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The Situation in the Ukraine. #10

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flamming_python Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:27 pm

higurashihougi wrote:Now Ukrainian people mostly lost all hope about "reclaiming" Krym

http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/21_of_ukrainians_believe_in_voluntary_return_of_crimea___poll_328100&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ei=thGtVJ6NPNCzuATn6oH4DQ&ved=0CB0QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNEflhKmYWdxDkhyqJCi-wiN-YpKnA

Whoever's working on propaganda and indoctrination in the Ukraine surely deserves a medal.

As it must be some piece of work to even get 21% of Ukrainians believing that 97% of the Crimeans that voted didn't unequivocally give them and their country the middle finger for good.

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magnumcromagnon Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:28 am

The Russophobia is getting out of hand, a Lithuanian composer was beaten to death for having pro-Putin views:

Lithuanian composer killed for supporting Vladimir Putin (photo)

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flamming_python Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:39 am

magnumcromagnon wrote:The Russophobia is getting out of hand, a Lithuanian composer was beaten to death for having pro-Putin views:

Lithuanian composer killed for supporting Vladimir Putin (photo)

Yep I remember a Russian Lithuanian posting on mp.net about how he heard of gangs harassing Russians lately and telling them to 'talk Lithuanian' and so on, a lot of stuff.

Basically the Baltic governments are little different to the Ukrainian one, or to the other nationalist governments that emerged in the wake of the Soviet collapse in several states. They use nationalism as an instrument, and nationalists as their enforcers and as a weapon against political opponents and for maintaining their order in the country.

Russia really should propose resettlement to all Russians in Lithuania. Hopefully they will be encouraged to accept the offer, considering the rising violent mood in the country.

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kvs Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:18 am

magnumcromagnon wrote:The Russophobia is getting out of hand, a Lithuanian composer was beaten to death for having pro-Putin views:

Lithuanian composer killed for supporting Vladimir Putin (photo)

Yet more confirmation that the Baltics are Rwandan style toilets.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the people. The people that are not haters that is.

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higurashihougi Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:13 am

kvs wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:The Russophobia is getting out of hand, a Lithuanian composer was beaten to death for having pro-Putin views:

Lithuanian composer killed for supporting Vladimir Putin (photo)

Yet more confirmation that the Baltics are Rwandan style toilets.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the people. The people that are not haters that is.

Any one who live in the Baltic (for example Regular) can you verify these information for me ?

Actually in Baltic, at the end period of the USSR, things were not really noisy like the propaganda says. After all, Western people can adapt well to many kinds of political regime, communism or not, and they do not have the tendency to keep the grudge for long like many of us.

I and some Russian friends had watch several Western documentary films (mostly of CNN) about events at Tallin, Riga and Vinius, at the time when the USSR reached its end. I asked about the reliability of the film, and the Russian friends answer: "Why you Vietnameses are so naive ? These films are damn propaganda and lies. At the Baltic regions, there were just minor protests of the extremists. Most of the people did not give a fucking care. The USSR collapsed just like a dead tree, and nobody paid any grain of attention about a dead tree." Then one of them gave me a picture about a massive protest, and he showed me that, actually there was just a few hundred people, and the author use a number of techniques to exaggerate the scale.

See ? That's propaganda from the West.

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The Situation in the Ukraine. #10 - Page 9 1077711

Russian aid convoy for Donbas crosses state border, heads for Donetsk, Lugansk

The relief cargo will be distributed among schools, kindergartens, public canteens, hospitals and other socially important facilities

MOSCOW, January 8. /TASS/. The Russian Emergencies Ministry convoys with relief aid have crossed the state border and are heading for Ukraine’s Donetsk, Lugansk, Oleg Voronov, deputy head of the national crisis management centre, told TASS on Thursday.

“The customs clearance procedures are finalised, and over 60 trucks head for Donetsk, and other trucks - for Lugansk,” he said. About 700 tonnes of cargo will be delivered both to Donetsk and to Lugansk.

Earlier on Thursday, the convoy split into two parts. The relief cargo includes Christmas gifts for children consisting of toys and sweets as well as foods including canned meat, fish and milk; baby food and seven types of grits, including buckwheat, barley groats, barley, wheat farina, rice as well as macaroni products, confectionaries, essentials and medical supplies.

The relief cargo will be distributed among schools, kindergartens, public canteens, hospitals and other socially important facilities.

