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    Post  LMFS on Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:20 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:No, only two remained for delivery after receive 8 Su-34 last year, the two last at the end of december

    That means the news in Interfax that 4 units were still to be delivered were incorrect then:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t947p875-su-34-tactical-bomber-news#284736

    Do you think the contract for 20 units is going to be additionally to the announced 76 NVO, or will it be 76 in total, 20 now (without the modernization) and 56 modernized afterwards?

    It is interesting that the batch size is the same as in Su-57, as if they had "standardized" it: three regiment + 4 for training of instructors. I guess the training of the pilots will happen at their final air bases, once the instructors have been taught, otherwise the numbers for Lipetsk seem too low...

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    Post  AMCXXL on Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:23 am

    LMFS wrote:
    AMCXXL wrote:No, only two remained for delivery after receive 8 Su-34 last year, the two last at the end of december

    That means the news in Interfax that 4 units were still to be delivered were incorrect then:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t947p875-su-34-tactical-bomber-news#284736

    Do you think the contract for 20 units is going to be additionally to the announced 76 NVO, or will it be 76 in total, 20 now (without the modernization) and 56 modernized afterwards?

    It is interesting that the batch size is the same as in Su-57, as if they had "standardized" it: three regiment + 4 for training of instructors. I guess the training of the pilots will happen at their final air bases, once the instructors have been taught, otherwise the numbers for Lipetsk seem too low...

    With the two last Su-34 delivered now the contract for 92 Su-34 of 2012 is fullfilled.

    Next Su-34´s will be part of new contract for two dozens of airplanes ("about 20" means two squadrons). Will be delivered between 2020 and 2022
    Probably one squadron for Monchegorsk in North Fleet and perhaps other for other fleet (Pacific ??)

    The 76 Su-34M will be: 72 for tree regiments of 24 + 4 for Lipetsk, 
    probably these machines for regiments at Marinovka (South Military District), Shatalovo (West MD) and Varfolomeyevka or any other place in East Military district




    This is the complete serial list of Su-34 of VVS (the 7 prototypes excluded)

    TOTAL 129 machines built (5+32+92)




