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    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Isos on Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:03 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Looks like Russias short range SAMs are begining to outrange western mid range missiles the us army will be.... oh wait they have no mid range SAMs nor do they have any close range ones lol!

    Anyway it seems the Pantsir will be quite the nightmare for nato pilots.

    I wonder if they will use this new tech on the S-400 and S-500.

    150 pantsirs every where in a small country backed by long range radars and some s-400 would deny any attack.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:40 am

    Hi, I want to ask about the firing accuracy of 2A38M gun. It is twin barrel gun and 2 barrels are very closed so when firing, do the ballistic of projectiles be effected by shock waves from the other side barrel? Thank you.

    First of all each twin barrel gun does not fire both barrels at the same time... the firing of one ejects the empty shell and loads a fresh round in the other barrel and then the round is fired to cycle the other barrel...

    The accuracy required is not as high as you actually might think.

    A rifle is not used for small fast moving targets... for such targets a shotgun is generally used because between the time you fire the shot and when the projectiles impact the target area the target could have sped up, or slowed down, or turned left or right etc etc.

    That means it is actually better to have a scatter of projectiles around the point of aim so that if the target performs a manouver after the rounds are fired (when changes to the aim are meaningless) and when the rounds arrive on target.

    The main reason they are looking at 57mm shells is because even with a fairly large number of shots fired a small target can still fly through the rounds at range.

    Airburst round that explode when they get to the distance to the target on the other hand greatly increase the chance of hits and with small targets being rather more fragile those hits will be more effective than total misses.

    Looks like Russias short range SAMs are begining to outrange western mid range missiles the us army will be.... oh wait they have no mid range SAMs nor do they have any close range ones

    The US Army has Stingers and Chapparal (ground launched sidewinders) and relies totally on its air force or navy for air support.

    Hypersonic missiles with 60km range would be pretty interesting... even just with command guidance that would be interesting but with the new HERMES range of missiles having terminal guidance I would think a few with ARH and another few with ARM guidance and of course the IIR guided ones the Russian ground forces and air defence units will be very potently armed.

    I don't see why upgrades to the missiles and systems could not be applied to Army units vehicles and naval forces... especially the latter with the 4 warhead anti drone missiles... they would be useful against a mass attack of subsonic anti ship missiles...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:44 am

    PapaDragon wrote: 50-60km range should put this thing in Shtil category. Equipping Karakurts with these things would put those boats in whole other league (as if they weren't already)  

    Yeah we need only to add Pakets and I am fine with Karakurts geek geek geek






    GarryB wrote:
    I don't see why upgrades to the missiles and systems could not be applied to Army units vehicles and naval forces... especially the latter with the 4 warhead anti drone missiles... they would be useful against a mass attack of subsonic anti ship missiles...

    that is cool idea. 8x4 - with incoming faster the any gun round gives les time to maneuver. I guess this is preparation for super-hiperosnic missiles from US side.
    Energy of incoming missile makes it actually good kinetic kill vehicle. I the faster target flies in the more energy can release.
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    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:08 pm

    Energy of incoming missile makes it actually good kinetic kill vehicle. I the faster target flies in the more energy can release.

    A hypersonic Pantsir missile could have a long narrow column of HE down the centre of the missile payload area and metal cubes around the charge... assuming the same warhead payload capacity as Hermes, it should allow a half kilo of HE and 29.5kgs of metal cubes... a tenth of a sec before impact the HE charge starts to scatter the metal cubes... by the time of impact they should form a mass a couple of metres wide and a metre or so deep... a serious shotgun blast of fragments...

    Even for larger targets such a warhead would be effective because it spreads the damage, while for smaller targets it increases the chance of a hit.

    Of course instead of a column through the middle as a spreading charge it might be an idea to have a charge at the rear to blow the fragments forward like a claymore mine and get a concentrated scattering of fragments directed at the target based on the sensor information from the terminal seeker... if there is one, or by command from the launcher based on the position of the missile relative to the target just before impact...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:07 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Of course instead of a column through the middle as a spreading charge it might be an idea to have a charge at the rear to blow the fragments forward like a claymore mine and get a concentrated scattering of fragments directed at the target based on the sensor information from the terminal seeker... if there is one, or by command from the launcher based on the position of the missile relative to the target just before impact...

    would electronics work with such accelerations?

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    Russian Army's Pantsir-S2 anti-aircraft missile system in a live firing demonstration

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:36 am


    This here gentlemen is how you do Pantsir like a pro.

    Version on Kamaz Tornado armoured truck thumbsup



    More: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3142610.html
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    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:18 am

    would electronics work with such accelerations?

