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    Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:42 pm

    Project 22350 Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Class Listing
    Unit Shipyard Fleet Chronology Notes  
    # number Name  Laid Down  Launched  Comm.  Stricken  
    1  Admiral Sergei Gorshkov SY 190  02 Feb 2006  2009-2011  Being Sold to India
    2  ---------- SY 190    2012  2007 - 3 or 4 by 2015
    3  ---------- SY 190    2013  2007 - 3 or 4 by 2015
    4  ---------- SY 190    2014  2007 - 3 or 4 by 2015
    5  ---------- SY 190    2015  2007 - 3 or 4 by 2015
    6  ---------- SY 190    2016  2006 - at least 10 needed
    7  ---------- SY 190    2017  2006 - at least 10 needed
    8  ---------- SY 190    2018  2006 - at least 10 needed
    9  ---------- SY 190    2019  2006 - at least 10 needed
    10  ---------- SY 190    2020  2006 - at least 10 needed
    11  ---------- SY 190    2021  2006 - up to 20 possible
    12  ---------- SY 190    2021  2006 - up to 20 possible
    13  ---------- SY 190    2022  2006 - up to 20 possible
    14  ---------- SY 190    2022  2006 - up to 20 possible
    15  ---------- SY 190    2023  2006 - up to 20 possible
    16  ---------- SY 190    2023  2006 - up to 20 possible
    17  ---------- SY 190    2024  2006 - up to 20 possible
    18  ---------- SY 190    2024  2006 - up to 20 possible
    19  ---------- SY 190    2025  2006 - up to 20 possible
    20  ---------- SY 190    2025  2006 - up to 20 possible


    It has been announced as of last week that the second ship of the class is under construction.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:27 pm

    The source of info:

    Construction of 2nd Adm. Gorshkov class frigate to start in 2009
    RIA Novosti

    16:3624/06/2009 ST. PETERSBURG, June 24 (RIA Novosti) - The construction of a second Admiral Gorshkov class frigate will begin this year in St. Petersburg, Russian Navy Commander Adm. Vladimir Vysotsky said on Wednesday.

    The first Admiral Gorshkov class vessel is being built at the St. Petersburg-based Severnaya Verf shipyard, and will be launched in 2011.

    "We will start construction of the second frigate at this shipyard in addition to existing orders under the state arms procurement program," Vysotsky said at the opening of the International Naval Show in St. Petersburg.

    Severnaya Verf started building the Admiral Sergei Gorshkov frigate - the first in the series - in February 2006. According to military sources, Russia's Navy intends to procure up to 20 such vessels.

    The frigate has a displacement of about 4,500 metric tons, a length of over 130 meters (430 feet), a maximum width of 16 meters (51 feet), and a range of over 4,000 miles.

    The main weapons of the ship are reported to include eight SS-NX-26 Yakhont anti-ship cruise missiles, a new 130-mm gun mount, a Medvedka-2 ASW system, and a Hurricane medium-range air defense missile system.

    "We intend to sharply increase the construction of ships of the main classes, and we have already taken the first steps in this direction," the admiral said.

    However, the Navy commander said Russia could order a number of warships abroad.

    "We do not rule out the possibility of buying foreign-made vessels," he said in answer to a reporter's question.

    Russia has not purchased warships abroad since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

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    Russia starts construction of 2nd Adm. Gorshkov class frigate

    Post  Viktor on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:29 pm

    All this construction of Russia surface fleet seems a bit to slow.



    Russia starts construction of 2nd Adm. Gorshkov class frigate

    14:2024/11/2009
    ST. PETERSBURG, November 24 (RIA Novosti) - The Severnaya Verf shipyard in St Petersburg said on Tuesday it will begin construction of a new frigate for the Russian Navy on November 26.

    The Admiral Kasatonov is a second Admiral Gorshkov class frigate designed to carry out long-range strike, anti-submarine and escort missions in distant maritime zones.

    The frigate has a displacement of about 4,500 metric tons, a length of over 130 meters (430 feet), a maximum width of 16 meters (51 feet), and a range of over 4,000 miles.

    The main weapons of the ship are reported to include eight SS-NX-26 Yakhont anti-ship cruise missiles, a new 130-mm gun mount, a Medvedka-2 ASW system, and a Hurricane medium-range air defense missile system.

    The first Admiral Gorshkov class vessel is being built at the Severnaya Verf shipyard, and will be launched in 2011.