    Serial Su-34 of VVS

    Nº#  Serial   1º Fl.   Register  Number   Unit
    01#   01-06   2006   XXxxxxxx   Nº01   4 TsBP >> 929 GLITs   CONTRACT 2006 (5)
    02#   01-07   2006   RF-92251   Nº02   4 TsBP   
    03#   02-01   2007   RF-93619   Nº03   4 TsBP >> 929 GLITs   
    04#   02-02   2008   RF-92252   Nº04   4 TsBP >> ВАИУ    
    05#   02-03   2009   RF-92253   Nº05   4 TsBP >> Nº09   >>  Retired. Moscu VK-MEI
    06#   02-04   2010   RF-95070   Nº06   47 BAP    CONTRACT 2008 (32)
    07#   02-05   2010   RF-95804   Nº07   47 BAP   
    08#   02-06   2010   XXxxxxxx   Nº08   47 BAP   
    09#   02-07   2010   XXxxxxxx   Nº09   47 BAP   
    10#   02-08   2011   XXxxxxxx   Nº01   47 BAP   
    11#   02-09   2011   RF-95802   Nº02   47 BAP   
    12#   02-10   2011   RF-95803   Nº03   47 BAP   
    13#   02-11   2011   RF-95801   Nº04   47 BAP   
    14#   02-12   2011   RF-95806   Nº05   47 BAP   
    15#   02-13   2011   RF-95812   Nº10   47 BAP   
    16#   03-01   2012   XXxxxxxx   Nº11   47 BAP   
    17#   03-02   2012   XXxxxxxx   Nº12   47 BAP   
    18#   03-03   2012   XXxxxxxx   Nº20   47 BAP   
    19#   03-04   2012   RF-95002   Nº21   47 BAP   
    20#   03-05   2012   RF-95005   Nº22   47 BAP   
    21#   03-06   2012   RF-95810   Nº23   47 BAP
    22#   03-07   2012   RF-95808   Nº24   47 BAP
    23#   03-08   2012   RF-95811   Nº25   47 BAP   
    24#   03-09   2012   RF-95807   Nº26   47 BAP   
    25#   03-10   2012   RF-95809   Nº27   47 BAP   
    26#   04-01   2013   RF-93801   Nº34   929 GLITs   
    27#   04-02   2013   RF-95067   Nº28   47 BAP   Damaged 4-jun-2015 >> RETIRED
    28#   04-03   2013   RF-95065   Nº29   47 BAP   
    29#   04-04   2013   RF-95066   Nº30   47 BAP   
    30#   04-05   2013   RF-96472   Nº31   47 BAP
    31#   04-06   2013   RF-93831   Nº01   559 BAP   
    32#   04-07   2013   RF-93832   Nº02   559 BAP*
    33#   04-08   2013   RF-93830   Nº03   559 BAP   
    34#   04-09   2013   XXxxxxxx   Nº04   559 BAP   
    35#   04-10   2013   RF-93836   Nº05   559 BAP   
    36#   05-01   2013   RF-93835   Nº06   559 BAP   
    37#   05-02   2013   RF-93837   Nº07   559 BAP   
    38#   05-03   2013   RF-93833   Nº08   559 BAP   CONTRACT 2012 (92)
    39#   05-04   2013   RF-93838   Nº09   559 BAP   
    40#   05-05   2014   RF-93826   Nº10   559 BAP*   
    41#   05-06   2014   RF-92212   Nº11   559 BAP   
    42#   05-07   2014   RF-93828   Nº12   559 BAP   
    43#   05-08   2014   RF-92218   Nº14   559 BAP  (ex-RF-93855)
    44#   05-09   2014   RF-93829   Nº15   559 BAP*   
    45#   05-10   2014   RF-92219   Nº16   559 BAP   
    46#   05-11   2014   RF-93814   Nº17   559 BAP   
    47#   05-12   2014   RF-93813   Nº18   559 BAP   
    48#   05-13   2014   RF-93821   Nº19   559 BAP   
    49#   05-14   2014   XXxxxxxx   Nº20   559 BAP   
    50#   05-15   2014   RF-93819   Nº21   559 BAP   
    51#   05-16   2014   RF-93818   Nº22   559 BAP   
    52#   05-17   2014   RF-93817   Nº24   559 BAP   
    53#   05-18   2014   RF-93816   Nº25   559 BAP   
    54#   05-19   2014   RF-93815   Nº27   559 BAP   
    55#   05-20   2014   XXxxxxxx   Nº35   929 GLITs   
    56#   06-01   2014   RF-93822   Nº28   559 BAP   
    57#   06-02   2014   RF-93823   Nº31   559 BAP   
    58#   06-03   2015   RF-95012   Nº34   559 BAP
    59#   06-04   2015   RF-95010   Nº35   559 BAP   
    60#   06-05   2015   RF-95011   Nº36   559 BAP   
    61#   06-06   2015   XXxxxxxx   Nº 37   559 BAP   
    62#   06-07   2015   RF-95478   Nº38   559 BAP
    63#   06-08   2015   RF-95479   Nº39   559 BAP*   
    64#   06-09   2015   RF-95856   Nº40   559 BAP
    65#   06-10   2015   RF-95855   Nº41   559 BAP   
