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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:19 pm

    franco wrote:
    miroslav wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Admiral Makarov has concluded State tests


    So can I be the first to ask, what is that launch tube behind the main gun on top of the SAM vertical tubes.

    Looks like the top of a Stihl missile coming out of it.

    The 11356 is equipped with a single Stihl-1 missile launcher with 24 missiles.  

    That's true for the Talwar. Grigo class is meant to have Shtil VLS. I don't know what miroslav spotted, good eyes.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  franco on Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:28 pm

    I checked the specs and you are correct... but it sure looks like someone forgot to notify the shipyard. Will have to find some overhead shots to confirm.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miroslav on Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:32 am

    [quote="KiloGolf"]
    franco wrote:
    miroslav wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Admiral Makarov has concluded State tests

    So can I be the first to ask, what is that launch tube behind the main gun on top of the SAM vertical tubes.

    Looks like the top of a Stihl missile coming out of it.

    The 11356 is equipped with a single Stihl-1 missile launcher with 24 missiles.  

    That's true for the Talwar. Grigo class is meant to have Shtil VLS. I don't know what miroslav spotted, good eyes.

    Well it obliviously is not a launcher like the one you find on a Talwar or a Sovremeny. It's looks like some "improvised" fixed test launch tube. Definitely very rudimentary, just a tube and legs to hold it. But it look like the Shtil VLS is there, the bulge behind the gun, but the mystery tube with a missile sticking out is placed directly across it.

    I first tout that they are using some sort of a missile target to launch and have one of the 20380 corvettes shoot it down but then I tout that they are probably using an older version of the Shtil missile like the ones on Talwar and/or Sovremeny for test and evaluation purposes before testing the vertically launched ones, to confirm the proper function of the targeting and illuminating radars.

    Who knows how old this video is, it might be from the beginning of the weapons trials period.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:30 am

    probably using an older version of the Shtil missile like the ones on Talwar and/or Sovremeny for test and evaluation purposes before testing the vertically launched ones, to confirm the proper function of the targeting and illuminating radars.
    Could be.
    People had spotted this over at Balancer forum back in October when it was starting tests but didn't come up with anything like a good explanation



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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miroslav on Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:28 pm



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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:49 am

    Via Balancer forum Essen in drydock posted on 13th

    Also rumor that the remaining 3* will be completed for Russia after all (pinch of salt)
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  zg18 on Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:59 pm

    "Admiral Grigorovich" and Kalibr VLS


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:46 pm

    KALININGRAD, January 3. /TASS/. Russia’s third Project 11356 frigate Admiral Makarov that was to be commissioned at the end of 2016 will continue state trials this year, Roman Martov, a spokesman for the Russian Baltic Fleet, said on Tuesday.

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    http://tass.com/defense/923724


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:19 pm

    Apparently Essen left drydock on 22nd Dec (via Balancer forum)


    Also a nice closeup of antennae


    And some xmas/new year fun (Headline: Putin weaponises snowmen!)

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Militarov on Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:27 pm

    hoom wrote:Also a nice closeup of antennae



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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  franco on Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:22 pm

    George1 wrote:
    KALININGRAD, January 3. /TASS/. Russia’s third Project 11356 frigate Admiral Makarov that was to be commissioned at the end of 2016 will continue state trials this year, Roman Martov, a spokesman for the Russian Baltic Fleet, said on Tuesday.

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    http://tass.com/defense/923724

    Sounds like re the tests that they are worried about shaft problems after it's accident.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:12 am

    It was Essen the 2nd ship that had the accident not Makarov the 3rd.

    Google translate wrote:According to Martov, special attention will be paid to the work of the power unit, steering control system, communications, detection and navigation equipment and anchor handling equipment. The ship’s speed and maneuvering capabilities, its armament and aircraft system will be tested as well.
    Sounds more like a workmanship/component quality issue, or they just didn't get round to completing the full suite of tests yet (despite saying they had).
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:19 pm

    The Adm. Essen is now repaired and back in base.

