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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:31 pm

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    What a scum!!!
    I would put a bullet through both of them skulls with no remorse Smile

    For Yatz sure! But why for Pope Francis Bergoglio? He's considered the Pope of the Global South, he's an enemy of the Washington Consensus and a militant opponent of neo-liberalism of the New York/City of London variety. He believes in economic justice, such as anti-austerity and anti-poverty initiatives and believes in severely limiting the powers of the ultra-rich oligarchs dominating globalism, the most damning fact is that Pope Francis has been attacked countless times by neo-cons in America such as Sarah Palin for being a "socialist pope". He opposes military intervention is Syria, and urges peaceful reconciliation.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:40 pm

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    Speaks better Russian than English. 
    Plus Ukraine was in Iraq too.

    The first dude spoke in English only, didn't he?

    Those fellows are PMCs most likely. And there have already been quite a few reports about their activities.
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:12 pm

    BREAKING NEWS: Unknown gunmen land from helicopters, attack checkpoint near Soledar, Donetsk region

    http://www.rt.com/news/155104-soledar-ukraine-military-attack/

    Its clear the Ukraine junta wants to totally isolate the occupied buildings from Ukraine and remove all check points
    and that the small pause we saw ,was temporarily ,they are definitively aiming to end the rebellion with the army.
    Not good.
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    Post  arpakola Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:00 am

    Ruthenia in Western Ukraine is said to have largest autonomy rally today, mulls declaring independent state

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    Post  arpakola Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:27 am


    Privat-Bank branches being vandalized all over SE and Odessa, rumor has assaliants torch money vaults and ATMs without stealing any

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    Post  Vann7 Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:40 am

    arpakola wrote:Ruthenia in Western Ukraine is said to have largest autonomy rally today, mulls declaring independent state


    Where is that in the map.. is that is Pro Russia? notice Russian flags..
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    Post  zino Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:50 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Where is that in the map.. is that is Pro Russia?  notice Russian flags..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakarpattia_Oblast

    I'm worried about Kharkov and Odessa. And the new sanctions for monday of course. I'm in a bad mood.
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    Post  Cyberspec Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:40 am

    Vann7 wrote:BREAKING NEWS: Unknown gunmen land from helicopters, attack checkpoint near Soledar, Donetsk region

    http://www.rt.com/news/155104-soledar-ukraine-military-attack/

    Its clear the Ukraine junta wants to totally isolate the occupied buildings from Ukraine and remove all check points
    and that the small pause we saw ,was temporarily ,they are definitively aiming to end the rebellion with the army.
    Not good.

    The attack was repelled. The DNR sources claim to have killed 1 attacker and wounded and captured another.

    They've also captured 3 SBU agents near Gorlovka.



    So far there have been only small scale actions with limited military value from the Kiev side. It looks more like a media show rather than a serious operation. A lot of analysts believe it's designed to provoke a Russian intervention. Personally I think an intervention will happen but based on what's happened so far, it will be sudden and when they least expect it....in other words, they won't be following the Junta's timetable.

    ...

    Some scenarios for an intervention based on the views of retired Russian generals....from a limited intervention by a brigade or two of Spetznas/VDV to a larger scale intervention.

     Arrow In Kiev in 2-3 days
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:56 am

    Does anybody know where FP is; his news feed was a good one.

    I know he was interviewing and studying for the interviews, and I know that I told him to take the interviews seriously, but anyway.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:47 am

    Probably starting his own Ukraine News Blog... he could make lots of money from the Jamestown institute and other far right wing orgs prretending to follow their bias views.

    When they interview him for Fox News and CNN and BBC he can then rip in to them about their anti Russian bias... after first cashing all those cheques of course.... Smile
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:37 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    So far there have been only small scale actions with limited military value from the Kiev side. It looks more like a media show rather than a serious operation. A lot of analysts believe it's designed to provoke a Russian intervention.
    ...

    Some scenarios for an intervention based on the views of retired Russian generals....from a limited intervention by a brigade or two of Spetznas/VDV to a larger scale intervention.