    66#   06-11   2015   RF-95857   Nº42   559 BAP   
    67#   06-12   2015   RF-95841   Nº10   4 TsBP   
    68#   06-13   2015   RF-95844   Nº11   4 TsBP    >> Nº32  47 BAP
    69#   06-14   2015   RF-95858   Nº43   559 BAP   
    70#   06-15   2015   RF-95843   Nº12   4 TsBP   
    71#   06-16   2015   RF-95842   Nº14   4 TsBP   
    72#   07-01   2015   RF-95848   Nº15   4 TsBP
    73#   07-02   2015   RF-95846   Nº16   4 TsBP   
    74#   07-03   2015   RF-95845   Nº17   4 TsBP   
    75#   07-04   2015   RF-95847   Nº18   4 TsBP   
    76#   07-05   2016   RF-81707   Nº01   277 BAP   
    77#   07-06   2016   XXxxxxxx   Nº02   277 BAP
    78#   07-07   2016   XXxxxxxx   Nº03   277 BAP   Accident 18-ene-2019   
    79#   07-08   2016   RF-81710   Nº04   277 BAP
    80#   07-09   2016   RF-81711   Nº05   277 BAP*   
    81#   07-10   2016   RF-81714   Nº06   277 BAP            
    82#   07-11   2016   RF-81713   Nº07   277 BAP*         
    83#   07-12   2016   RF-81715   Nº09   277 BAP         
    84#   07-13   2016   RF-81712   Nº10   277 BAP   Damaged 18-ene-2019. Retired 
    85#   07-14   2016   XXxxxxxx   Nº11   277 BAP   
    86#   08-01   2016   RF-81727   Nº12   277 BAP   
    87#   08-02   2016   RF-81725   Nº14   277 BAP   
    88#   08-03   2016   XXxxxxxx   Nº 20   277 BAP         
    89#   08-04   2016   XXxxxxxx   Nº21   277 BAP         
    90#   08-05   2016   RF-81728   Nº22   277 BAP         
    91#   08-06   2016   RF-81723   Nº23   277 BAP         
    92#   08-07   2017   RF-81750   Nº24   277 BAP         
    93#   08-08   2017   XXxxxxxx   Nº25   277 BAP         
    94#   08-09   2017   XXxxxxxx   Nº27   277 BAP         
    95#   08-10   2017   RF-81751   Nº29   277 BAP         
    96#   08-11   2017   XXxxxxxx   Nº30   277 BAP      
    97#   08-12   2017   XXxxxxxx   Nº31   277 BAP
    98#   09-01   2017   RF-81252   Nº32   277 BAP      
    99#   09-02   2017   RF-81253   Nº33   277 BAP   Accident 18-ene-2019         
    100#   09-03   2017   XXxxxxxx   Nº35   277 BAP      
    101#   09-04   2017   RF-81254   Nº36   277 BAP*      
    102#   09-05   2017   RF-81256   Nº01   2 BAP         
    103#   09-06   2017   XXxxxxxx   Nº02   2 BAP         
    104#   09-07   2017   RF-81261   Nº03   2 BAP         
    105#   09-08   2017   RF-81258   Nº04   2 BAP         
    106#   09-09   2017   RF-81259   Nº05   2 BAP         
    107#   09-10   2017   XXxxxxxx   Nº06   2 BAP         
    108#   09-11   2018   RF-81851   Nº07   2 BAP            
    109#   09-12   2018   RF-81850   Nº08   2 BAP            
    110#   10-01   2018   RF-81852   Nº09   2 BAP      
    111#   10-02   2018   RF-81853   Nº10   2 BAP*         
    112#   10-03   2018   RF-81855   Nº11   2 BAP      
    113#   10-04   2018   XXxxxxxx   Nº12   2 BAP         
    114#   10-05   2018   RF-81856   Nº20   2 BAP      
    115#   10-06   2018   XXxxxxxx   Nº21   2 BAP      
    116#   10-07   2018   RF-81876   Nº22   2 BAP         
    117#   10-08   2018   RF-91878   Nº23   2 BAP         
    118#   10-09   2018   RF-91879   Nº24   2 BAP         
    119#   10-10   2018   RF-91877   Nº25   2 BAP         
    120#   10-11   2019   XXxxxxxx   Nº26   2 BAP         
    121#   10-12   2019   XXxxxxxx   Nº27   2 BAP         
    122#   11-01   2019   XXxxxxxx   Nº28   2 BAP         
    123#   11-02   2019   XXxxxxxx   Nº29   2 BAP         
    124#   11-03   2019   XXxxxxxx   Nº15   2 BAP         
    125#   11-04   2019   XXxxxxxx   Nº16   2 BAP         
    126#   11-05   2019   RF-95877   Nº11   4 TsBP         
    127#   11-06   2019   RF-95878   Nº37   277 BAP         
    128#   11-07   2020   XXxxxxxx   Nº09   ??   
    129#   11-08   2020   XXxxxxxx   Nº14   ??