    Don't see any reason why they would not work... the system tracks the outgoing missile and the incoming target and sends command corrections for the missile to adapt its flight to an intercept course with the target... when the missile is a fraction of a second from the target it can command an explosion of the warhead to scatter the fragments... the computer will already know the expansion rate of the warhead mass of fragments... so for different targets you can set it off at different times... early for big targets to get impacts all over the target and later for smaller targets to increase the concentration of fragments on impact...

    Model S-300 missiles have various detonators and just before impact with the target the direction of the target is used to determine which fuse is set off... the position within the explosive of the initial detonation determines the direction the fragments are thrown, so the fragments will be thrown at where the target is at the point of interception... maximising damage.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:23 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    This here gentlemen is how you do Pantsir like a pro.

    Version on Kamaz Tornado armoured truck thumbsup



    More:   https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3142610.html

    This is the Pantsir -SM undergoing testing at the Ashuluk.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:56 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    This here gentlemen is how you do Pantsir like a pro.

    Version on Kamaz Tornado armoured truck thumbsup


    now this I like any pics on a tracked version?
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    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Isos on Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:17 pm

    now this I like any pics on a tracked version?

    You had tracked version since the begining on the same plateforme as tungunska. You also have the arctic version.
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    Is the Russian Army equipped with Pantsir-s or Pantsir-s1system?

    Post  Batajnica on Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:25 am

    Is this system only equipped with the Russian Air Force?

    This is a good army air defense system
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    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:55 am

    Still relatively new, but the navy will get some as well as air force and aerospace defence force most likely to defend their larger SAMs from munitions attacks.

    I suspect UAE will also buy and after the recent attack on Syria by the west I suspect sales of BUK and Pantsir to greatly increase...

    Note the army equivalent of Pantsir would be a combination of Tunguska and TOR... in an Army force they used to have a gun/missile and a missile battalion... ZSU-57-2 or Shilka and SA-9 or SA-13 for the gun/missile and SA-8 for the missile, but since Tunguska it has been a gun/missile battalion with Tunguska and some SA-13 and a missile battalion with the SA-8 slowly replaced by the very expensive but also very capable SA-15 TOR.

    Note the navy will also use a combination of TOR and Pantsir and I suspect that Tunguska will be replaced with a tracked version of Pantsir.
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    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  dino00 on Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:29 am

    Russia to Conduct Tests of Upgraded Pantsir-SM System by End of 2019

    Russia plans to carry out acceptance tests of a modernized Pantsir-SM surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft artillery weapon system with an extended range before the end of 2019, while flight tests for an upgraded missile may take place this year, Russian state corporation Rostec CEO, Sergey Chemezov told Sputnik


    https://sputniknews.com/military/201808201067323469-russia-rostec-defense-missile-system/
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    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  dino00 on Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:37 pm

    Took the fly: "Shell"(pantsir) taught to fight with "phantoms"
    Anti-aircraft complexes have learned to accurately distinguish drone from false targets


    Anti-aircraft complexes "Pantsir" can now be guaranteed to destroy enemy drones. The renewed anti-aircraft complex is able to detect and identify small aircrafts, for example multi-copters, and shoot them down with standard guns and missiles. For this purpose, Russian developers have created a special algorithm for the software of the anti-aircraft complex. On the account of the updated "Shells" several dozen shot down in Syria drones, launched by the militants. According to military experts, thanks to the completion of "Pantsir" began to pose a mortal threat to quadrocopters, multicopters and other microdrons.

    The Defense Ministry told Izvestia that at present the modernized Pantsir is being tested in the Armed Forces of Russia. According to Izvestia, the first updated anti-aircraft systems have already arrived at the airbase of Khmeimim in Syria, where a record number of drones has recently been destroyed.

    "Over the past month, 45 unmanned aerial vehicles equipped with improvised explosive devices have been destroyed by means of air defense or electronic warfare," said the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Major-General Igor Konashenkov.

    This success was achieved thanks to the good work of the modernized version of "Shell". The ZRPK was able to find small targets at any time of the day and under the most unfavorable weather conditions. Earlier, the airborne radar of the anti-aircraft complex could accept small drones for so-called ghosts, or phantoms, that is, reflections of the radar signal from birds, air currents and other anomalies.

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    Post  LMFS on Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:43 pm

    dino00 wrote:Took the fly: "Shell"(pantsir) taught to fight with "phantoms"
    Anti-aircraft complexes have learned to accurately distinguish drone from false targets
    That must be Russian way of saying "thanks!" to the CIA boys for providing the targets and the training lol1
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    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:49 am

    dino00 wrote:Russia to Conduct Tests of Upgraded Pantsir-SM System by End of 2019

    Russia plans to carry out acceptance tests of a modernized Pantsir-SM surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft artillery weapon system with an extended range before the end of 2019, while flight tests for an upgraded missile may take place this year, Russian state corporation Rostec CEO, Sergey Chemezov told Sputnik


    https://sputniknews.com/military/201808201067323469-russia-rostec-defense-missile-system/


    Talking bout Pantsir SM -

    The product is developed within the framework of the work" Pantsir-SM. "This is a multi-purpose aiming station, which allows almost doubling the range of the" shell ".In addition, a radar module with an active phased array," said Khomyakov.

