile angry

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  flamming_python on Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:04 pm

    Viktor wrote:Wermacht finantial experts doing their best ...  sniper

    The largest company in Ukraine announced default

    National Bank of Ukraine: Inflation in July exceed 50%


    And adding to its woes..

    Brazil Abandons Joint Satellite Launch System Project With Ukraine

    And I gotta admit; although I have been predicting the destruction of the Ukraine's industrial economy and its transformation into an agricultural appendage of Europe for some time now - I didn't expect it to start happening quite so soon.. and I certainly didn't expect the Ukrainian president to start essentially admitting it so openly

    http://time-ua.com/en/news/economics/11169-poroshenko-agriculture-sector-becomes-the-locomotive-of-our-export-revenues
    "At the time when the industrial potential of Donetsk and Luhansk regions have been destroyed due to the aggression against Ukraine resulting in falling exports of machinery, metallurgy, the locomotive for our export revenues became the agrarian sector," said Poroshenko.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  max steel on Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:33 pm

    Monsanto testing on uke farmlands and chinese bought uke farmlands too .


    As I said about classic american shock therapy

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:09 am

    There is bad but not surprising news..  posted in april 9 2015..
    Kiev forces have launched a full scale assault in almost all fronts according to strelkov..

    They sending tanks and artillery to the front line and shelling cities..

    and also fights near mariupol.with light arms.. with deaths from both sides.



    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/04/kiev-junta-launches-large-scale-attack.html

    it seems the Self Defense forces are holding..but the entire cease of fire could collapse
    at any time permanently if for example Rebels lose one strategic position and when they lose
    it.. Kiev declare a cease of fire.. and then the west claim is the rebels the ones not respecting
    the cease of fire if try to retake it.. and then repeat..  take territory ,cease of fire.. take.. and then cease of fire.. so that only kiev can launch offensives whenever they want.. and the rebels be under disadvantage to defend only and with light weapons.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:42 am

    At this point, rebels need to fight back. They need to strike hard and fast. And to hell with Russia if they wont help. Ukraine has bypassed the cease fire each and every time.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:07 am

    Omg .. Best speech ever in all Europe..  people need to see this. Shocked
    What the german lawmakers in a recent discussion told about Ukraine conflict..
    and the MP basically mapped the floor with US interference and destruction of Ukraine
    all said in public and with Germany following US games.. The entire speech deserve a standing ovation.. Very Happy   Here is an small example..



    Speech in Bundestag by Sahra Wagenknecht




    Not long ago, the head of the influential think-tank Stratfor, with striking bluntness, explained the US interest in Europe: The chief interest of the United States is to prevent coordination between Germany and Russia, since, literally “united they are the only power that can threaten us,” i.e. threaten the US.

    This perceived threat to US interests has been achieved successfully for the foreseeable future. That started as the EU tried to get countries out of their economic and political cooperation with Russia in the framework of the Eastern Partnership.

    [Claudia Roth, Greens: That’s absurd!]

    Frau Merkel, naturally this was aimed at Russia, but it was also contrary to the interests of the countries involved. You, not Russia, pushed them to the either-or.

    [Applause from the Left]

    Resultantly Ukraine has lost the great part of its industry. Today, the country is a bankrupt state, where people go hungry, shiver, and have salaries lower than people have in Ghana.

    But the confrontation with Russia has not only destroyed Ukraine, it has damaged all of Europe. It is, in fact, an open secret that the United States is stirring the conflict with Russia on economic grounds.

    When the US administration talks about Human Rights, they’re actually meaning drilling rights or mining rights. Right now in Ukraine there is in view a hell of a lot of shale gas to frack.  


    If now, in the framework of the Energy Union of other pipeline routes, we’re talking increasing independence from Russian gas, then you should tell the people in honesty what that means: increasing dependence on much more expensive and ecologically devastating US fracked gas. I do not consider that a responsible view.

    Of course, it is not acceptable, when the shooting persists from the ranks of the insurgents,

    [Tino Sorge: Not acceptable!]

    but when Ukrainian troops — or the Nazi battalions fighting for them -- keep right on shooting, then it is quite less unacceptable, and no critical word from you is heard.

    [Applause from the Left]

    Why do you not come forward with words of censure when the Ukrainian regime, notwithstanding its foreseeable bankruptcy, budgets four times as much for arms as it did last year? This doesn’t assure us that the road to peace has any actual support in the Ukrainian regime!

