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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:53 am

    Isn't the Essen commissioned already?.
    Yes but its still in the Baltic.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:43 am

    Hahahaha... Van... why are you posting the expert opinion of some Canadian guy we don't even know...

    I realise the canadian navy is a force to be reckoned with and they lead the world in military technology because all their stuff is American.

    But perhaps he is just butt hurt that Russia makes Russian planes and ships and while there was a time when Canada could make aeroplanes they decided to make inferior American planes instead and have never looked back.

    Perhaps when Canada is no longer Americas bitch then they might be worth listening to... otherwise use your own brain and think before you post crap here please.


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:48 pm

    Alex Riquelme is a grade-A1 gold-plated world-champion fuktard on steroids....  A major league Russophobe who posts endless BS on MSM sites about Russia being the shittiest hole on the planet.  He's a moron and a nobody.....

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miroslav on Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:26 pm

    This is an article that came out recently, it states that the Adm. Makaarov did have some difficulty's during the testing of the Shtil-1 SAM, I mention this because there where words that the officials from the government have criticized the industry (Алмаз-Антей) for the delays with Poliment-Redut and Shtil systems.

    As I commented, we saw (as much as we could) that the Shtil-1 is working and that it is tested on the previous 2 ships and that it is a good system, this article "clearly" indicates that this is an isolated case consecrating the installation on the Adm. Makarov. Fortunately it also seas that the problem is dealt with and that the ship is entering the last phase of tests, probably to confirm that everything is working together as it should.


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:30 pm

    miroslav wrote:This is an article that came out recently, it states that the Adm. Makaarov did have some difficulty's during the testing of the Shtil-1 SAM, I mention this because there where words that the officials from the government have criticized the industry (Алмаз-Антей) for the delays with Poliment-Redut and Shtil systems.

    As I commented, we saw (as much as we could) that the Shtil-1 is working and that it is tested on the previous 2 ships and that it is a good system, this article "clearly" indicates that this is an isolated case consecrating the installation on the Adm. Makarov. Fortunately it also seas that the problem is dealt with and that the ship is entering the last phase of tests, probably to confirm that everything is working together as it should.


    http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%AF%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C9/

    Good to hear! Shtil-1 has been used on various ships including Chinese, so it came as a surprise it had some trouble.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:24 am

    Sweet silhouette photo via Balancers'

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miroslav on Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:34 am

    Finlay some god news on the Adm. Makarov's Shtil-1 system, I doubt that they would release the video if the test wasn't a success.

    Seams that a volley of 2-3 missiles was fired, I love how the ships fire control computer orients the main gun on the target just as son as the missile is lunched in case it goes true, I suppose it does the same with the AK630.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:31 am

    Interesting.
    Not sure there is actually more than 1 launch shown, no intercept shown.
    Better than none though dunno

    Gun turning after the launch is pretty interesting, I wonder if they do that to protect the barrel from the launch gas?
    The Puma is facing target the whole time.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:16 am

    The Admiral Essen has left Kronshtadt and is on its way to Sevastopol... via the Mediterranean sea of course.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:15 am

    Frigate "Admiral Essen" finally goes to the Black Sea Fleet

    On April 28, 2017, the press service of the Southern Military District officially confirmed that the second frigate of Project 11356 "Admiral Essen", built for the Black Sea Fleet (BSF), "began the ransition from the Baltic Fleet to the permanent base" (in Sevastopol).

    On 27 April, the Netherlands Navy Commander and Admiral Benelux, Fleet Lieutenant-General Rob Werkerk, on his page on twitter.com reported that Admiral Essen is on the crossing in the North Sea and near the Dutch coast is accompanied by the Dutch Navy landing ship L 800 Rotterdam.




    The third constructed frigate of the modified project 11356 "Admiral Makarov" is at the factory, and then the state tests since July 2016. Now it is assumed that the ship will be handed over to the Russian Navy in May 2017, and then by the end of the year will also transfer to the Black Sea Fleet. According to the available information, the delay in the State tests of "Admiral Makarov" is connected with the delay in the development of the new 9M317MA anti-aircraft guided missile with an active radar homing head, introduced into the Shtil-1 air defense system.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2576718.html


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:54 am

    So the problems on the Adm Makarov with its Shtil-1 system was due to a new ARH missile variant 9M317MA? Now that is interesting...
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:03 am

    Interesting indeed.

    Apparently the missile is good for 70km on the Buk-3M but limited to 50km on 11356 by the MR-90 fire control radar not having enough power to illuminate a target further out.

    If they're going to that extra effort its even more bizarre that there might be only 3 ships with it.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:31 pm

    hoom wrote:Interesting indeed.