    According to military sources, Russia's Navy intends to procure up to 20 such vessels

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    2nd 22350 Frigate laid November 26

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:19 pm

    The first serial frigate far and near offshore areas "Admiral Kasatonov" will be held at the Northern Wharf

    25/11/2009

    ST PETERSBURG, November 24. (ITAR-TASS). Domestic shipbuilding industry starts to serial construction project 22350 frigates for the Navy of Russia. Bookmark of the first serial of the ship such appointments "Admiral Kasatonov" scheduled for November 26 at the shipyard Severnaya Verf.

    As reported today, Itar-Tass in the Company's management, on the occasion of a ceremony bookmark with representatives of the Navy Command of Russia, St Petersburg city administration, heads of enterprises, research institutes and design shipbuilding industry.

    In 2006 there was built the lead ship of a series of frigates "Admiral Gorshkov" in the Navy, he must enter the country in 2011 frigate is designed for the fighting in the far and near sea areas, as well as for participation in solving problems in the ocean zone. Developer - JSC "Northern Design Bureau (SPKB, St. Petersburg).

    The ship has a displacement of about 4500 tons, length - more than 130 m, width - more than 16 meters Range - more than 4 thousand miles. Seakeeping without restrictions. The ship is provided by basing the helicopter.

    At the Northern Wharf in the building for the Navy of Russia are the three corvettes, a special vessel communication, carried out repairs of a large antisubmarine ship "Vice-Admiral Kulakov.

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    Russia starts construction of 2nd Adm. Gorshkov class frigate!

    Post  Russian Patriot on Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:01 pm

    Russia starts construction of 2nd Adm. Gorshkov class frigate
    RIA Novosti

    24/11/200914:20

    ST. PETERSBURG, November 24 (RIA Novosti) - The Severnaya Verf shipyard in St Petersburg said on Tuesday it will begin construction of a new frigate for the Russian Navy on November 26.

    The Admiral Kasatonov is a second Admiral Gorshkov class frigate designed to carry out long-range strike, anti-submarine and escort missions in distant maritime zones.

    The frigate has a displacement of about 4,500 metric tons, a length of over 130 meters (430 feet), a maximum width of 16 meters (51 feet), and a range of over 4,000 miles.

    The main weapons of the ship are reported to include eight SS-NX-26 Yakhont anti-ship cruise missiles, a new 130-mm gun mount, a Medvedka-2 ASW system, and a Hurricane medium-range air defense missile system.

    The first Admiral Gorshkov class vessel is being built at the Severnaya Verf shipyard, and will be launched in 2011.

    According to military sources, Russia's Navy intends to procure up to 20 such vessels.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2009/russia-091124-rianovosti02.htm

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:41 am


    Russia floats out first of new class of frigate


    Russia's first Project 22350 frigate was floated out at the Severnaya Verf shipyard in St. Petersburg on Friday.


    The Admiral Gorshkov frigate will be able to execute long-range strike, anti-submarine and escort missions in remote areas.

    However, it will be some time yet before it enters service because the ship is only 40% complete, officials said.

    The next Gorshkov-class frigate, the Admiral Kasatonov, is under construction and expected to be launched in 2012.

    The Russian Navy will receive up to 10 new ocean-going frigates in the next 10 years, a Defense Ministry source said.

    The Russian Navy needs between 20 and 30 such frigates, which will be the 21st century's main ocean-going surface ship.

    The Admiral Gorshkov has a displacement of 4,500 tons, a speed of 29 knots, a range of 4000 nm at 14 knots, and endurance of 15 days.

    It has a crew of 210 and an assortment of weaponry, including a 130 mm A-192 gun, a Kashtan close-in weapon system (CIWS), eight Oniks 3M55 (SS-N-26) anti-ship missiles, the Shtil I (SA-N-12 "Grizzly") medium range antiaircraft missile complex, four 533mm torpedo tubes, RPK-9 Medvedka-VE (SS-N-29) anti-submarine rockets, and 24 Uragan SAM missiles.

    It also carries a Ka-27 or Ka-32 helicopter.

    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20101029/161134416.html

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Viktor on Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:31 am

    I have read all the differen articles about its armaments, so does anybody really knows?

