Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Share
    avatar
    Viktor
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 5668
    Points : 6317
    Join date : 2009-08-25
    Age : 36
    Location : Croatia

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Viktor on Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:35 am

    TheArmenian wrote:
    Viktor wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:What are the differences in the missiles?  Maybe AESA radar too, cause wasn't there photos at one point with AESA radar on a Pantsir?

    Range of the missile is increased to 40km.

    I don't know where you got that 40 km range figure from Viktor. I hope you are correct.
    As far as I can remember, PANTSIR-SM range was reported as 35 km.

    Do you have a source?

    My bad. Modernized Pancir-S1 missiles will have 35km range and 40 for the SM version.
    avatar
    Viktor
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 5668
    Points : 6317
    Join date : 2009-08-25
    Age : 36
    Location : Croatia

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Viktor on Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:41 pm

    Now A-PVO can begin to assemble the strongest SHAROAD the world has ever seen - TOR-M2U/Pancir-S1 combo Very Happy

    2015KBP create tracked version ZRPK "armor"
    avatar
    medo
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 3116
    Points : 3214
    Join date : 2010-10-24
    Location : Slovenia

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  medo on Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:35 pm

    Viktor wrote:Now A-PVO can begin to assemble the strongest  SHAROAD the world has ever seen - TOR-M2U/Pancir-S1 combo Very Happy

    2015KBP create tracked version ZRPK "armor"

    For now only for Arctic region. It seems Russian army still didn't make a decision around army version of Pantsir.
    avatar
    George1
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 9928
    Points : 10418
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:16 pm

    Russia Developing Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft System for Arctic

    Russia's KBP Instrument Design Bureau is considering developing a special tracked version of its Pantsir (SA-22 Greyhound) self-propelled anti-aircraft gun and missile system for use in the Arctic.

    The Pantsir is typically mounted on a wheeled chassis, however its maneuverability in the heavy snow is "significantly restricted," Vladimir Popov, director general of the KBP subsidiary JSC Scheglovsky Val, told the TASS news agency.

    He added that the idea of basing the Pantsir on the special tracked chassis produced by the JSC Ishimbayskiy machine-building plant was being studied and that some follow-up experiments were also planned to test its viability in polar areas.

    Popov said that KBP had previously integrated Pantsir's combat module and radar on the tracked GMZ-352M1E chassis produced by the JSC Minsky track plant for the United Arab Emirates.

    The director general also said that KBP was working to increase the Pantsir's reliability in severe climate conditions.

    "Icing-up is the main problem," he said. "We are improving both the chassis' reliability and the frost-resistance of different oils and power fluids.

    The Pantsir system is already “protecting Russia's northern borders," he said, adding that "three serial-wheeled SA-22s have been deployed at the Temp air base (on Kotelny Island) since 2014."

    The operating temperature range of the Pantsir modification for the Russian armed forces runs from negative 50 degrees to 50 degrees.

    Bolstering Russia’s presence in the Arctic region is part of the country’s military strategy through 2020. President Vladimir Putin said in late 2014 that Russia is not planning to militarize the Arctic, but is taking necessary measures to ensure its security in the region.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150415/1020900763.html#ixzz3XgpWrV1i
    avatar
    Zivo
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1504
    Points : 1540
    Join date : 2012-04-13
    Location : U.S.A.

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Zivo on Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:05 pm

    avatar
    Cyberspec
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1945
    Points : 2116
    Join date : 2011-08-08
    Location : Terra Australis

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:11 am

    ^^^
    Nice.

    Regarding the upcoming Pantsir-S2, what are the chances of it having the 2-faced (Janus) radar?

    The radar is a Janus-faced ESA, evidently intended to generate track outputs at a significantly higher rate than the VNIIRT 2RL80/2RL80E on early production systems for the Russian PVO and export clients. The system is claimed to be for an export client, not disclosed, who may be Middle Eastern given the desert camouflage on the prototype vehicle. A higher tracking rate would provide a better capability to track PGM targets, especially variants of the AGM-88 HARM/AARGM.

    avatar
    Zivo
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1504
    Points : 1540
    Join date : 2012-04-13
    Location : U.S.A.

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Zivo on Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:12 am

    Cyberspec wrote:^^^
    Nice.

    Regarding the upcoming Pantsir-S2, what are the chances of it having the 2-faced (Janus) radar?


    33% Wink

    It's either going to have the S1's radar if they go cheap, the two faced radar you mentioned, or the larger-single faced radar shown on the Kamaz Typhoon based model.
    avatar
    sepheronx
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 7301
    Points : 7611
    Join date : 2009-08-06
    Age : 27
    Location : Canada

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:53 am

    Who makes that 2 faced radar? Such a system would be very important for such systems!
    avatar
    Stealthflanker
    Major
    Major

    Posts : 809
    Points : 895
    Join date : 2009-08-04
    Age : 29
    Location : Indonesia

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Stealthflanker on Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:00 am

    I think that 2 faced search radar was already exported to Iraq.

    avatar
    Cyberspec
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1945
    Points : 2116
    Join date : 2011-08-08
    Location : Terra Australis

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:16 pm

    Who makes that 2 faced radar?

    I think it's domestic production

    ...

    Algerian Pantsirs apparently also have the 'Janus' radar



    avatar
    GarryB
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 15961
    Points : 16662
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Pantsir-S1 News Thread: #2

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:34 pm

    Such a system would be very important for such systems!

    In terms of a two faced radar vs a single face... the costs pretty much double as you have two transmit and receive components, but for that extra cost the spin rate of a search radar is limited by the distance the signal travels... there is no point spinning the antenna so fast the return signal arrives back when the antenna has moved on.