    He recalled that the aiming range of the existing "Pantsir-S1" complex is about 20 kilometers, and in the new version the range will increase to 40 kilometers.

    At the same time, the new "Shell" will be able to detect targets at a distance of 75 kilometers (against 40 kilometers in the current modification), added Khomyakov.
    According to him, the components of the new anti-aircraft complex are being tested now. The timing of the completion of the tests, he did not specify.

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3682156




    Then in March 2018:

    The range of the Pantsir anti-aircraft missile and gun system can increase to 60 km thanks to the use of hypersonic missiles, a source in the defense industrial complex told Interfax. "At the moment, work is underway to create hypersonic rockets for the Shell. It is planned to bring the range of the complex to 50-60 kilometers, "the source said. The general director of the Holding "High-Precision Complexes" Alexander Denisov reported in 2013 that for the complex "works, including hypersound, are underway." "(Works - IF) are conducted quite successfully," A. Denisov said. At the moment the range of the complex is about 20 km. According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, since 2018 the upgraded version of the complex, "Pantsir-SM", should begin to enter the troops. Thanks to the new sighting locator, the range of detection and guidance of missiles is 40 km. INTERFAX-AVN
    Источник: http://bastion-opk.ru/pantsir-sm/ ОВТ «ОРУЖИЕ ОТЕЧЕСТВА» A.V.Karpenko


    http://bastion-opk.ru/pantsir-sm/




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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:51 am

    LMFS wrote:
    That must be Russian way of saying "thanks!" to the CIA boys for providing the targets and the training lol1

    This is how CIA fights with ISIL - thanks to US drone tech Russians learn to better fight real terrorists thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup
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    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  dino00 on Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:29 am

    About the Pantsir-SM i think they expect to BE accepted before the end 2019 40 km range.
    They talk now about Pantsir-SM 1 to test This year 50-60 km range
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:58 am

    dino00 wrote:About the Pantsir-SM i think they expect to BE accepted before the end 2019 40 km range.
    They talk now about Pantsir-SM 1 to test This year 50-60 km range

    I guess you're right. I didnt dig deep in versions of Pantsir. For me the question is why such a range?! it is not gonna be SHORAD anymore. On maritime platforms PAntsir is going to be a perfect platform for Corvettes or patrol bats.
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:25 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    dino00 wrote:About the Pantsir-SM i think they expect to BE accepted before the end 2019 40 km range.
    They talk now about Pantsir-SM 1 to test This year 50-60 km range

    I guess you're right. I didnt dig  deep in versions of Pantsir. For me the question is why such a range?! it is not gonna be SHORAD anymore. On maritime platforms PAntsir is going to be a perfect platform for Corvettes or patrol bats.

    I think its Pantsir-S1M the name of the improved range... Pantsir is a Beast...if a company is doing a great job, on schedule, cheap...please proceed
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:25 pm

    dino00 wrote:
    I think its Pantsir-S1M the name of the improved range...

    I m sure you're right. I've lost track in many suffixes (S1, S2, M - for navalized and now new models) - all names are ok for me Very Happy



    Pantsir is a Beast...if a company is doing a great job, on schedule, cheap...please proceed

    meh it is nice but only to nice guys lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  dino00 on Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:02 pm

    Far from sure...but some Russian news start call That
    The fog about the missiles being tsted will dissipated...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:45 pm

    Pantsir-S2 already fielded AESA radar which is already used as well for ships too. This is a more advanced AESA radar.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:16 pm

    Russia to launch serial production of advanced air defense missile/gun systems in 2019

    The latest Pantsyr-SM version is set to get a new high-speed missile whose range has been doubled to 40km

    KUBINKA, August 22. /TASS/. The serial production of the latest Pantsyr-SM air defense missile/gun system will begin in 2019, the press office of High Precision Systems (the weapon’s developer) told TASS at the Army-2018 international military and technical forum on Wednesday.

    "The serial production of the air defense missile/gun system is planned to begin from late 2019," the press office said.

    The first Pantsyr-SM prototypes have been made and their "trials are being held in compliance with the timeframe set by a state contract," the press office added.

    The Russian defense industry is developing the Pantsyr-SM to replace Pantsyr-S1 systems operational in the troops. The latest Pantsyr-SM version is set to get a new high-speed missile whose range has been doubled to 40km. Pantsyr systems are designated for close-in defense of civilian and military installations, including long-range air defense missile complexes.


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