    Rumors that Adm. Essen and its sister ship (Adm. Makarov) will sail together to the Black Sea in the spring.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:20 pm

    Adm. Makarov will be accepted into service after tests launches of Shtil rockets.

    http://vpk-news.ru/news/34675
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:50 am

    This whole thing with the angled Sthil launcher & not having actually tested the VLS yet seems very odd Suspect
    Could there be some kind of import substitution issue involved?
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:53 am

    hoom wrote:This whole thing with the angled Sthil launcher & not having actually tested the VLS yet seems very odd Suspect
    Could there be some kind of import substitution issue involved?

    Where are you getting the angled part from?
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Militarov on Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:05 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    hoom wrote:This whole thing with the angled Sthil launcher & not having actually tested the VLS yet seems very odd Suspect
    Could there be some kind of import substitution issue involved?

    Where are you getting the angled part from?

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:08 am

    A single missile and launcher.  I am thinking of something else.  But if it is, it is strange.  Maybe an addition on being tested for future before being implemented as a VLS?
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:20 am

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3945112
    Google Translate wrote:"In the sea of ​​the Baltic Fleet frigate landfills" Admiral Makarov "performed the test firing of SAM" Calm "by cruise missile imaginary enemy", - Martin said. He noted that to this stage of tests was drawn about 10 warships and support vessels fleet.
    A spokesman for the Baltic Shipyard "Yantar" Sergei Mikhailov told Tass that the shooting was planned for late 2016, but they had to be postponed due to "unfavorable hydrometeorological conditions in the Baltic Sea."
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:25 am

    What is he saying about french frigate ?

    PS : you can see what a kalibr does to the luncher at 1min16. Hot lunches.




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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:07 pm

    Putin's Russia doing always what it knows how to do best.
    Being the laughing joke of the world. 




    It seems Russia navy is trying to take the title away of Britain ,of the worse 
    conditions navy in the world. Look at the Smoke , and this is supposed to be
    Russia "most modern" ,"state of the art" warship. everyone making laughs about 
    Russia "obsolete navy" , whether this is true or not , is not what matters. But what
    more matters in a time of peace Nation image and military strenght is everything. Russia will never encourage respect on its nation if their warship throw more smoke than a coal burning plant. And this  is bad for the image of Russia. If Russia intention is deterrence and security for SYria , then having their best warships in service ,becoming a joke for the poor condition of
    its engines ,is not definitevely the best way for Mr Putin to project strenght.   

    just a few comments from the report so people see what kind of 
    image Russia is sending to the world. 




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    what are you guys using coal ? that thing smokes more than your aircraft carrier bwahahahhahahahahahahah you should put on a few pigs up there and let them smoke away nicely.


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    they cant even send a destroyer? just an old frigate? maybe they are planing on taking the entire US sixth fleet with 1 frigate lol



    WW2GM[size=11]5 hours ago


    krazy bzs its too much actually, engines are not in good condition, combustion is not working well..


    WW2GM2 hours ago

    Bear Ted E. actually, normal naval engines are preheated, so it does not have problems with expanding...
    this should not happen, its too much smoke even for a Diesel and turbines...
    i work in one of the 5 portuguese frigates, and those never make as much smoke as this one...



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    https://sputniknews.com/military/201702271051091162-russia-sends-frigate-syrian-shores/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nYINKXdgLs

    So there you have it.. instead of people discussing Russian navy power , you 
    have Europeans and Americans discussing the poor quality conditions of Russian
    engines in their warships. And it was no different with Russia aircraft carrier ,that also
    made headlines and not for anything good. but for poor performance too. Good thing is Russia have many nukes.. but Russia should not be relying only on them for deterrence. Russian nuclear inventory did not saved the Russian pilot shut down by TUrkey ,neither is helping much to help Syria to avoid being partitioned by NATO.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:06 pm

    Just as crazy as your view, how about all the smokiness is a plot to lull the rest of the world into a false sense of 'crap' Russian Navy.