    Furthermore, the US and Britain sending military advisors and delivering weapons is not a matter of supporting the peace process, but of torpedoing it. But do you now envision sanctions against the US and Britain?    I believe that this whole business of sanctions was a huge mistake through which Europe shot itself in the foot. The sanctions should not be extended.

    [Applause from the Left]





    Now the best part.. grab your popcorn.. and look what she told Shocked




    We do not need any more tanks. We do not need a 3,000-man NATO intervention troop in Eastern Europe, that protects nobody, but instead puts all Europe further at risk.

    [Applause from the Left]

    Helmut Schmidt got it right when he warned already in 2007, that, when it comes to world peace, there is far less risk from Russia than from America, and that NATO is only a tool for maintaining US/American hegemony. And if that is correct, then we are left with one set conclusion: that Europe must finally make policy separate from, and independent of, the United States.



    This is huge.. That Europeans are pushing for independence from US , i really
    think this is historical moment on the history of Europe.. and if things continue gaining
    momentum we could see a dramatic split between the European union and US..
    If things continue the same way.. i can see a major split in Europe and at very least
    2 or 3 nations leaving NATO and with major protest in other cities asking for US troops
    to go home.

    Not a good time to be an Empire and with military bases in Europe.  Smile  

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/04/wagenknecht-eu-policy-has-destroyed.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:26 pm

    Actually the Left Party here in germany says such things every week and they are laughed upon by our (SPD (demorats) and CDU/CSU (republicans) which are 100% US slaves and US instructed. The Left Party has never had a  coalition in the government but they are the only party that are talking sane and in favor of german souvereignity and economics, while the rest openly lies and even tells the people they are lying. Like this video of Merkel Ferkel where that vile cunt said:

    "What was said before elections may not be kept afterwards and that you have to be aware that it can be repeated in several different situations".



    We have a cancerous fraction of our population that are the pensioners because they are overwhelmingly the voters for SPD and CDU which are american puppets and some of them don't even have german passports but have two citizenship in US/UK or Israel like Merkel Ferkel.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  par far on Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:40 pm

    max steel wrote: Monsanto testing on uke farmlands and chinese bought uke farmlands too .


    As I said about classic american shock therapy


    I hope armed with Ak's kick them out of their farmland.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  par far on Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:42 pm

    Vann7 wrote:There is bad but not surprising news..  posted in april 9 2015..
    Kiev forces have launched a full scale assault in almost all fronts according to strelkov..

    They sending tanks and artillery to the front line and shelling cities..

    and also fights near mariupol.with light arms.. with deaths from both sides.



    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/04/kiev-junta-launches-large-scale-attack.html

    it seems the Self Defense forces are holding..but the entire cease of fire could collapse
    at any time permanently if for example Rebels lose one strategic position and when they lose
    it.. Kiev declare a cease of fire.. and then the west claim is the rebels the ones not respecting
    the cease of fire if try to retake it.. and then repeat..  take territory ,cease of fire.. take.. and then cease of fire.. so that only kiev can launch offensives whenever they want.. and the rebels be under disadvantage to defend only and with light weapons.


    This is so very true, the rebels need to go on the offensive. I had stated before that war would start up again in mid April because sanctions that Russia put on countries banning their food exports and other stuff expires in June/July.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:49 pm



    Apparently the bombing stopped ,but it could happen again..
    meanwhile Fashington states Gov next Card is Crimean TaTars.. they are trying
    now to create a major world scandal for the TATAR television channel ,that did not
    renewed its contract and the transmission ceased . According to the head of Crimea
    its government , the problem was Crimea Government.. but the owners of the Tatar
    channel that submitted the documents late and with errors -on purpose- to get their
    channel license revoked.

    There have been small size protest.. already for asking to return the channel..
    back online and Turkey is saying will send a delegation to Crimea to monitor what is
    happening there.. (Is that is not an insult or Disrespect to Russia).. Imagine your neighbor tells you ,will inspect your house to monitor if you are doing something wrong?