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:12 pm

    It hasn't been fitted out yet, but its weapons should be the same as listed. My only question is if the Shtil will be VLS or mounted.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Viktor on Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:24 pm

    I hoped for 9M96 missiles as said somewhere in VLS configuration.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:20 am

    It has a crew of 210 and an assortment of weaponry, including a 130 mm A-192 gun, a Kashtan close-in weapon system (CIWS), eight Oniks 3M55 (SS-N-26) anti-ship missiles, the Shtil I (SA-N-12 "Grizzly") medium range antiaircraft missile complex, four 533mm torpedo tubes, RPK-9 Medvedka-VE (SS-N-29) anti-submarine rockets, and 24 Uragan SAM missiles.

    Looks like we are in luck... Smile

    the Shtil I (SA-N-12 "Grizzly") medium range antiaircraft missile complex,

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    24 Uragan SAM missiles.

    I think the 24 Uragan SAMs come as part of the Shtil-1 missile complex... Smile

    I have read speculation that the vessel will have the Poliment radar and the Redut missiles that were developed with them.

    If it does have Shtil-1 then it will be the vertical launch bin version.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:49 am

    GarryB wrote:

    If it does have Shtil-1 then it will be the vertical launch bin version.

    Talwar is described as having Shtil-1 yet it doesn't have VLS... so we just have to see.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:59 am

    Shtil-1 is the name of the system I think.

    Uragan is the name of the missile.

    I would expect that the vertical launch system for Uragan would be cheaper and simpler than a single arm launcher and also offer advantages in rate of fire and ready to fire rounds etc.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:37 am

    Your expectations would be wrong. Launch tubes costs millions of dollars.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Robert.V on Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:57 pm

    The sam system will be Redut and not Shtil.

    If Gorshkov ever get's exported it may feature Shtil in vls form but that's a big maybe since the shtil vls is only on paper.


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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:16 am

    Your expectations would be wrong. Launch tubes costs millions of dollars.

    Arm launchers are not cheaper, and cost more in maintainence and lower performance.

    From a fault perspective a failure of an arm launcher means the whole system is useless.

    A fault in a VLS means perhaps one missile will fail.

    If they are going to be consistent with their demands for new stuff that is better then there is no point going back to the arm launcher if the VLS launcher is operational.

    Another advantage of the VLS launcher is that it can be loaded as a block on the Pier which also means it can change armament rapidly too.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:48 am


    Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov Class Frigate


    Export version of Gorshkov Project 22356 Frigate

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Viktor on Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:55 am

    Whats that S-300 radar in the upper second picture about?

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Robert.V on Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:50 am

    For the Redut complex.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:31 pm

    Robert.V wrote:For the Redut complex.

    Are you sure , the position of the radar indicates its a Long Range Air Search Radar.

    Can you id the radar ?

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:53 pm

    On a second thought it looks identical to MFMTR X-band radar seen on Vityaz SAM

    http://www.dtig.org/docs/MSAM-MRADS-Vityaz.pdf

    It could be the FCR radar for Redut-K system.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Robert.V on Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:35 pm

    Yeah, Redut is the name of navalized Vityaz.

    thanks i was looking for that pdf.





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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Viktor on Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:50 am

    So the are going for navalized S-400 in VLS. Excellent.

    Now the main question is numbers. I doubt they would put AESA radar/9M96 missiles for anything less than 48.

    And another one ... can we hope to see onboard Gorskhov 48N6/40N6 or do we have to wait for destroyer for it.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:33 am

    Viktor wrote:And another one ... can we hope to see onboard Gorskhov 48N6/40N6 or do we have to wait for destroyer for it.

    40N6 or 48N6 is a big missile ,we will see the smaller 9m96 on Gorshkov , the big missile will be on the new destroyer or even the new Cruiser that they are retrofitting to put into operational service.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  IronsightSniper on Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:02 pm

    How much exactly does the 40N6 weigh? I personally think the S-400 is a great system and it's 400 km range will be just the better for a Naval situation.

    Unfortunately, Wikipedia isn't that helpful, and does not list the weight of the 40N6, but due to the Russian's trend of creasing missile weight while increasing performance, I might bet that it's lower than 420 kg, which is the weight of the 9M96E2.

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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:28 pm

    Viktor wrote:So the are going for navalized S-400 in VLS. Excellent.

    Now the main question is numbers. I doubt they would put AESA radar/9M96 missiles for anything less than 48.

    And another one ... can we hope to see onboard Gorskhov 48N6/40N6 or do we have to wait for destroyer for it.

    No and no...

    Gorshkov has 3D Fregat radar so not capable of using any Triumf missiles. Nor does it have the depth to use anything other than the 9M96 from S-400. It will require bigger ships to use such a system and there are none on the board that we know of.

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