“The relief cargoes were formed in the Moscow, Voronezh, Ivanovo, Tula, Volgograd and Rostov regions,” Voronov went on to say. Gifts for children had been prepared by the Russian Emergencies Ministry jointly with the Russian Union of Rescuers public organization.

The convoy was ready for dispatch on Wednesday evening. All the vehicles underwent technical maintenance. The drivers received additional instructions on how to drive in complicated weather conditions because low temperatures and a snow fall are expected on January 8.

“All the drivers have enormous experience in carrying out humanitarian missions. They have delivered relief cargoes to the Donetsk and Lugansk regions many times,” Voronov stressed. Ten previous Russian relief convoys have delivered more than 13,000 tonnes to the conflict-stricken Donetsk and Lugansk regions since August.

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Regular Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:30 pm

magnumcromagnon wrote:The Russophobia is getting out of hand, a Lithuanian composer was beaten to death for having pro-Putin views:

Lithuanian composer killed for supporting Vladimir Putin (photo)

Rusvesna is a funny site it seems. Loved their fake strelkov stories too. But it was our media that spinned this crap, not rusvesna.

It's quite big thing in Lithuania, look, his funeral gathered plenty of people and sparked debates too. But not the political ones, but dirty domestic ones.
Putin was involved thanks to our yellow press. They even said attacks had georgian ribbons on them. Some idiot on national TV said it was Russian FSB work. Eff. Typical antirussian paranoya from same suspects ensued before victims widow spoke out. Tomas was apolitical and she said not to speculate about it. His facebook proves that too.
Aprantly according to eye witness gang of teens aprouched him walking his dog at 4am. Maybe he was drunk? It happened next to night club. In front of security and all that. They mocked him calling him Putin because he was bold and they started hitting him. He had big dog but it just stood there without defending him. Security called police and medics but they did nothing. He slipped into coma and died few days ago. 3 other people were attacked before him too.
Attackers never had their names published. Social networks did share some of their names. Some of them are successful students, have wealthy parents and etc. Most likely they will get light punishmet and that's our problem. Not fucking political aspect of it which doesn't exisy. He couldve supported Obama it wouldn't make a difference. Same as in Lithuania if You are asked by the gang for cigarets. If You don't have them you are fucked if You do they will hit you while you are taking them out of Your pocket. Mongoloid genes STRONK, young aggressive people where strength and money is a priority and etc. End of this year was full of blood from serial killings where 20y.o. were involved. But news portals like delfi.lt still had Putin and Russia as main topics. Fucking year of the euro. There reasons me and my wife will raise our child abroad. She being a Russian speaker is not the one.

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magnumcromagnon Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:13 am

Interesting, it's said that Dmitriy Yarosh attended sessions of the Verkhovna Rada in Kiev, Ukraine with a grenade in his pocket (pun not intended). Is this a credible claim? If proven true, it's more evidence on how Kiev has gotten out of hand politically over the past year. Stories like that (if proven true) really begs the question not if, but when will Ukraine break up via Balkanization? 5 years? 10 years?

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kvs Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:53 am

magnumcromagnon wrote:Interesting, it's said that Dmitriy Yarosh attended sessions of the Verkhovna Rada in Kiev, Ukraine with a grenade in his pocket (pun not intended). Is this a credible claim? If proven true, it's more evidence on how Kiev has gotten out of hand politically over the past year. Stories like that (if proven true) really begs the question not if, but when will Ukraine break up via Balkanization? 5 years? 10 years?

What will end the Ukraine project launched by the Germans during WWI and WWII and the USA after them is Russia severing economic ties.
Clearly the west is not prepared to spare any serious money rescuing this failed state. Soros talks about $50 billion enabling Ukraine to be
rescued from the jaws of the Russian bear. Soros is an idiot. You can't patch the gaping hole left from the severing of economic ties to Russia
(and from the Donbas GDP contribution) with a one time injection of $50 billion. Russia spent $300 billion since the breakup of the USSR subsidizing
Ukraine. Today, Ukraine gets $11 billion per year in money transfers from Ukrainians working in Russia. Add to this the tens of billions of
dollars in Ukrainian GDP dependent on Russia and you see that Ukraine is over.

Putin does not need to invade Ukraine. He needs to suffocate the quisling regime in Kiev economically. As of now the south and east that
has not rebelled is basically simmering with discontent. As the economy flushes down the proverbial toilet, the 50% of Ukraine which was robbed
of a political voice by the coup will rise up.