    This is exactly.. what i was thinking about.. That the US rhetoric and arrogance in their tone is aimed at provoking
    Russia to interfere and invade.. so that they can activate their 300 to 5,000 black water mercenary thugs.Probably armed with Stinger missiles and manpads. and giving attack drones to the ukrainian army. So is my believe that Regardless of what happens in the future.. what they should be doing right now.. is send 300 veterans retired spetnaz from the army ,that now works as private security,armed to the teeth but dressed like Ukrainian police + local defense forces from the east with hidden Kornets and manpads and lazer designator guns and portable spy cheap mini drones ,and with equipment to detect spy cameras hidden and do a 100% terrain reconnaissance from where they plan to invade ,check for remote Bombs at the road ,and places of potential ambush. This force needs to remain as much possible undercover with sniper rifles and assault weapons but but all with silencer, have to travel in civilian cars and they escorted by ukrainian civilians to do full inspection of the roads they will need to travel if invade. Any check point will have to be monitored and neutralized , soldiers arrested with hundreds if not thousands civilian support.. You send civilians first to surround them and later the spetnaz disarm them and arrest them. then go to the next check point and repeat. and then have 100% all the path clear for an invasion all the way to the pro Russian cities.  Keeping a low profile and all operations undercover will give Russia a significant advantage that they will not have if the Russian army invades. Loyal Police to Russia from Ukraine can lead the way to Russian special forces entry.


    My best guess is that if US strategy is to provoke Russia to invade ,then they will supply the Ukrainian army (at least on the media will claim) with NATO attack drones or spy drones to guide the artillery of the Ukrainian army on RUssian positions.  That said if Russia plans to invade with the army ,they need first to make sure they bribe/disable/Jam the air defenses of Ukraine in the east so their troops not attacked by drones. Without full air superiority will be too dangerous . Under Ideal conditions if Russia is forced to invade with their army.will be far better for Russia ,before sending tanks ,to send attack drones first to make the ukrainian army retreat from occupied cities. The greatest danger for Russian army i think ,that i think NATO will use to attack Russia by proxy withing the "Ukrainian army" cover ,is their attack drones... the army will be defenseless if drones show up without warning and start bombing them. This is because drones major feature is their silent operation (contrary to a jet engine that warns everyone ) ,and low flying drones could hide from radars if flying low ,specially when Russia have no air defenses inside Ukraine but only at the border.. So if the Russian army invades ,their airforce will need to go first and disable all air defenses and provoke major headlines around the world of a war.

    So Russia best solution before sending combat jets or tanks and AFTER they send undercover spetnaz, is to use unmanned drones  ,before a real invasion and use it to push the Ukrainian army away of cities. World Opinion is extremely important in wars , (look how NATO syria invasion failed because of that) this is the reason why Russia needs to do everything in the most peaceful ,undercover way ,that provoke the less headlines in the media.

    Ironically the best weapon Russia have and that is free and cost nothing, to push the army away of cities is Pro Russian Civilians . Well coordinate civilians in big numbers ,lets say a couple of thousand rally can disarm any check point and block an stop any tank column specially if there is a lot of media journalist covering the event.. But they need to be trained how to do it right ,not to act too violently and provoke to be shot at the legs or killed.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:49 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Ironically the best weapon Russia have and that is free and cost nothing, to push the army away of cities is Pro Russian Civilians . Well coordinate civilians in big numbers ,lets say a couple of thousand rally can disarm any check point and block an  stop any tank column specially if there is a lot of media journalist covering the event.. But they need to be trained how to do it right ,not to act too violently and provoke to be shot at the legs or killed.

    Unfortunately, I don't think this is going to work anymore. This conflict has already entered a war phase.
    So, those civilians would be MUCH more useful by working on the supplies for militias: provide fuel, food for them, weld metal plates on trucks to have "battle wagons" of some kind, bussinessmen can buy pickup trucks to use as technicals, and also weapons via back channels.
    Donetsk and Luhansk are big industrial areas, so I think it would be perfectly possible for them to start manufacturing some simple weapons- SMGs, mortars, RRs, as well as ammunition for them. Explosives and gunpowder can be made in areas of chemical industries.
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    Post  George1 Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:54 pm

    Romanian military units moving towards Ukrainian border

    According to information available, in Romania military units are moving towards the eastern borders - a military echelon loaded with anti-aircraft guns, trucks and ground -to- air missile systems has moved via Bucharest towards the Black Sea port of Constanta. The military units are needed for conducting joint military exercises with the participation of the US servicemen and four American F-16 fighter jets, according to the Romanian Defense Ministry officials told newsmen.

    "The maneuvers will be held in compliance with the plan on strategic partnership existing between Romania and the US," Romanian Minister of National Defense Mircea Dusa announced.

    Earlier Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, and Estonia asked NATO to strengthen its military presence in their countries because of the Ukrainian crisis. As soon as it broke out, the AWACS planes started their daily flights over the southern part of Romania, taking off from the NATO air base Gellenkirchen in Germany in order to conduct radar intelligence operations which covered the southern part of Ukraine, Moldova and Crimea.