    Seriously, who in any position of power takes any notice of a few ignoramuses like the ones you quoted?
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Singular_Transform on Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:04 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Putin's Russia doing always what it knows how to do best.
    Being the laughing joke of the world. 




    It seems Russia navy is trying to take the title away of Britain ,of the worse 
    conditions navy in the world. Look at the Smoke , and this is supposed to be
    Russia "most modern" ,"state of the art" warship. everyone making laughs about 
    Russia "obsolete navy" , whether this is true or not , is not what matters. But what
    more matters in a time of peace Nation image and military strenght is everything. Russia will never encourage respect on its nation if their warship throw more smoke than a coal burning plant. And this  is bad for the image of Russia. If Russia intention is deterrence and security for SYria , then having their best warships in service ,becoming a joke for the poor condition of
    its engines ,is not definitevely the best way for Mr Putin to project strenght.   

    The ammount of smoke (this magnitude) is a design decisin by the designer of the engine control system.

    Triangle: you can choose two from the next tree: performance, low consumption and low emission.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:15 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Putin's Russia doing always what it knows how to do best.
    Being the laughing joke of the world. 
    ................
    It seems Russia navy is trying to take the title away of Britain ,of the worse 
    conditions navy in the world. Look at the Smoke , and this is supposed to be
    Russia "most modern" ,"state of the art" warship. everyone making laughs about 
    Russia "obsolete navy" , whether this is true or not , is not what matters. But what
    more matters in a time of peace Nation image and military strenght is everything. Russia will never encourage respect on its nation if their warship throw more smoke than a coal burning plant. And this  is bad for the image of Russia. If Russia intention is deterrence and security for SYria , then having their best warships in service ,becoming a joke for the poor condition of
    its engines ,is not definitevely the best way for Mr Putin to project strenght.   

    just a few comments from the report so people see what kind of 
    image Russia is sending to the world. 
    ...........................
    So there you have it.. instead of people discussing Russian navy power , you 
    have Europeans and Americans discussing the poor quality conditions of Russian
    engines in their warships. And it was no different with Russia aircraft carrier ,that also
    made headlines and not for anything good. but for poor performance too. Good thing is Russia have many nukes.. but Russia should not be relying only on them for deterrence. Russian nuclear inventory did not saved the Russian pilot shut down by TUrkey ,neither is helping much to help Syria to avoid being partitioned by NATO
    .

    Retard factor is powerful in this one... lol1

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Honesroc on Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:06 am

    Vann7 wrote:Putin's Russia doing always what it knows how to do best.
    Being the laughing joke of the world. 


    It seems Russia navy is trying to take the title away of Britain ,of the worse 
    conditions navy in the world. Look at the Smoke , and this is supposed to be
    Russia "most modern" ,"state of the art" warship. everyone making laughs about 
    Russia "obsolete navy" , whether this is true or not , is not what matters. But what
    more matters in a time of peace Nation image and military strenght is everything. Russia will never encourage respect on its nation if their warship throw more smoke than a coal burning plant. And this  is bad for the image of Russia. If Russia intention is deterrence and security for SYria , then having their best warships in service ,becoming a joke for the poor condition of
    its engines ,is not definitevely the best way for Mr Putin to project strenght.   

    just a few comments from the report so people see what kind of 
    image Russia is sending to the world. 



    https://sputniknews.com/military/201702271051091162-russia-sends-frigate-syrian-shores/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nYINKXdgLs

    So there you have it.. instead of people discussing Russian navy power , you 
    have Europeans and Americans discussing the poor quality conditions of Russian
    engines in their warships. And it was no different with Russia aircraft carrier ,that also
    made headlines and not for anything good. but for poor performance too. Good thing is Russia have many nukes.. but Russia should not be relying only on them for deterrence. Russian nuclear inventory did not saved the Russian pilot shut down by TUrkey ,neither is helping much to help Syria to avoid being partitioned by NATO.

    This is an amazing display of idiocy and shallowness. "Vann gonna Vann", as a former poster once put it so eloquently.

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