    Apparently the missile is good for 70km on the Buk-3M but limited to 50km on 11356 by the MR-90 fire control radar not having enough power to illuminate a target further out.

    If they're going to that extra effort its even more bizarre that there might be only 3 ships with it.

    Not that bizarre, there could be more than 3 and don't forget that Steregushi class also uses Shtil

    Also, exports

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  chicken on Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:14 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    don't forget that Steregushi class also uses Shtil


    Which one?
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:38 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    hoom wrote:Interesting indeed.

    Apparently the missile is good for 70km on the Buk-3M but limited to 50km on 11356 by the MR-90 fire control radar not having enough power to illuminate a target further out.

    If they're going to that extra effort its even more bizarre that there might be only 3 ships with it.

    Not that bizarre, there could be more than 3 and don't forget that Steregushi class also uses Shtil

    Also, exports

    Papadragon,

    You are the master of mixing up things.

    Steregushy (pr. 20380) class does not use Shtil. It uses Redut.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:49 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:....
    Papadragon,

    You are the master of mixing up things.

    Steregushy (pr. 20380) class does not use Shtil. It uses Redut.

    Well crap.... cry

    But how the heck are these in use and Gorshkov that uses same thing has issues?
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:18 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:....
    Papadragon,

    You are the master of mixing up things.

    Steregushy (pr. 20380) class does not use Shtil. It uses Redut.

    Well crap.... cry

    But how the heck are these in use and Gorshkov that uses same thing has issues?

    Here are two good statements to go by:

    - Many of the issues that you hear on forums exist only on forums.
    - There will never be a shortage of emotional, loud and expressive drama queens.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:29 am

    But how the heck are these in use and Gorshkov that uses same thing has issues?
    Well this is the great mystery...
    One rumor is that it only sort of works on the 20380s ie they can hit relatively straight, slow, close &/or high flying things so it 'works' but won't have a chance of taking out more complex targets that the system is supposed to be able to deal with.

    I keep on hoping/expecting to see some news about upgrading the Furke (essentially the Pantsir-S1 radar) to something more powerful (like at least the Pantsir-S2 radar) but I can understand prioritising other stuff first.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Isos on Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:52 pm

    hoom wrote:
    But how the heck are these in use and Gorshkov that uses same thing has issues?
    Well this is the great mystery...
    One rumor is that it only sort of works on the 20380s ie they can hit relatively straight, slow, close &/or high flying things so it 'works' but won't have a chance of taking out more complex targets that the system is supposed to be able to deal with.

    I keep on hoping/expecting to see some news about upgrading the Furke (essentially the Pantsir-S1 radar) to something more powerful (like at least the Pantsir-S2 radar) but I can understand prioritising other stuff first.

    Steregouchy use uses the small missiles, 9M96 which according to some articles can have IR seeker against stealth fighters. The problem, from what I understood, is with guidance of the bigger 9M96E2 missiles. The radar are not the same too. Gorshkov uses bigger and newer radar.

    Maybe they tried to use the same software on both while they need new one for Gorshkov.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 02, 2017 6:25 am

    the two 9m96 missiles are active radar guided and have radar noses... they have both been shown in public before.

    the smaller 9M100 missile uses IIR guidance and will be used across the services... as a short range AAM for fighters and bombers for the air force, for a short range SAM for the Army, for a CIWS missile for the navy for ships and possibly even subs.


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  George1 on Wed May 03, 2017 12:57 am

    Shtil-1 SAM system on fire!  attack  russia

    Rocket firing of the frigate "Admiral Makarov"

    Interesting report of the Zvezda TV channel on May 2, 2017 on missile firing of the Shtil-1 anti-aircraft missile system passing State tests in the Baltic Sea of ​​the third built for the Russian Navy frigate modified project 11356 Admiral Makarov. A simultaneous launch of four anti-aircraft guided missiles (9M317M or 9M317MA) was made
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed May 03, 2017 2:10 am


    This would explain the delay.

    I guess you really can teach old dog new tricks... thumbsup
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Wed May 03, 2017 2:41 pm

    Now that is a multiple-launch!
    Apparently the Polish intel ship we see several shots of got in the way a few times.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  kvs on Thu May 04, 2017 2:56 am

    hoom wrote:Now that is a multiple-launch!
    Apparently the Polish intel ship we see several shots of got in the way a few times.

    Kurva!

    PS. Russia does not make anything.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Isos on Mon May 08, 2017 5:07 pm

    What do you think of my version of Grigorovitch frigate ?? I added 1 more UKSK instead of the RBU luncher and 3more gibka for air defence. Paket nk insead of RBU can be placed like on Steregoushchy so it has full anti ship and anti sub capabilities and has a new line of defence with IR missiles.


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