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    Post  LMFS on Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:21 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:With the two last Su-34 delivered now the contract for 92 Su-34 of 2012 is fullfilled...

    Amazing research work, just 2 missing pictures out of 129 respekt

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    Post  marcellogo on Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:45 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    AMCXXL wrote:No, only two remained for delivery after receive 8 Su-34 last year, the two last at the end of december

    That means the news in Interfax that 4 units were still to be delivered were incorrect then:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t947p875-su-34-tactical-bomber-news#284736

    Do you think the contract for 20 units is going to be additionally to the announced 76 NVO, or will it be 76 in total, 20 now (without the modernization) and 56 modernized afterwards?

    It is interesting that the batch size is the same as in Su-57, as if they had "standardized" it: three regiment + 4 for training of instructors. I guess the training of the pilots will happen at their final air bases, once the instructors have been taught, otherwise the numbers for Lipetsk seem too low...

    Having an high performance trainer like Yak-130 allow to perform a larger part of training syllabus on it, so reducing the needed numbers of OCU planes.
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    Post  George1 on Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:23 am

    The Russian Aerospace Forces received the last two Su-34 front-line bombers under the 2012 contract

    According to the published data and spotter images, in July 2020, the Russian Aerospace Forces received the last two front-line Su-34 bombers manufactured by the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant named after V.P. Chkalov (NAZ) PJSC "Company" Sukhoi "under the contract with the Ministry of Defense of Russia from February 2012 for 92 such aircraft.

    According to the available information, these two Su-34 aircraft were completed and flown to NAZ in April and May 2020, respectively. The first of these aircraft with serial number 11-07 (aircraft T-10V-136) and tail number "14 red" was transferred to the 47th mixed aviation regiment of the 105th mixed aviation division of the 6th Leningrad Red Banner army in mid-July The Air Force and Air Defense of the Western Military District at the Baltimore airfield (Voronezh), which was officially announced on July 16 by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    Recall that the 47th mixed regiment became the first combat line regiment of the Aerospace Forces to receive Su-34 bombers - the number of 24 aircraft in 2011-2013 (machines of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th series). The now delivered 11-07 aircraft apparently replaced the 04-01 bomber in the 47th regiment (T-10V-34, tail number "28 red"), which suffered a famous rollover accident on June 4, 2015 when landing at Buturlinovka airfield and after repairs at the NAZ, transferred in 2018 to the Siberian Research Institute of Aviation named after I. S.A. Chaplygin in Novosibirsk for static tests.

    The last Su-34 aircraft under the 2012 contract - a bomber with serial number 11-08 (T-10V-137) and tail number "09 red" (registration number RF-95888) - was, according to known data, at the end of July 2020 transferred to the 968th separate mixed aviation regiment of the 4th State Center for Aviation Personnel Training and Military Testing of the Ministry of Defense of Russia named after V.P. Chkalov in Lipetsk. The center in Lipetsk previously received 12 Su-34 bombers, but in 2017-2019, three Lipetsk Su-34s of early production were decommissioned and transferred for use as ground training aids - aircraft 01-07 (T-10V-10) and 02- 02 (Т-10В-12) were transferred to the 183rd training center of the Russian Ministry of Defense in Rostov-on-Don, and the 02-03 aircraft (Т-10В-13, had the tail number "09 red" ) - to the Moscow Power Engineering Institute. To replace the latter, apparently, a new Su-34 with the same tail number was supplied.

    Thus, NAZ fully fulfilled the 2012 contract for the supply of 92 Su-34 aircraft to the Russian Aerospace Forces. The first two Su-34s under this contract were transferred to Novosibirsk to the Russian Air Force (VKS) on December 24, 2013, the next 18 aircraft in 2014, another 18 aircraft in 2015, 16 in 2016, 16 in 2017. 12 in 2018, eight in 2019 and now the last two in 2020.