By no means must Russia compromise and normalize relations with the coup regime in Kiev or its successors. They need to be nipped in
the bud ASAP. I hope that the fact that Russia is shipping coal to Ukraine is not a signal by Putin's government that the plan is to
normalize relations. Normalization would mean a return to subsidies which is intolerable.

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The Situation in the Ukraine. #10 - Page 9 F0278443_5381f984a9ed0

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kvs wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Interesting, it's said that Dmitriy Yarosh attended sessions of the Verkhovna Rada in Kiev, Ukraine with a grenade in his pocket (pun not intended). Is this a credible claim? If proven true, it's more evidence on how Kiev has gotten out of hand politically over the past year. Stories like that (if proven true) really begs the question not if, but when will Ukraine break up via Balkanization? 5 years? 10 years?

What will end the Ukraine project launched by the Germans during WWI and WWII and the USA after them is Russia severing economic ties.
Clearly the west is not prepared to spare any serious money rescuing this failed state. Soros talks about $50 billion enabling Ukraine to be
rescued from the jaws of the Russian bear. Soros is an idiot. You can't patch the gaping hole left from the severing of economic ties to Russia
(and from the Donbas GDP contribution) with a one time injection of $50 billion. Russia spent $300 billion since the breakup of the USSR subsidizing
Ukraine. Today, Ukraine gets $11 billion per year in money transfers from Ukrainians working in Russia. Add to this the tens of billions of
dollars in Ukrainian GDP dependent on Russia and you see that Ukraine is over.

Putin does not need to invade Ukraine. He needs to suffocate the quisling regime in Kiev economically. As of now the south and east that
has not rebelled is basically simmering with discontent. As the economy flushes down the proverbial toilet, the 50% of Ukraine which was robbed
of a political voice by the coup will rise up.

By no means must Russia compromise and normalize relations with the coup regime in Kiev or its successors. They need to be nipped in
the bud ASAP. I hope that the fact that Russia is shipping coal to Ukraine is not a signal by Putin's government that the plan is to
normalize relations. Normalization would mean a return to subsidies which is intolerable.

Bolded part.
I thought Ukraine was failed commie project. Lenin is basically Ukraines father. He attached Russian lands to Ukraine and let Ukr commies derussify these lands. Plus Ukrainian commies were supported in their attempt to mould a national entity. They created their language with the help of Russian linguists from a western Ukrainian dialect. Not to mention additional lands were given to them later on. It wouldn't be for commies Ukrainians as a nation would exists only around Vinitsa.

It was done to curb Russian nationalism. Cossacks there were higly religions and didn't fit in the books. Ukrainians as a nation are only forming now as we speak. There might be a split between western and central Ukrainians soon enough.

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Mike E Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:14 am

Cough... "Communism"... Cough...

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higurashihougi Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:06 pm

Anybody live in Germany or can read German... could you please verify these information ?

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150109/1016706636.html

"All of us still clearly remember the Soviet invasion of Ukraine and Germany," he said. "We need to avoid it."

"Nobody has the right to rewrite the results of the Second World War," he added. "Russia's President Putin is trying to do exactly this."

There are some Germany articles about it, but this matter is damn serious and I need 100% correctness, therefore I don't want to use Google Translate.

https://www.freitag.de/autoren/jens-bernert/jazenjuk-aggression-wie-gegen-hitler

Dass die Ukraine ein Naziproblem hat, ist mittlerweile hinlänglich bekannt. Der ukrainische Ministerpräsident Arseni Jazenjuk hat einen Teil der Führer der Nazikampfeinheiten in seine Partei integriert. In dem Interview in den Tagesthemen mit Pinar Atalay vom 7.1.2015 anläßlich seines Besuches bei seiner deutschen Amtskollegin Angela Merkel vergleicht er Russland mit der Sowjetunion der Vierziger Jahre und Deutschland mit dem damaligen Deutschen Reich unter Adolf Hitler (Hier in dem Video des Interviews ab 1:05 Minuten) und zieht Paralellen zum Ende des II. Weltkriegs: "Die russische Aggression in der Ukraine, das ist der Angriff auf die Weltordnung und auf die Ordnung in Europa. Wir können uns alle sehr gut auf den sowjetischen Anmarsch in die Ukraine und nach Deutschland erinnern. Das muss man vermeiden.". Das alles unwidersprochen in einer deutschen Hauptnachrichtensendung im Jahre 2015. Wieso gibt sich die Bundesregierung mit diesem Mann ab?