    At the same time, Romanian President Trian Basescu satisfied Washington’s request to increase the number of marines on the NATO air base in Germany from 1,000 to 1,600. In addition, the Romanian authorities asked official Washington to deploy a squadron of US fighter jets on their territory for the period until 2017.

    The plans of an increase in the US military presence in Romania are being criticized by both politicians and the public in the country. An adviser to Romanian Prime Minister Ionel Blanculescu voiced his fears, saying that the US had turned Romania into a "good target" in case of military escalation in the region.

    From the other hand, a number of Romanian political analysts believe that in view of the events in Ukraine, Bucharest must be well prepared for bringing its troops into the territories of the Odessa and Chernovtsy regions. "Intervention to the north of the Bukovina region, to the south of Bessarabia and Transnistria is becoming inevitable and even necessary, especially in case Ukraine is unable to maintain public order on the territories where the Romanian population lives," an analyst of the popular Romanian newspaper "Adevarul", Dinu Zare, wrote in his article, TASS reports.

    Romania starts to relocate anti-aircraft artillery and rockets

    A train loaded with anti-aircraft guns, trucks and surface-to-air missiles was spotted in Bucharest, the Ukrainian National News (UNN) agency reports.

    The echelon was reportedly bound for Constanza ahead of joint military exercises due to be held by Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia and the United States in the south of Macedonia.
    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_27/Romanian-military-units-moving-towards-Ukrainian-border-2722/

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    Post  arpakola Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:37 pm

    Clashes in Kharkov proMaidan in action...


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    https://www.mi5.gov.uk/careers/current-jobs/job.aspx?id=134

    Just in case if somebody is looking for a job on illegally spying Russia...


    A conversation turns from sport, to the economy, to politics. And you’re there not just to translate it, not just to interpret it; you’re there to add a depth of understanding that enables us to make the right choices to help safeguard national security.

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    Post  arpakola Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:52 pm

    A few months ago was dug anti-tank ditch in the Ukrainian-Russian border, Ukraine.
    That's what use it - watch the video

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    Post  arpakola Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:36 pm

    http://news.liga.net/news/politics/1533757-sizo_sbu_perepolneny_shtatnymi_sotrudnikami_gru_rf_avakov.htm

    СИЗО СБУ переполнены штатными сотрудниками ГРУ РФ - Аваков
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    По словам министра внутренних дел, украинские силовики регулярно задерживают российских шпионов
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:56 pm

    George1 wrote:Romanian military units moving towards Ukrainian border

    According to information available, in Romania military units are moving towards the eastern borders - a military echelon loaded with anti-aircraft guns, trucks and ground -to- air missile systems has moved via Bucharest towards the Black Sea port of Constanta. The military units are needed for conducting joint military exercises with the participation of the US servicemen and four American F-16 fighter jets, according to the Romanian Defense Ministry officials told newsmen.

    "The maneuvers will be held in compliance with the plan on strategic partnership existing between Romania and the US," Romanian Minister of National Defense Mircea Dusa announced.

    Earlier Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, and Estonia asked NATO to strengthen its military presence in their countries because of the Ukrainian crisis. As soon as it broke out, the AWACS planes started their daily flights over the southern part of Romania, taking off from the NATO air base Gellenkirchen in Germany in order to conduct radar intelligence operations which covered the southern part of Ukraine, Moldova and Crimea.

    At the same time, Romanian President Trian Basescu satisfied Washington’s request to increase the number of marines on the NATO air base in Germany from 1,000 to 1,600. In addition, the Romanian authorities asked official Washington to deploy a squadron of US fighter jets on their territory for the period until 2017.

    The plans of an increase in the US military presence in Romania are being criticized by both politicians and the public in the country. An adviser to Romanian Prime Minister Ionel Blanculescu voiced his fears, saying that the US had turned Romania into a "good target" in case of military escalation in the region.

    From the other hand, a number of Romanian political analysts believe that in view of the events in Ukraine, Bucharest must be well prepared for bringing its troops into the territories of the Odessa and Chernovtsy regions. "Intervention to the north of the Bukovina region, to the south of Bessarabia and Transnistria is becoming inevitable and even necessary, especially in case Ukraine is unable to maintain public order on the territories where the Romanian population lives," an analyst of the popular Romanian newspaper "Adevarul", Dinu Zare, wrote in his article, TASS reports.

    Romania starts to relocate anti-aircraft artillery and rockets

    A train loaded with anti-aircraft guns, trucks and surface-to-air missiles was spotted in Bucharest, the Ukrainian National News (UNN) agency reports.