    Earlier, NAZ manufactured the first five production Su-34 aircraft under the 2005 contract and 32 Su-34 aircraft under the 2009 contract. Taking into account seven experimental flight and pre-production models, the total number of flight Su-34s built under all contracts is 136 units. Of the 129 production aircraft supplied by the Russian Aerospace Forces, two have been lost in the crash (in a collision on January 18, 2019 over the Tatar Strait) and four have been reliably written off. Su-34 aircraft are in service with nine line squadrons of four combat aviation regiments of the Russian Aerospace Forces (2nd, 47th and 277th mixed, 559th bomber), as well as training centers in Lipetsk and Akhtubinsk.


    It is reported that in June 2020, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed a new three - year contractfor the construction of "about 20" front-line bombers Su-34. It is known that the first two aircraft under the new contract (serial numbers 11-09 and 11-10) were already in production at NAZ in the summer of 2019, and, apparently, will be delivered by the end of 2020.


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    Post  franco on Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:34 pm

    "It is reported that in June 2020, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed a new three - year contract for the construction of "about 20" front-line bombers Su-34. It is known that the first two aircraft under the new contract (serial numbers 11-09 and 11-10) were already in production at NAZ in the summer of 2019, and, apparently, will be delivered by the end of 2020."

    Remember reading back when the 92 aircraft order was announced that there was an option for a further 16 aircraft. Perhaps this order represents those.

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    Post  George1 on Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:42 am

    The first new Su-34 under a new contract


    It is reported that at the traditional "Doors Open Day" held on August 23, 2020 at the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant named after V.P. Chkalov (NAZ) PJSC Sukhoi Company for the first time demonstrated a new-built Su-34 front-line bomber. This aircraft is, presumably, the first, manufactured under a new three - year contract concluded in June 2020 by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the construction of 24 Su-34 bombers . Presumably, the first front-line bomber Su-34 made a new contract in 2020 to build 24 aircraft of this type of Novosibirsk aircraft plant named after Chkalov (PJSC "Company" Sukhoi "). Novosibirsk, August 2020 (c) VVN / russianplanes.

    Later in late August, this aircraft (presumably serial number 11-09) was filmed in flight during factory flight tests. It is known that the first two Su-34 aircraft under the new contract (serial numbers 11-09 and 11-10) were already in production at NAZ in the summer of 2019, and, apparently, will be delivered to the Russian Aerospace Forces in 2020.

    Taking into account seven experimental flight and pre-production models, the total number of flight Su-34s built under all contracts is 137 units. Of the 129 production aircraft supplied by the Russian Aerospace Forces, two have been lost in the crash (in a collision on January 18, 2019 over the Tatar Strait) and four have been reliably written off. Su-34 aircraft are in service with nine line squadrons of four combat aviation regiments of the Russian Aerospace Forces (2nd, 47th and 277th mixed, 559th bomber), as well as training centers in Lipetsk and Akhtubinsk.

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    Post  mnztr on Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:07 am

    how many do they builld each year? around 20? What will be the final number?
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    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:49 pm

    Russia's Sukhoi Su-34 jets make first-ever nighttime flight into stratosphere

    The aircraft destroyed a hypothetical enemy at a supersonic speed, according to the Central Military District's press service

    YEKATERINBURG, September 30. /TASS/. Crews of generation 4++ multifunctional fighter-bombers Sukhoi Su-34 from an aviation division of the Central Military District, in the Chelyabinsk Region, carried out a night-time flight into the lower stratosphere and destroyed a hypothetical enemy at a supersonic speed, the district's press service said.

    "During the training flights Sukhoi Su-34 crews carried out climbs to altitudes of about 15 kilometers, into the lower stratosphere. Upon achieving supersonic speeds they practiced interception and elimination of a hypothetical enemy. The crews operated totally on their own, without contacting air defense stations on the ground, which made the task more complex," the news release reads.