http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/43/43803/1.html

"Der Sowjet marschiert"

Vorsichtigen Fragen, ob nun nicht auch die Ukraine in der Bringschuld ist, wich Jazenjuk gestern in den ARD-Tagesthemen mit dem Verweis auf die "russische Aggression" auf der Krim und der Ost-Ukraine aus. Ihre Hausaufgaben habe die Ukraine bereits erledigt, meint der Ministerpräsident. Der Beamtenapparat sei reduziert und die Sozialabgaben seien gekürzt worden. Jetzt sei es an Europa, die Ukraine zu unterstützen. Die Ukraine, die sich zu Europa bekannt habe, sei jetzt in Gefahr, erklärte Jazenjuk mit Verweis auf den Zweiten Weltkrieg, als die Sowjets schon mal gen Westen marschierten:

Die russische Aggression in der Ukraine, das ist der Angriff auf die Weltordnung und auf die Ordnung in Europa. Wir können uns noch alle sehr gut an den sowjetischen Anmarsch in die Ukraine und auf Deutschland erinnern. Das muss man vermeiden. Und keiner hat das Recht, die Ergebnisse des Zweiten Weltkrieges neu zu schreiben.

Der "sowjetische Anmarsch auf die Ukraine und Deutschland" ist das Lieblingsthema ukrainischer Nationalisten, welche in den letzten zehn Jahren das offizielle Geschichtsbild der Ukraine komplett umgekrempelt haben. Nicht mehr der 9. Mai - der Siegestag über Hitler-Deutschland - ist jetzt offizieller Feiertag, sondern der Todestag von Nationalisten-Führer und Hitler-Kollaborateur Stepan Bandera am 14. Oktober. Der Bandera-Kult steht dem früheren Lenin-Kult ins nichts nach

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GustavoHF Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:49 pm

higurashihougi wrote:Anybody live in Germany or can read German... could you please verify these information ?

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150109/1016706636.html

"All of us still clearly remember the Soviet invasion of Ukraine and Germany," he said. "We need to avoid it."

"Nobody has the right to rewrite the results of the Second World War," he added. "Russia's President Putin is trying to do exactly this."

There are some Germany articles about it, but this matter is damn serious and I need 100% correctness, therefore I don't want to use Google Translate.

https://www.freitag.de/autoren/jens-bernert/jazenjuk-aggression-wie-gegen-hitler

Dass die Ukraine ein Naziproblem hat, ist mittlerweile hinlänglich bekannt. Der ukrainische Ministerpräsident Arseni Jazenjuk hat einen Teil der Führer der Nazikampfeinheiten in seine Partei integriert. In dem Interview in den Tagesthemen mit Pinar Atalay vom 7.1.2015 anläßlich seines Besuches bei seiner deutschen Amtskollegin Angela Merkel vergleicht er Russland mit der Sowjetunion der Vierziger Jahre und Deutschland mit dem damaligen Deutschen Reich unter Adolf Hitler (Hier in dem Video des Interviews ab 1:05 Minuten) und zieht Paralellen zum Ende des II. Weltkriegs: "Die russische Aggression in der Ukraine, das ist der Angriff auf die Weltordnung und auf die Ordnung in Europa. Wir können uns alle sehr gut auf den sowjetischen Anmarsch in die Ukraine und nach Deutschland erinnern. Das muss man vermeiden.". Das alles unwidersprochen in einer deutschen Hauptnachrichtensendung im Jahre 2015. Wieso gibt sich die Bundesregierung mit diesem Mann ab?

http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/43/43803/1.html

"Der Sowjet marschiert"

Vorsichtigen Fragen, ob nun nicht auch die Ukraine in der Bringschuld ist, wich Jazenjuk gestern in den ARD-Tagesthemen mit dem Verweis auf die "russische Aggression" auf der Krim und der Ost-Ukraine aus. Ihre Hausaufgaben habe die Ukraine bereits erledigt, meint der Ministerpräsident. Der Beamtenapparat sei reduziert und die Sozialabgaben seien gekürzt worden. Jetzt sei es an Europa, die Ukraine zu unterstützen. Die Ukraine, die sich zu Europa bekannt habe, sei jetzt in Gefahr, erklärte Jazenjuk mit Verweis auf den Zweiten Weltkrieg, als die Sowjets schon mal gen Westen marschierten:

Die russische Aggression in der Ukraine, das ist der Angriff auf die Weltordnung und auf die Ordnung in Europa. Wir können uns noch alle sehr gut an den sowjetischen Anmarsch in die Ukraine und auf Deutschland erinnern. Das muss man vermeiden. Und keiner hat das Recht, die Ergebnisse des Zweiten Weltkrieges neu zu schreiben.

