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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  franco on Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:22 pm

    George1 wrote:
    KALININGRAD, January 3. /TASS/. Russia’s third Project 11356 frigate Admiral Makarov that was to be commissioned at the end of 2016 will continue state trials this year, Roman Martov, a spokesman for the Russian Baltic Fleet, said on Tuesday.

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    http://tass.com/defense/923724

    Sounds like re the tests that they are worried about shaft problems after it's accident.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:12 pm

    It was Essen the 2nd ship that had the accident not Makarov the 3rd.

    Google translate wrote:According to Martov, special attention will be paid to the work of the power unit, steering control system, communications, detection and navigation equipment and anchor handling equipment. The ship’s speed and maneuvering capabilities, its armament and aircraft system will be tested as well.
    Sounds more like a workmanship/component quality issue, or they just didn't get round to completing the full suite of tests yet (despite saying they had).
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:19 pm

    The Adm. Essen is now repaired and back in base.

    Rumors that Adm. Essen and its sister ship (Adm. Makarov) will sail together to the Black Sea in the spring.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:20 am

    Adm. Makarov will be accepted into service after tests launches of Shtil rockets.

    http://vpk-news.ru/news/34675
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:50 pm

    This whole thing with the angled Sthil launcher & not having actually tested the VLS yet seems very odd Suspect
    Could there be some kind of import substitution issue involved?
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:53 pm

    hoom wrote:This whole thing with the angled Sthil launcher & not having actually tested the VLS yet seems very odd Suspect
    Could there be some kind of import substitution issue involved?

    Where are you getting the angled part from?
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Militarov on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:05 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    hoom wrote:This whole thing with the angled Sthil launcher & not having actually tested the VLS yet seems very odd Suspect
    Could there be some kind of import substitution issue involved?

    Where are you getting the angled part from?

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:08 pm

    A single missile and launcher.  I am thinking of something else.  But if it is, it is strange.  Maybe an addition on being tested for future before being implemented as a VLS?
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:20 pm

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3945112
    Google Translate wrote:"In the sea of ​​the Baltic Fleet frigate landfills" Admiral Makarov "performed the test firing of SAM" Calm "by cruise missile imaginary enemy", - Martin said. He noted that to this stage of tests was drawn about 10 warships and support vessels fleet.
    A spokesman for the Baltic Shipyard "Yantar" Sergei Mikhailov told Tass that the shooting was planned for late 2016, but they had to be postponed due to "unfavorable hydrometeorological conditions in the Baltic Sea."
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Isos on Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:25 pm

    What is he saying about french frigate ?

    PS : you can see what a kalibr does to the luncher at 1min16. Hot lunches.




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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:07 pm

    Putin's Russia doing always what it knows how to do best.
    Being the laughing joke of the world. 




    It seems Russia navy is trying to take the title away of Britain ,of the worse 
    conditions navy in the world. Look at the Smoke , and this is supposed to be
    Russia "most modern" ,"state of the art" warship. everyone making laughs about 
    Russia "obsolete navy" , whether this is true or not , is not what matters. But what
    more matters in a time of peace Nation image and military strenght is everything. Russia will never encourage respect on its nation if their warship throw more smoke than a coal burning plant. And this  is bad for the image of Russia. If Russia intention is deterrence and security for SYria , then having their best warships in service ,becoming a joke for the poor condition of
    its engines ,is not definitevely the best way for Mr Putin to project strenght.   

    just a few comments from the report so people see what kind of 
    image Russia is sending to the world. 




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    what are you guys using coal ? that thing smokes more than your aircraft carrier bwahahahhahahahahahahah you should put on a few pigs up there and let them smoke away nicely.


    Alex Riquelme · 
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    they cant even send a destroyer? just an old frigate? maybe they are planing on taking the entire US sixth fleet with 1 frigate lol



    WW2GM[size=11]5 hours ago


    krazy bzs its too much actually, engines are not in good condition, combustion is not working well..


    WW2GM2 hours ago

    Bear Ted E. actually, normal naval engines are preheated, so it does not have problems with expanding...
    this should not happen, its too much smoke even for a Diesel and turbines...
    i work in one of the 5 portuguese frigates, and those never make as much smoke as this one...



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    https://sputniknews.com/military/201702271051091162-russia-sends-frigate-syrian-shores/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nYINKXdgLs

    So there you have it.. instead of people discussing Russian navy power , you 
    have Europeans and Americans discussing the poor quality conditions of Russian
    engines in their warships. And it was no different with Russia aircraft carrier ,that also
    made headlines and not for anything good. but for poor performance too. Good thing is Russia have many nukes.. but Russia should not be relying only on them for deterrence. Russian nuclear inventory did not saved the Russian pilot shut down by TUrkey ,neither is helping much to help Syria to avoid being partitioned by NATO.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:06 pm

    Just as crazy as your view, how about all the smokiness is a plot to lull the rest of the world into a false sense of 'crap' Russian Navy.