    In October last year, an air regiment of the Central Military District completed a program for rearmament to obtain the newest generation 4++ planes. The last three jets were redeployed to the Chelyabinsk Region in the last move that completed the formation of a second squadron of Sukhoi Su-34.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:33 pm

    That's interesting & good news- Su-34s will be used as interceptors as well. I guess they need them to fill in for those MiG-31s that were turned into bombers armed with Kinzhals.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:57 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:That's interesting & good news- Su-34s will be used as interceptors as well. I guess they need them to fill in for those MiG-31s that were turned into bombers armed with Kinzhals.

    I believe those older MiGs that became K models were mostly maintained but not used.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:41 am


    Now just figure out how to squeeze Kinzhal missile on them and you have a full package

    (I ain't even kidding, they can use extension adapter if it's too tight to do it directly)
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:51 am

    The Su-34 has a wider gap between engine nacelles... the Su-32 was supposed to carry the air launched version of the Moskit, which is the 4.5 ton air launched SS-N-22 Sunburn anti ship missile... which is pretty huge too... bigger than Onyx/Yakhont/Brahmos...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:03 pm

    SU-32FN- maritime strike Su-34 variant that may appear later.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:50 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:SU-32FN- maritime strike Su-34 variant that may appear later.

    Kinzhal or bust

    Cheap (proportionally) missile, cheap airplane, perfection

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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:48 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Kinzhal or bust

    Cheap (proportionally) missile, cheap airplane, perfection


    Sounds promising, how many SU-32's could a Storm class deploy atonce?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:25 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Kinzhal or bust

    Cheap (proportionally) missile, cheap airplane, perfection


    Sounds promising, how many SU-32's could a Storm class deploy atonce?

    Storm class will never see the light of day, hypersonic missiles were the last nail in the coffin for large aircraft carriers of the archaic WW2-era archetype. You'll see enlarged helicopter carriers with additional functionality to launch fixed wing aircraft, but that's about it.
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    Post  Hole on Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:04 pm

    Not helicopter, but drone carriers. thumbsup
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:13 am

    Currently the strongest defended targets in the western world are US carrier groups... their land base IADS are poor in comparison.

    A Russian carrier group with decent fighters (ie Su-57 based) and good AWACS platforms of what ever type are the key to a good air defence network at sea.

    Hypersonic manouvering missiles make large ships more vulnerable, but also much more necessary.

    A Yasen class SSGN in the south Atlantic could pick off any group of ships, but the most difficult target would be a carrier group because it will be more aware of what is happening and in the best position to defend itself.

    Right now they would lose a lot of ships... but ten years development and improvement would mean new Russian cruisers, destroyers and carriers would be much less vulnerable to attack than US carrier groups are right now, because better radar, better fighters, better missiles and more experience with manouvering hypersonic missiles...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:38 pm


    Just for the record Su-34 has ordinance capacity of 8000kg

    MiG-31 has 9000kg

    This is pretty small difference

    Weight of full size Iskander missile is 3800kg which means that Kinzhal weighs significantly less (does anyone have a number?)

    Do the math

    Naval SU-34 has to have ability to use Kinzhals, possibility is too good to pass up

    Unlike MiG-31 it's the aircraft which is in mass production and with pressurized cockpit and external fuel tanks it would be perfect for mass deployment and long patrols



    I mean is there anything stopping them from putting two Kinzhals on one Su-34 with external fuel tank in the middle?

    Just an idea, correct me if I'm wrong

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:26 am

    I would say the Kinzhal probably is not considerably lighter than the Iskander... I would say they would likely have a very similar weight...

    But I would refer you to photos from the early 1990s of the Su-32 shown with the MOSKIT... an air launched version of the ship launched SS-N-22 Sunburn carried by the Sovremeny class destroyers.

    The Moskit is a 4.5 ton missile, so a bigger heavier version of Kinzhal could be developed and carried on an Su-32.

    The real problems are speed and altitude... the MiG-31 is the primary carrier of the missile because it can fly to mach 2.5+ and launch the missile at altitudes above 14km... that is why it is the primary launcher.

    To expand the launch options I would say a Tu-22M3M would be a good solution only because a newer two stage Kinzhal missile could be developed with a bit of time and money... this would be worth it because you could add a second stage to the ground based missiles to radically extend their flight range too now that the INF treaty is gone.