Der "sowjetische Anmarsch auf die Ukraine und Deutschland" ist das Lieblingsthema ukrainischer Nationalisten, welche in den letzten zehn Jahren das offizielle Geschichtsbild der Ukraine komplett umgekrempelt haben. Nicht mehr der 9. Mai - der Siegestag über Hitler-Deutschland - ist jetzt offizieller Feiertag, sondern der Todestag von Nationalisten-Führer und Hitler-Kollaborateur Stepan Bandera am 14. Oktober. Der Bandera-Kult steht dem früheren Lenin-Kult ins nichts nach

Well, with all do respect to the Eurotrash authorities and their anti-Russia policy I think that the situation is beginning to be really embarrassing for them, when some sort of clown starts to say this kind of shit. Mr. Yatsenyuk is a completely freak, and he is unable to guid even a failed state as Ukraine.
Long live to Mother Russia.

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kvs Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:01 am

Ukraine was indeed a German project. Lenin and the Bolshevik revolution was a joint western project of the USA, UK and Germany
to take down the Russian Empire.

http://tarpley.net/metaphysical-doubts-concerning-the-existence-of-modern-ukraine-a-1918-creation-of-the-german-general-staff/

The systematic removal of the active role of the west in this region is obscene. This selective memory is yet more anti-Russian
hate. Lenin was like ISIS. Supposedly he was the enemy of the capitalists that facilitated his rise to power. Supposedly.

BTW, Trotsky went on fund raising junket to the USA:

http://www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/chapter_02.htm

The west is a pathological enemy of Russia. It has been so since the great schism. The Popes launched crusades against Byzantium
and against Russia: look up the Teutonic Knights and their invasion attempt of Russia.

We see the exact same pattern today as was there during the cold war even though communism is dead and gone. The west
used communism like it uses radical Islam. As a tool to further its agenda. In the case of the USSR it got blowback but the
Russian people paid the price in tens of millions of their lives.

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AlfaT8 Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:36 am

kvs wrote:The west is a pathological enemy of Russia. It has been so since the great schism. The Popes launched crusades against Byzantium
and against Russia: look up the Teutonic Knights and their invasion attempt of Russia.

You forgot the link, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ice

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AlfaT8 wrote:

kvs wrote:The west is a pathological enemy of Russia. It has been so since the great schism. The Popes launched crusades against Byzantium
and against Russia: look up the Teutonic Knights and their invasion attempt of Russia.

You forgot the link, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ice

One of the many defeats the West suffered at the hands of Russia... Cool

The Estonians have been 'butt-hurt' ever since. lol1

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magnumcromagnon wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

kvs wrote:The west is a pathological enemy of Russia. It has been so since the great schism. The Popes launched crusades against Byzantium
and against Russia: look up the Teutonic Knights and their invasion attempt of Russia.

You forgot the link, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ice

One of the many defeats the West suffered at the hands of Russia... The Estonians have been 'butt-hurt' ever since.

The west never learns considering Napoleon and Hitler. Also, the Baltics were proxies back then as they are now. The string pullers are elsewhere.

I get the feeling we are ripe for another glorious adventure of the self-anointed masters of the universe to subjugate Russia. They must
have figured out a way to neutralize Russia's nuclear missiles. Or so they think.

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kvs wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

kvs wrote:The west is a pathological enemy of Russia. It has been so since the great schism. The Popes launched crusades against Byzantium
and against Russia: look up the Teutonic Knights and their invasion attempt of Russia.

You forgot the link, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ice

One of the many defeats the West suffered at the hands of Russia... The Estonians have been 'butt-hurt' ever since.

The west never learns considering Napoleon and Hitler. Also, the Baltics were proxies back then as they are now. The string pullers are elsewhere.