    Having two radar it means you can keep track of objects more efficiently as you are practically scanning twice per revolution of the radar which means for small highly manouvering targets you get position updates twice as often so a constantly changing threat environment you should see targets faster.

    Obviously we are talking about the search radar... the tracking radar and EO tracking will be continuous tracking which is even more accurate as needed for direct hits.

    If the vehicle is acting as a command vehicle it should be able to track twice as many targets as a single face system so in that case it would be superior in finding targets and handing them off to other platforms to engage.

    Personally I would spend a little more and get a three or four faced system that was fixed and could electronically scan 360 degrees without having to actually move. That would improve stability and allow discrete scanning, but I suspect a system like this you would want continuous full field scanning to look for new targets all the time.


    _________________
    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
    avatar
    Cyberspec
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1945
    Points : 2116
    Join date : 2011-08-08
    Location : Terra Australis

    Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed May 06, 2015 10:19 am

    Not confirmed but possibly the modernised Pantsir-S2 during the parade rehearsal in Tula....'Janus' radar under the tarp?  dunno

    avatar
    Viktor
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 5668
    Points : 6317
    Join date : 2009-08-25
    Age : 36
    Location : Croatia

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Viktor on Wed May 06, 2015 5:32 pm

    Speaking of Janus Very Happy

    avatar
    Cyberspec
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1945
    Points : 2116
    Join date : 2011-08-08
    Location : Terra Australis

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu May 07, 2015 1:41 am

    Viktor wrote:Speaking of Janus  Very Happy

    Wow...is that a recent pic ?
    avatar
    Viktor
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 5668
    Points : 6317
    Join date : 2009-08-25
    Age : 36
    Location : Croatia

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Viktor on Thu May 07, 2015 7:20 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Speaking of Janus  Very Happy

    Wow...is that a recent pic ?

    Dont know. It is said that although with smaller range gives better results in bad weather.
    avatar
    medo
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 3116
    Points : 3214
    Join date : 2010-10-24
    Location : Slovenia

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  medo on Thu May 07, 2015 7:49 pm

    It seems it is for export as it is in desert colors.
    avatar
    flamming_python
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 3207
    Points : 3333
    Join date : 2012-01-30

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  flamming_python on Thu May 07, 2015 8:35 pm

    That makes it looks as if the Pantsir module can easily be mounted onto a BMD-chassis Cool
    avatar
    George1
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 9928
    Points : 10418
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  George1 on Thu May 07, 2015 9:54 pm

    so VDV will take pantsyr-s1s?
    avatar
    Cyberspec
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1945
    Points : 2116
    Join date : 2011-08-08
    Location : Terra Australis

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri May 08, 2015 1:51 am

    George1 wrote:so VDV will take pantsyr-s1s?

    Likely. The Strela-10 they're currently using was suppose to be a temporary measure



    avatar
    magnumcromagnon
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 4521
    Points : 4712
    Join date : 2013-12-05
    Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri May 08, 2015 2:25 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    George1 wrote:so VDV will take pantsyr-s1s?

    Likely. The Strela-10 they're currently using was suppose to be a temporary measure




    Rostec reported a year ago that the VDV wanted to get Pantsirs on Typhoon-K's.
    avatar
    Viktor
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 5668
    Points : 6317
    Join date : 2009-08-25
    Age : 36
    Location : Croatia

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Viktor on Sat May 09, 2015 7:29 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    Waiting List for Russian Pantsir-S1 Missile System Backed Up to 2019
    avatar
    Book.
    Senior Lieutenant
    Senior Lieutenant

    Posts : 668
    Points : 731
    Join date : 2015-05-08
    Location : Oregon, USA

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Book. on Mon May 11, 2015 12:17 am

    Viktor wrote:Speaking of Janus  Very Happy


    ME customor?
    avatar
    OminousSpudd
    Major
    Major

    Posts : 853
    Points : 872
    Join date : 2015-01-03
    Age : 21
    Location : New Zealand

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  OminousSpudd on Mon May 11, 2015 12:57 am

    Book. wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Speaking of Janus  Very Happy


    ME customor?

    http://www.janes.com/article/50628/russians-developing-tracked-pantsyr-for-the-arctic-region

    Track based Pantsyr for Arctic forces.

    Tunguska Mk. II, this makes me very happy.

    sheytanelkebir
    Junior Lieutenant
    Junior Lieutenant

    Posts : 491
    Points : 508
    Join date : 2013-09-16

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Tue May 12, 2015 10:38 am

    well Popov said that they'd previously made that integration for the UAE (hence desert cammo). However AFAIK the UAE vehicles don't have the JANUS radar. So this could be an updated prototype? Would the Russian Army really want this though? they already have TUNGUSKA and TOR on tracked chassis.
    avatar
    Morpheus Eberhardt
    Colonel
    Colonel

    Posts : 1967
    Points : 2092
    Join date : 2013-05-20

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue May 12, 2015 11:56 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    Book. wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Speaking of Janus  Very Happy


    ME customor?

    http://www.janes.com/article/50628/russians-developing-tracked-pantsyr-for-the-arctic-region

    Track based Pantsyr for Arctic forces.

    Tunguska Mk. II, this makes me very happy.  

    The ground forces Pantsir' is tracked, not just those for the arctics.

    Any use of the truck-mounted Pantsir' in the ground troops would be under a contingency based if at all.

    Sponsored content

    Re: Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:51 pm