    The Tu-22M3M could carry missiles twice as long as the current missile so just launching it from the air will greatly enhance its performance... carrying four missiles and having inflight refuelling reinstalled would make it a rather potent aircraft... especially if the internal rotary launcher can still carry the new mini 1,500km range cruise missiles too together with four externally carried hypersonic missiles with ranges of 3,000-4,500km or so...

    Listen to the US whine about Russian promises that no long range missiles will be carried by the Backfire... but then they are reinstalling the external weapon hard points for their B-1Bs for naval use so promises are being broken left right and centre... not to mention treaties...

    Kinzhal is rocket powered so heavily depending on speed and altitude at launch for its boosted performance over the ground launched Iskander.

    Zircon will likely get similar performance with half the weight, and over time new materials and fuels and scramjet designs will further improve performance.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:10 pm

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russias-su-34-strike-fighter-all-killer-171934
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    Post  George1 on Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:28 pm

    Two more Su-34s manufactured by the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant as an addition to the contract dated February 2012 for the supply of 92 Su-34 aircraft.

    The two aircrafts with side numbers "12" and "19" entered the 968th separate mixed aviation regiment of the 4th State Center for Aviation Personnel Training and Military Testing of the Ministry of Defense of Russia named after V.P. Chkalov in Lipetsk.

    So in total we have 125 aircrafts in service with VKS (2 kave been lost and 4 withdrwan from total 131 constructed)

    Russian Aerospace Forces received two more Su-34 aircraft



    As reported on December 2, 2020 by PJSC Sukhoi Company (as part of PJSC United Aircraft Corporation of Rostec State Corporation), it has completed another long-term contract for the supply of a batch of Su-34 fighter-bombers to the Russian Ministry of Defense. At the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant. V.P. Chkalov (NAZ named after V.P. Chkalov) - a branch of PJSC "Company" Sukhoi "manufactured and tested the final machine of the final batch.

    “We have manufactured about a hundred vehicles of this type in the interests of the military department under a long-term contract,” said Yuri Slyusar, General Director of PJSC UAC, General Director of Sukhoi Company. - This year has become important for us in terms of ensuring the state defense order. We have completed the fulfillment of our obligations to the Ministry of Defense under large long-term contracts for the supply of new modern aviation equipment. At the same time, we started to fulfill new contracts signed within the framework of the Army Forum, which allowed us to load our enterprises and provide work for our employees in several regions of the country. "

    In turn, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported on December 2 that the specialists of the military representation of the Ministry of Defense of Russia on the basis of the Sukhoi company accepted the Su-34 fighter-bomber. The machine passed all types of tests and was handed over to the representatives of the operating organization. The plane flew without comment from the Novosibirsk manufacturing plant to the Center for training aviation personnel and military tests of the Russian Ministry of Defense in Lipetsk.


    Bmpd's comment.According to known data, in November and December 2, 2020, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation thus received two additional front-line Su-34 bombers manufactured by the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant (NAZ, a branch of PJSC Sukhoi Company) as an addition to the contract dated February 2012 for the supply of 92 Su-34 aircraft. Thus, in total, under this long-term contract, 94 Su-34 aircraft were manufactured at NAZ. The first two Su-34s under this contract were transferred to Novosibirsk to the Russian Air Force (VKS) on December 24, 2013, the next 18 aircraft - in 2014, another 18 aircraft - in 2015, 16 - in 2016, 16 - in 2017. 12 in 2018, eight in 2019 and now the last four (including two additional) in 2020.

    According to the available information, two additional aircraft have red side numbers "12" and "19" (presumptive serial numbers, respectively, 11-09 / T-10V-138 and 11-10 / T-10V-139). Both of them, apparently, entered the 968th separate mixed aviation regiment of the 4th State Center for Aviation Personnel Training and Military Testing of the V.P. Chkalov Ministry of Defense of Russia in Lipetsk.