    Seriously, who in any position of power takes any notice of a few ignoramuses like the ones you quoted?
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Singular_Transform on Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:04 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Putin's Russia doing always what it knows how to do best.
    Being the laughing joke of the world. 




    It seems Russia navy is trying to take the title away of Britain ,of the worse 
    conditions navy in the world. Look at the Smoke , and this is supposed to be
    Russia "most modern" ,"state of the art" warship. everyone making laughs about 
    Russia "obsolete navy" , whether this is true or not , is not what matters. But what
    more matters in a time of peace Nation image and military strenght is everything. Russia will never encourage respect on its nation if their warship throw more smoke than a coal burning plant. And this  is bad for the image of Russia. If Russia intention is deterrence and security for SYria , then having their best warships in service ,becoming a joke for the poor condition of
    its engines ,is not definitevely the best way for Mr Putin to project strenght.   

    The ammount of smoke (this magnitude) is a design decisin by the designer of the engine control system.

    Triangle: you can choose two from the next tree: performance, low consumption and low emission.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:15 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Putin's Russia doing always what it knows how to do best.
    Being the laughing joke of the world. 
    ................
    It seems Russia navy is trying to take the title away of Britain ,of the worse 
    conditions navy in the world. Look at the Smoke , and this is supposed to be
    Russia "most modern" ,"state of the art" warship. everyone making laughs about 
    Russia "obsolete navy" , whether this is true or not , is not what matters. But what
    more matters in a time of peace Nation image and military strenght is everything. Russia will never encourage respect on its nation if their warship throw more smoke than a coal burning plant. And this  is bad for the image of Russia. If Russia intention is deterrence and security for SYria , then having their best warships in service ,becoming a joke for the poor condition of
    its engines ,is not definitevely the best way for Mr Putin to project strenght.   

    just a few comments from the report so people see what kind of 
    image Russia is sending to the world. 
    ...........................
    So there you have it.. instead of people discussing Russian navy power , you 
    have Europeans and Americans discussing the poor quality conditions of Russian
    engines in their warships. And it was no different with Russia aircraft carrier ,that also
    made headlines and not for anything good. but for poor performance too. Good thing is Russia have many nukes.. but Russia should not be relying only on them for deterrence. Russian nuclear inventory did not saved the Russian pilot shut down by TUrkey ,neither is helping much to help Syria to avoid being partitioned by NATO
    .

    Retard factor is powerful in this one... lol1

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Honesroc on Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:06 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Putin's Russia doing always what it knows how to do best.
    Being the laughing joke of the world. 


    It seems Russia navy is trying to take the title away of Britain ,of the worse 
    conditions navy in the world. Look at the Smoke , and this is supposed to be
    Russia "most modern" ,"state of the art" warship. everyone making laughs about 
    Russia "obsolete navy" , whether this is true or not , is not what matters. But what
    more matters in a time of peace Nation image and military strenght is everything. Russia will never encourage respect on its nation if their warship throw more smoke than a coal burning plant. And this  is bad for the image of Russia. If Russia intention is deterrence and security for SYria , then having their best warships in service ,becoming a joke for the poor condition of
    its engines ,is not definitevely the best way for Mr Putin to project strenght.   

    just a few comments from the report so people see what kind of 
    image Russia is sending to the world. 



    https://sputniknews.com/military/201702271051091162-russia-sends-frigate-syrian-shores/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nYINKXdgLs

    So there you have it.. instead of people discussing Russian navy power , you 
    have Europeans and Americans discussing the poor quality conditions of Russian
    engines in their warships. And it was no different with Russia aircraft carrier ,that also
    made headlines and not for anything good. but for poor performance too. Good thing is Russia have many nukes.. but Russia should not be relying only on them for deterrence. Russian nuclear inventory did not saved the Russian pilot shut down by TUrkey ,neither is helping much to help Syria to avoid being partitioned by NATO.