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/787503

    So i can see a major split in Turkey -Russia relations... Russian lawnmakers are saying
    that US did not care when kiev closed down all Russian media legitimate channels in Ukraine..
    and banned the language.. but now in Crimea they care about a very small tv station.. But at the same time they did not cared about Kiev closing the water and electricity to Crimea ,something vital for people living ,and did not minded to apply sanctions in All crimea ,that not only affect Russians quality of life but also Tatars.. So he rightly exposed western Hypocrisy
    that cares about tatars human rights.. but not a single words of the Ethnic cleansing of Russian in eastern ukraine or the banning of Russian language and its media in Ukraine.. There is human rights violetations in crimea no word about Kiev war crimes and repression against Russians .. Laughing


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:55 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    Apparently the bombing stopped ,but it could happen again..  
    meanwhile Fashington states Gov next Card is Crimean TaTars.. they are trying
    now to create a major world scandal for the TATAR television channel ,that did not
    renewed its contract and the transmission ceased .  According to the head of Crimea
    its government , the problem was Crimea Government.. but the owners of the Tatar
    channel that submitted the documents late and with errors -on purpose- to get their
    channel license revoked.

    There have been small size protest.. already for asking to return the channel..
    back online and Turkey is saying will send a delegation to Crimea to monitor what is
    happening there..  (Is that is not an insult or Disrespect to Russia).. Imagine your neighbor tells you ,will inspect your house to monitor if you are doing something wrong?

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/787503

    So i can see a major split in Turkey -Russia relations... Russian lawnmakers are saying
    that US did not care when kiev closed down all Russian media legitimate channels in Ukraine..
    and banned the language.. but now in Crimea they care about a very small tv station.. But at the same time they did not cared about Kiev closing the water and electricity to Crimea ,something vital for people living ,and did not minded to apply sanctions in All crimea ,that not only affect Russians quality of life but also Tatars.. So he rightly exposed western Hypocrisy  
    that cares about tatars human rights.. but not a single words of the Ethnic cleansing of Russian in eastern ukraine or the banning of Russian language and its media in Ukraine..  There is human rights violetations in crimea no word about Kiev war crimes and repression against Russians .. Laughing


    Actually, the delegation may work out well for Russia, since the delegate will be able to see what the real situation is and Russian media can keep track of it all while there so he cannot go back and openly lie about it.  Crimean Tatars are very small population but a closure of a TV station is nothing. But regardless, it wont matter anyway and the west will use any and all forms of propaganda and lying to say how bad the situation is.  Russia needs to ignore it and or provide their evidence and allow others (not US) media to work there as well.

    Other thing they can do is have an open contract for license of a Crimean tatar (dunno why they need a separate news for a small group of people) news station and anyone who wants to start one that meets the criteria, can start one.  Turkey can send a delegate but in the end, wont change a single thing.  Turkey does a lot of stuff and makes a lot of noise, like the killing of a Chechen warlord that was hiding in Turkey some years back by Russians, but it amounts to nothing.  Let them huff and puff.  But Crimea is gone and if they attack it, Russia will retaliate and fight back which they all know and will just continue to lie about it.  But what matters is not world opinion but opinion of Crimeans.  And if the tatars only make up 100,000 or 200,000 people, and they want special treatment, they can get it somewhere else.  They don't have to stay if they dont like it.  The rights of the majority outweigh the rights of the few.

    Edit: What they can also do is post what the Crimean Tatar tv station submitted and what the requirements are and then it can actually end a lot of this issue. Make it more public. Crimean TV stations need to also start an English channel and other languages (or maybe Sputnik or RT can open an office) so that they can broadcast Crimean activities all the time. Since Russia gives CNN a license, maybe allow CNN to operate there, as well as Chinese news stations. Get a whole lot of them and then the propaganda will stop working as intended.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:09 pm

    Documents Reveal Covert US, UK, NATO Propaganda War in Ukraine
    Documents posted on the web reveal a high-level anti-Russian propaganda war being waged in south and eastern Ukraine by the US, the UK and NATO on behalf of the Kiev Government, using non-governmental organisations (NGOs) as agents.
    According to the Drakula blog, the West is raising its game in its campaign against Russian President Vladimir Putin. While it is — on the one hand — pumping up the military volume by moving NATO and US hardware nearer to the Ukraine and Russian borders, it is also playing a hybrid war by pumping funds into an anti-Russian propaganda war.

    NATO documents show that a "co-ordination meeting on StratCom training for Ukraine" was held in Riga, Latvia on February 19, 2015 as part of its "on-going capacity building programme".

    StratCom stands for Strategic Communication, which means dealing with the "inability of Ukrainian media to provide sufficient reach for the south/east of the country; vast reach of media originating from Russia; lack of strong Public Broadcaster; lack of success stories; [and] lack of trust of the population of the south/eastern regions in the central government".