    The echelon was reportedly bound for Constanza ahead of joint military exercises due to be held by Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia and the United States in the south of Macedonia.
    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_27/Romanian-military-units-moving-towards-Ukrainian-border-2722/



    That news... clearly means.. that NATO plans in case Russia invade in the east.. is to send their tanks into Odessa.
    In order to secure that naval port for them ,that is for NATO.. if the country disband.. they simply can claim Odessa as theirs because of romanian citizens.  This clearly shows Russia needs to have Special undercover forces in Odessa with Kornets-D missiles and sabotage forces to have tank mines and possible road side bombs to stop any entry of NATO through that zone. Their Odessa special forces or locals forces friendly to Russia needs to be ready for the invasion of Americans through that zone.. Ukraine can be summarized in just one sentence.. NATO wants to encircle Russian borders with their military bases . thats all you need to know ,about the cause of the Ukrainian unrest ,thats the reason of the 5 billions loan to kiev,thats their only interest ,to use Ukraine for to threaten the security of Russia. If they get Odessa they can deploy patriots there and blockade Crimea airspace with patriot missiles and ABM shield. ,imagine such blatant aggression to Russia security. in one sense it will not be bad they try to deploy patriots missiles and ABM shield there in Odessa ,because im sure Russia will not tolerate such threat to their nation security and Bomb the hell of the defenses . Show how useless their defenses are.

    About MI-5.. don't give them free promotion to that terrorist organization .same to any CIA recruitment crap.
    Those agencies with others NATO ones are the reason of most world major conflicts and flase flags attacks.


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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:27 pm

    It was a really stupid decision for the russian government not give any heavy weapons like metis-M1, RPG-28 or Igla-S to the east ruthenian(that's their correct name) rebels. If they'd had those the right sector apes would've been routed by now with a lot of vehicle casaulties. But no, now the right wing thugs are storming all over the place... Rolling Eyes 
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:50 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:It was a really stupid decision for the russian government not give any heavy weapons like metis-M1, RPG-28 or Igla-S to the east ruthenian(that's their correct name) rebels. If they'd had those the right sector apes would've been routed by now with a lot of vehicle casaulties. But no, now the right wing thugs are storming all over the place... Rolling Eyes 

    Russia is usually Slow in countering NATO interference in their legitimate interest. But they will eventually get it right.  If NATO thinks for a second they will have military bases in Ukraine without at the very least well armed paramilitary groups sabotaging their military installations ,planes and tanks ,then they will be for a big surprise.
    With 8 millions of Russians in Ukraine and couple of other millions other etnic Ukrainians friendly to Russia ,it eastern and souther regions ,it will be a logistical nightmare to defend any military position or base in a zone that civilians are hostile to them. The helicopter that was destroyed recently in a base is just a small hint of what works and what is next.  don't think NATO could ever deploy effectively in Ukraine regardless of which puppet they have in power ,with paramilitary groups friendly to Russia armed to the teeth ,with manpads and 10km range kornets or 30 km range "home made " rockets.. I really think ,It will be very expensive and costly in lives for NATO to have military bases in a zone  that doesnt like them and Russia fully arming  the insurrection. Is like a reversed Afganistan ,but this time Russia arming the insurgents ,insurgents being civilians and Americans and its allies the one attacked. Russia don't need Central or western kiev , They have the support in the Regions that matters the eastern side and the south. So all said ,the Ukraine +NATO project could end in the major disaster for the west. Because they underestimated the support of many civilians to Russia.


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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:57 pm

    The problem is that antiNATO paramilitary isn't "armed to the teeth". Russian intervention would be diplomatic suicide, as I said they should instead give them just massive equipment aide. It would becompletely enough against the galician dogs.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:07 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The problem is that antiNATO paramilitary isn't "armed to the teeth". Russian intervention would be diplomatic suicide, as I said they should instead give them just massive equipment aide. It would becompletely enough against the galician dogs.

    Indeed ..
    But give it time.. If the west continues pushing Russia into a wall , and continues for long a crack down on civilians you will suddenly see Helicopters being shutdown like flies and Tanks being neutralized from long distance. Invading with their real army should be the last resort ,arming the opposition the first option.
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    Post  arpakola Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:46 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    George1 wrote:Romanian military units moving towards Ukrainian border

    According to information available, in Romania military units are moving towards the eastern borders - a military echelon loaded with anti-aircraft guns, trucks and ground -to- air missile systems has moved via Bucharest towards the Black Sea port of Constanta. The military units are needed for conducting joint military exercises with the participation of the US servicemen and four American F-16 fighter jets, according to the Romanian Defense Ministry officials told newsmen.