    Earlier in July 2020, the Russian Aerospace Forces receivedthe last two "regular" Su-34 aircraft under the 2012 contract - the first of these aircraft with serial number 11-07 (aircraft T-10V-136) and tail number "14 red" was transferred to the 47th mixed aviation regiment 105 -th mixed aviation division of the 6th Leningrad Red Banner Army of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Western Military District at the Baltimore airfield (Voronezh), and the second with serial number 11-08 (T-10V-137 aircraft) and tail number "14 red" was transferred to the composition of the 4th Center in Lipetsk.

    The center in Lipetsk previously received 12 Su-34 bombers, but in 2017-2019, three Lipetsk Su-34s of early release were decommissioned and transferred for use as ground training aids - aircraft 01-07 (T-10V-10) and 02- 02 (Т-10В-12) were transferred to the 183rd training center of the Ministry of Defense of Russia in Rostov-on-Don, and the 02-03 aircraft (Т-10В-13, had the tail number "09 red") - to the Moscow Energy institute.

    Earlier, NAZ manufactured the first five production Su-34 aircraft under the 2005 contract and 32 Su-34 aircraft under the 2009 contract. Taking into account seven experimental flight and pre-production models, the total number of flight Su-34s built under all contracts is 138 units. Of the 131 production aircraft supplied by the Russian Aerospace Forces, two have been lost in the crash (in a collision on January 18, 2019 over the Tatar Strait) and four have been reliably written off. Su-34 aircraft are in service with nine line squadrons of four combat aviation regiments of the Russian Aerospace Forces (2nd, 47th and 277th mixed, 559th bomber), as well as training centers in Lipetsk and Akhtubinsk.
    In August 2020, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed a new three - year contract for the construction of another 24 front-line Su-34 bombers.

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    The last two front-line bombers Su-34, manufactured by the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant named after V.P. Chkalov, PJSC Sukhoi Company, as a supplement to the contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense dated February 2012 - aircraft with red side numbers "12" and "19" (presumptive serial numbers, respectively, 11-09 / T-10V-138 and 11 -10 / T-10V-139) .It is worth noting that the planes have again changed the scheme of the side number image - now the side number is smaller and again with a border.Novosibirsk, November 2020 (c) VVN / russianplanes.net ( link and link )
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    Post  AMCXXL on Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:57 pm

    George1 wrote:Two more Su-34s manufactured by the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant as an addition to the contract dated February 2012 for the supply of 92 Su-34 aircraft.

    The two aircrafts with side numbers "12" and "19" entered the 968th separate mixed aviation regiment of the 4th State Center for Aviation Personnel Training and Military Testing of the Ministry of Defense of Russia named after V.P. Chkalov in Lipetsk.

    So in total we have 125 aircrafts in service with VKS (2 kave been lost and 4 withdrwan from total 131 constructed)


    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4203875.html

    Not exactly, bmpd has a little mistake

    For the moment 3 Su-34 crashed in accidents:
    - Two in january 2019 crashed over the sea
    - other crashed in the outskirts of Komsomolsk na Amure in october 2020.
    All three airplanes belonged to the 277º BAP

    Other reports said about other Su-34 was damaged in the accident of Janurry 2019, despite retruned Khurba airbase, could have been retired from service because the damage, however this is not fully confirmed

    At least 6 Su-34 have been retired

    - 4th TsBP i PLS (Lipetsk): 3 Su-34 of the installation batch have been retired and transferred to Research/Technical Institutes

    - 47º BAP (Voronezh): 3 Su-34 have been retired:
    * Nº28 had a incident he went off the runway and rolled over. After being repaired it was sent to the SibNIA institute in Novosibirsk, for static tests.
    * Nº01 and Nº26 have been retired and are stored in Voronezh. The cause is unknown and also is its future


    Then there are as much 122 Su-34 in service:
    - 47º BAP Voronezh: 24 (received 27, retired 3)
    - 559º BAP Morozobsk: 36
    - 277º Khurba: 24 (received 27, crashed 3)
    - 2º BAP Chelyabinsk: 24
    - Lipetsk: 10 (received 15, retired 3, transferred 2)
    - Akhtubinsk: 4

    Total: 122


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