    This is an amazing display of idiocy and shallowness. "Vann gonna Vann", as a former poster once put it so eloquently.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:36 pm

    I dunno about the smoke but Grigorovich is making yet another excursion to the Med.
    Its maintaining a very high operational tempo.
    Imagine how active they will be when the other 2 ships arrive? Or if they ever get the 2nd group of 3.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:01 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Putin's Russia doing always what it knows how to do best.
    Being the laughing joke of the world. 
    ................
    It seems Russia navy is trying to take the title away of Britain ,of the worse 
    conditions navy in the world. Look at the Smoke , and this is supposed to be
    Russia "most modern" ,"state of the art" warship. everyone making laughs about 
    Russia "obsolete navy" , whether this is true or not , is not what matters. But what
    more matters in a time of peace Nation image and military strenght is everything. Russia will never encourage respect on its nation if their warship throw more smoke than a coal burning plant. And this  is bad for the image of Russia. If Russia intention is deterrence and security for SYria , then having their best warships in service ,becoming a joke for the poor condition of
    its engines ,is not definitevely the best way for Mr Putin to project strenght.   

    just a few comments from the report so people see what kind of 
    image Russia is sending to the world. 
    ...........................
    So there you have it.. instead of people discussing Russian navy power , you 
    have Europeans and Americans discussing the poor quality conditions of Russian
    engines in their warships. And it was no different with Russia aircraft carrier ,that also
    made headlines and not for anything good. but for poor performance too. Good thing is Russia have many nukes.. but Russia should not be relying only on them for deterrence. Russian nuclear inventory did not saved the Russian pilot shut down by TUrkey ,neither is helping much to help Syria to avoid being partitioned by NATO
    .

    Retard factor is powerful in this one... lol1

    In all fairness I don't think he understands anything that had to do with how the Breakup of the USSR destroyed Russia's ability to produce ships for over a decade, I guess he thinks you can just snap your fingers and problems solved?. The guy clearly lacks knowledge and basic comprehension skills.

    I guess he thinks he could have done a better job then Putin with the state Russia was in?. If so...well he is off his meds.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:02 pm

    hoom wrote:I dunno about the smoke but Grigorovich is making yet another excursion to the Med.
    Its maintaining a very high operational tempo.
    Imagine how active they will be when the other 2 ships arrive? Or if they ever get the 2nd group of 3.

    Isn't the Essen commissioned already?.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:22 pm


    @SeigSoloyvov

    Vann's rants are legendary in their stupidity

    He recently suggested that Russia is failed state because their helicopters are not made of graphene which would make them indestructible. (I am not making this up!!!)

    Because it makes perfect sense.

    Must be that warp engine development is eating up all the budget funds... lol1

    And MoD is late with lightsaber deliveries to Naval Infantry. Incompetent scum!
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:49 pm

    Graphene makes choppies immune!!!

    My gawd I need to tell my MoD this!!!.

    Well those funds went to train the First regiment of Russian werebears.

    that at three stories high and have a roar so powerful all of NATO would be destoryed.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:53 am

    Isn't the Essen commissioned already?.
    Yes but its still in the Baltic.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:43 am

    Hahahaha... Van... why are you posting the expert opinion of some Canadian guy we don't even know...

    I realise the canadian navy is a force to be reckoned with and they lead the world in military technology because all their stuff is American.

    But perhaps he is just butt hurt that Russia makes Russian planes and ships and while there was a time when Canada could make aeroplanes they decided to make inferior American planes instead and have never looked back.

    Perhaps when Canada is no longer Americas bitch then they might be worth listening to... otherwise use your own brain and think before you post crap here please.


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:48 am

    Alex Riquelme is a grade-A1 gold-plated world-champion fuktard on steroids....  A major league Russophobe who posts endless BS on MSM sites about Russia being the shittiest hole on the planet.  He's a moron and a nobody.....

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miroslav on Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:26 pm

    This is an article that came out recently, it states that the Adm. Makaarov did have some difficulty's during the testing of the Shtil-1 SAM, I mention this because there where words that the officials from the government have criticized the industry (Алмаз-Антей) for the delays with Poliment-Redut and Shtil systems.

    As I commented, we saw (as much as we could) that the Shtil-1 is working and that it is tested on the previous 2 ships and that it is a good system, this article "clearly" indicates that this is an isolated case consecrating the installation on the Adm. Makarov. Fortunately it also seas that the problem is dealt with and that the ship is entering the last phase of tests, probably to confirm that everything is working together as it should.


    http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%AF%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C9/
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:30 pm

    miroslav wrote:This is an article that came out recently, it states that the Adm. Makaarov did have some difficulty's during the testing of the Shtil-1 SAM, I mention this because there where words that the officials from the government have criticized the industry (Алмаз-Антей) for the delays with Poliment-Redut and Shtil systems.

    As I commented, we saw (as much as we could) that the Shtil-1 is working and that it is tested on the previous 2 ships and that it is a good system, this article "clearly" indicates that this is an isolated case consecrating the installation on the Adm. Makarov. Fortunately it also seas that the problem is dealt with and that the ship is entering the last phase of tests, probably to confirm that everything is working together as it should.


    http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%AF%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C9/

    Good to hear! Shtil-1 has been used on various ships including Chinese, so it came as a surprise it had some trouble.

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