    "The maneuvers will be held in compliance with the plan on strategic partnership existing between Romania and the US," Romanian Minister of National Defense Mircea Dusa announced.

    Earlier Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, and Estonia asked NATO to strengthen its military presence in their countries because of the Ukrainian crisis. As soon as it broke out, the AWACS planes started their daily flights over the southern part of Romania, taking off from the NATO air base Gellenkirchen in Germany in order to conduct radar intelligence operations which covered the southern part of Ukraine, Moldova and Crimea.

    At the same time, Romanian President Trian Basescu satisfied Washington’s request to increase the number of marines on the NATO air base in Germany from 1,000 to 1,600. In addition, the Romanian authorities asked official Washington to deploy a squadron of US fighter jets on their territory for the period until 2017.

    The plans of an increase in the US military presence in Romania are being criticized by both politicians and the public in the country. An adviser to Romanian Prime Minister Ionel Blanculescu voiced his fears, saying that the US had turned Romania into a "good target" in case of military escalation in the region.

    From the other hand, a number of Romanian political analysts believe that in view of the events in Ukraine, Bucharest must be well prepared for bringing its troops into the territories of the Odessa and Chernovtsy regions. "Intervention to the north of the Bukovina region, to the south of Bessarabia and Transnistria is becoming inevitable and even necessary, especially in case Ukraine is unable to maintain public order on the territories where the Romanian population lives," an analyst of the popular Romanian newspaper "Adevarul", Dinu Zare, wrote in his article, TASS reports.

    Romania starts to relocate anti-aircraft artillery and rockets

    A train loaded with anti-aircraft guns, trucks and surface-to-air missiles was spotted in Bucharest, the Ukrainian National News (UNN) agency reports.

    The echelon was reportedly bound for Constanza ahead of joint military exercises due to be held by Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia and the United States in the south of Macedonia.
    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_27/Romanian-military-units-moving-towards-Ukrainian-border-2722/



    That news... clearly means.. that NATO plans in case Russia invade in the east.. is to send their tanks into Odessa
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    In order to secure that naval port for them ,that is for NATO.. if the country disband.. they simply can claim Odessa as theirs because of romanian citizens.  This clearly shows Russia needs to have Special undercover forces in Odessa with Kornets-D missiles and sabotage forces to have tank mines and possible road side bombs to stop any entry of NATO through that zone. Their Odessa special forces or locals forces friendly to Russia needs to be ready for the invasion of Americans through that zone.. Ukraine can be summarized in just one sentence.. NATO wants to encircle Russian borders with their military bases . thats all you need to know ,about the cause of the Ukrainian unrest ,thats the reason of the 5 billions loan to kiev,thats their only interest ,to use Ukraine for to threaten the security of Russia. If they get Odessa they can deploy patriots there and blockade Crimea airspace with patriot missiles and ABM shield. ,imagine such blatant aggression to Russia security. in one sense it will not be bad they try to deploy patriots missiles and ABM shield there in Odessa ,because im sure Russia will not tolerate such threat to their nation security and Bomb the hell of the defenses . Show how useless their defenses are.  

    About MI-5.. don't give them free promotion to that terrorist organization .same to any CIA recruitment crap.
    Those agencies with others NATO ones are the reason of most world major conflicts and flase flags attacks.

    no  way ...as for Odessa
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    as for the cornet issue.. no need

    if the thugs of Kiev  and the rest of the population think that is ok with what happens in the east ...no need of Kornets..

    60 Kgrs TOTAL of C4 can put out of bussiness the total elecrical Ukranian electrical grid. Imagine Kiev in black for a week or so..


    so as I said dont punch the knife ..  but the belly...
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    Post  navyfield Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:59 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:The problem is that antiNATO paramilitary isn't "armed to the teeth". Russian intervention would be diplomatic suicide, as I said they should instead give them just massive equipment aide. It would becompletely enough against the galician dogs.
    Exaclty. Russia and germany are playing very cool.
    Theres a reason american slut ambassador: fck eu comment was taped and released.
    Germany was in the bandwagon and had its candidate there...thinking russia would back down like the first time and more tolerate if it was EU led action like in lybia...
    But Russians were ready and strong enough this time.
    Now Germany backed down and is very silent.
    USA wants to escalate ,wants EU to slap sanctions on Russia , and vice versa would happen, that would weaken them both.germany would be biggest loser.
    Britain and France are with USA  like in ww2 ,to twarth germanys control over EU ,even if theyll suffer...
    Im sure soldiers in the east can hold on against novice western hunta ,no need for armed intervention and escalations , referendums->joins russia= mission accomplished . russia
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