    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150410/1020712234.html#ixzz3Wv3yPGFC

    http://drakulablog.com/2015/04/01/west-and-ukraine-against-putin-and-his-politicians/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:39 am

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2015/04/723_10.html

    Russian units that were CLEARLY NOT DEPLOYED IN ANY AREA OUTSIDE RUSSIAN BORDERS.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:53 am

    Should have kept the tanks there. At least the novorussians will need them for upcoming attack from Ukrainian Junta.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:07 am

    That are not russian forces.

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:12 am

    Werewolf wrote:That are not russian forces.

    LOL.

    Yes, just old Ukranian tanks recovered from "depots" crewed by Donbass Russians.....

    ....all of that in the Rostov region too. Wow!


    Keep clasping your hands over your ears, something might get through otherwise.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:19 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:That are not russian forces.

    LOL.

    Yes, just old Ukranian tanks recovered from "depots" crewed by Donbass Russians.....

    ....all of that in the Rostov region too. Wow!


    Keep clasping your hands over your ears, something might get through otherwise.

    Dumbass, armor does not proof involvement of forces and even tho, russians are allowed all over ukraine, it is russian soil, ukrainians are russian you imbecile americunt. Jerking off trying to blame russia for what your halfwit shithole of terrorist cunt nation has done and you are a terrorist yourself completley backing up this nuthead russophobia and warmongering.

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:20 am

    That's a cute barrage of personal attacks.

    Must be hard to string a coherent sentence together.

    Garry, is such behavior tolerated?

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:21 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:That are not russian forces.

    LOL.

    Yes, just old Ukranian tanks recovered from "depots" crewed by Donbass Russians.....

    ....all of that in the Rostov region too. Wow!


    Keep clasping your hands over your ears, something might get through otherwise.

    Dumbass, armor does not proof involvement of forces and even tho, russians are allowed all over ukraine, it is russian soil, ukrainians are russian you imbecile americunt. Jerking off trying to blame russia for what your halfwit shithole of terrorist cunt nation has done and you are a terrorist yourself completley backing up this nuthead russophobia and warmongering.

    Quoted for hilarity. And to make sure this fellow does not edit it.

    But yeah back to topic. I am sure Russian tank units painted "death to aidar" for fun on their tanks.
    And yes, those are obviously Russian tank units. The notion that they are anything else is truly hilarious.
    Hell, even GurKhan points out these photos are "after being withdrawn from Ukraine".

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:28 am

    But yeah back to topic. I am sure Russian tank units painted "death to aidar" for fun on their tanks.
    And yes, those are obviously Russian tank units. The notion that they are anything else is truly hilarious.
    Hell, even GurKhan points out these photos are "after being withdrawn from Ukraine".

    Sure, because no one else could have painted "Death to Aidar" on their tanks.


    White poweder in glas tube...Proof the americunt way.


    Very convinient to use Gur Khan which you called garbage talker but when it suites your russophobia it is always a fair source right?

    Pathetic such russophobia just your Jew John Cohan (Kerry).


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    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:33 am

    Uh no. I said GurKhan was a garbage source for Armata because he had a well known (if you actually had a clue about the subject) feud with UVZ.

    Why would GurKhan portray Russian forces in Ukraine if he did not believe it? He is a patriotic Russian. And a better source than you, thats for sure Smile .

    But yeah, I am sure a leprachaun came out and painted it on their tanks, but the stupid Russian crew could not stop them/wash it away. Instead they took pics for fun (mind you, along with pics of "my tank as hit, it was a good tank" and other SUSPICIOUS things).


    Awww, bringing Jews up. Typical when you can't hold an argument.
    Then again, its the German inside of you coming out I guess Smile .

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  kvs on Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:33 am

    TR1 pissing on every thread again.

    Even if there were Russian forces in Ukraine.   SO F*CKING WHAT!.  NATO gives itself the right to bomb Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, soon Syria and Iran but Russia can't even defend 8 million ethnic Russians being terrorized by a Stepan Bandera worshiping regime which has explicitly called for their mass murder and ethnic cleansing.

    NATO DOES NOT GET TO SET THE RULES!

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:34 am

    Posting relevant photos is not pissing.

    Your posts however, are 100% a waste of space I have noticed.

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