I get the feeling we are ripe for another glorious adventure of the self-anointed masters of the universe to subjugate Russia. They must
have figured out a way to neutralize Russia's nuclear missiles. Or so they think.

A false sense of security they have with their ABM systems.

There wont be another excursion into Russia. But they will do what they can through NGO's and countries that surround Russia. It is obvious that Russia's clear lack of wanting to deal with an issue (not really helping Syria a whole lot), is what is helping Russia isolate itself. Technically, since Venezuela is in a bad position, Russia could have offered Venezuela free trade and try to sell a ton of Russian products that are in demand in Venezuela, for a good rate. Like toilet paper and what not. But no, they are not doing this. They could try to get Russian enterprises involved in Venezuela, but no, they are not. Doing so, is going to cause a rift in Venezuela and that will be another market Russia will lose out on. A fault of the Russian government.

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[quote="AlfaT8"]

kvs wrote:The west is a pathological enemy of Russia. It has been so since the great schism. The Popes launched crusades against Byzantium
and against Russia: look up the Teutonic Knights and their invasion attempt of Russia.

You forgot the link, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ice[/quotewikipe]
Even if orthox world was hated by christians, main target of Northern crusades were Baltic nations.
Maybe that's why we are so butthurt?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades
Tribes back then were pagans. Religion was very similar to Slavic paganism where nature was the deity. After tribalism ended and Duchy was formed we refused to accept new religion from Popes or Crusaders for so long.
Eventually we had to accept it, because it was exhausting to fight foreign invaders comming from all over Europe with better weapons and siege engines. They were raiding and pillaging non stop. But when our rulers accepted popes missioneries and converted, crusaders still attacked us and didn't stop till they were beaten themselves.
Crusaders exterminated Prussians, they were balts, not germans. They did bring higher culture, architecture, science with them, but with terrible cost.
In this battle their crusades that lasted hundreds of years were put to the end.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grunwald
It simply shows one of the examples when superior invader bites the dust.

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http://ria.ru/world/20150110/1041945108.html
http://www.praguepost.com/world-news/43706-zeman-criticizes-historical-ukrainian-leaders
http://rt.com/news/219783-nazi-parade-kiev-bandera/

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Any news in the front? I've read some tweets about heavy fire on LNR positions.

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Morpheus Eberhardt Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:03 am

Regular wrote:Any news in the front? I've read some tweets about heavy fire on LNR positions.

I don't know. What does Voice of Sevastopol' say about it?

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KomissarBojanchev Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:22 pm

kvs wrote:Ukraine was indeed a German project. Lenin and the Bolshevik revolution was a joint western project of the USA, UK and Germany
to take down the Russian Empire.

http://tarpley.net/metaphysical-doubts-concerning-the-existence-of-modern-ukraine-a-1918-creation-of-the-german-general-staff/

The systematic removal of the active role of the west in this region is obscene. This selective memory is yet more anti-Russian
hate. Lenin was like ISIS. Supposedly he was the enemy of the capitalists that facilitated his rise to power. Supposedly.

BTW, Trotsky went on fund raising junket to the USA:

http://www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/chapter_02.htm

Retarded articles written by orthodox zealots or rich bourgeois pompous assholes are hardly evidence. What you're propogating is one of the greatest lies spread in this century. I call it the great white lie. A lie created by the escaped dvoryans and today's russian nazis whose function is to idealise and create nostalgia for russian feudalism and monarchism.

If the bolsheviks were their project, why did the capitalist colonial empire send thousands of troops to invade russia, not to mention the jewish and anglosaxon bankers financing your beloved white general's private armies who started the civil war in the first place?

In fact the bolsheviks were the biggest nightmare for the west. They threatened to create a modernised republic whose main function would be fight the capitalist empires. They threatened to remove the romanov inbred anglosaxon scumfuck family which completely pandered to the entente's economic by buying unfair jewish loans and western goods instead of indigineous russian ones. If the october revolution wouldn't've happened, russia would be western imperial geopolitical puppet ruled by a non-russian royal family and it's peasents and working class exploited as cheap labor.

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AlfaT8 Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:10 pm

AlfaT8 wrote:

kvs wrote:The west is a pathological enemy of Russia. It has been so since the great schism. The Popes launched crusades against Byzantium
and against Russia: look up the Teutonic Knights and their invasion attempt of Russia.

You forgot the link, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ice

Sorry guys, i forgot the other two, my bad, here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_East%E2%80%93West_Schism

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