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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 15, 2024 7:58 pm

    Fukin' Battlefield gen dunno

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    Post  Regular Wed May 15, 2024 8:18 pm

    Firebird wrote:What happened with Russia arming the Houthis etc against American/NATO ships?

    Didn’t happen. Iran is also reluctant to escalate even more. It is good how it is now.


    “ucmvulcan wrote:) lets ask ourselves, what exactly does one successful atacm that killed up to 11 people and damaged 3 planes and took out one battery of air defense change exactly?“

    Hopefully something will change to make these attacks less damaging. Adapt or perish.

    Anyways, so far, for us, observers this year will be very interesting.Things move too quick to follow, just like in 2022
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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed May 15, 2024 8:34 pm

    thegopnik wrote:

    WTF is there to be studied about for the ATACMs if the ATACMS is your average SRBM which the S-300S AND S-400S WERE DESIGNED TO INTERCEPT for some reason can't intercept these missiles when these missiles are used. I don't give a **** about the war but about the false advertising. I dont even think the S-500 designed against ICBM, SLBMs and HGVs would even work against those targets if either the S-300 and S-400s can't deal with average SRBMs.


    Why the F you discount what happened before the strike, like, here is a step by step to be a "Normal" person discussing AD Loss.

    1.Is the system on ?
    2.If it's on what is the coverage and limitations ?
    3.If the target is in the coverage and envelope, how many the targets are ?
    4.Does the system got saturated ?

    There are many variant of those but you just hop from the presence of the AD and it destroyed then bam, the AD is useless. That's fukin retarded way to discuss stuff. and sadly there are many of you around.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed May 15, 2024 8:37 pm

    thegopnik wrote:

    WTF is there to be studied about for the ATACMs if the ATACMS is your average SRBM which the S-300S AND S-400S WERE DESIGNED TO INTERCEPT for some reason can't intercept these missiles when these missiles are used. I don't give a **** about the war but about the false advertising. I dont even think the S-500 designed against ICBM, SLBMs and HGVs would even work against those targets if either the S-300 and S-400s can't deal with average SRBMs.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 15, 2024 8:46 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    A trophy M1 with US made ERA package.
    Too late for May 9th trophy, but still good enough.

    Just for the record, I have made a closer look and it seems fake to me. scratch
    If so - sorry!

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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 15, 2024 8:47 pm

    thegopnik wrote:
    WTF is there to be studied about for the ATACMs if the ATACMS is your average SRBM which the S-300S AND S-400S WERE DESIGNED TO INTERCEPT for some reason can't intercept these missiles when these missiles are used. I don't give a **** about the war but about the false advertising. I dont even think the S-500 designed against ICBM, SLBMs and HGVs would even work against those targets if either the S-300 and S-400s can't deal with average SRBMs.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it there were ten ATACM in the assault with one successfully hitting a military target. Assuming that the other nine didn't fall out of the sky of their own accord it means that they were shot down. How and what with we don't know but a 90% system success rate against a ten volley is probably a result most AD managements would count as a win.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed May 15, 2024 8:49 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    thegopnik wrote:
    WTF is there to be studied about for the ATACMs if the ATACMS is your average SRBM which the S-300S AND S-400S WERE DESIGNED TO INTERCEPT for some reason can't intercept these missiles when these missiles are used. I don't give a **** about the war but about the false advertising. I dont even think the S-500 designed against ICBM, SLBMs and HGVs would even work against those targets if either the S-300 and S-400s can't deal with average SRBMs.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it there were ten ATACM in the assault with one successfully hitting a military target. Assuming that the other nine didn't fall out of the sky of their own accord it means that they were shot down. How and what with we don't know but a 90% system success rate against a ten volley is probably a result most AD managements would count as a win.

    No no no, this is a doom and gloom session. Stats and proof that the weapons system was overwhelmingly successful in this case and has been proven overwhelming successful is not allowed in this dojo. Only irrational fear mongering and panic.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 15, 2024 8:51 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:

    No no no, this is a doom and gloom session.  Stats and proof that the weapons system was overwhelmingly successful in this case and has been proven overwhelming successful is not allowed in this dojo.  Only irrational fear mongering and panic.  

    Leave them free ... Tyranosaurs have found the others who can reach the Dick...

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    Post  Arrow Wed May 15, 2024 9:06 pm

    200 billion nominal is about 600 -700 billion PPP wrote:

    Comparable to the USA.

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    Post  Arrow Wed May 15, 2024 9:10 pm

    Anyways, so far, for us, observers this year will be very interesting.Things move too quick to follow, just like in 2022 wrote:

    Today the offensive in the Kharkov region has stopped. About 10% of Volchansk was captured.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 15, 2024 9:13 pm

    Back to something that matters. Just imagine the atmosphere in NATO ops rooms across the World where they are watching a top class plan unfolding in front of them in realtime, knowing that there is nothing they can do to stop it. Whilst their politicians dream on ignoring that reality.

    Ukrainian TG channel reports:

    The offensive of the Russian Armed Forces in the north of the Kharkov region is aimed at cutting off the supply of the Kupyansk group.

    The enemy's advance near Volchansk creates an acute tactical problem regarding the supply of Kupyansk. However, it can develop into a strategic problem. The offensive here is already proceeding in two directions: towards Kharkov and along the Seversky Donets River.

    The attack on the village of Glubokoe is connected with the plans of the Russian Armed Forces to advance to Kharkov to fire at the Ukrainian Armed Forces group located there with cannon artillery. For this purpose, the Russians intend to capture the village of Liptsy and strengthen their positions there, which will make it possible to pin down the main forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces located in Kharkov.

    At the same time, another part of the Kharkov group of the Russian Armed Forces, which is storming the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Volchansk and Staritsa, will continue to expand the bridgehead along the Seversky Donets River and move in the direction of Getmanovka and Shevchenkovo ​​in order to cut off the supply of the Kupyansk group. Natural geography - r. The Seversky Donets and air and artillery escort will cover the right flank of the Russians, at the same time the bridges along the river will be destroyed, and the threat of an attack on Kharkov (from Lipitsa) will not allow Ukrainian units to leave the city.

    At the same time, it is impossible to transfer serious reserves of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to stop enemy forces. Firstly, there is a lack of fortifications, and they will not have time to build them quickly. And secondly, there is a lack of people (“no reserves”). And neither the West is yet ready to help solve this problem, nor Ukraine itself can solve it.

    The enemy’s tactics of “thousands of small cuts” are bleeding the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The Russians are striking in many directions at once, stretching and depleting Ukrainian reserves. After which, in one place or another, the Russians break through the defense. And in the same way, the Russians will make a breakthrough to Getmanovka and Shevchenkovo ​​in order to cut the N-26 highway and begin to reach the rear of the Kupyanskaya group. Simultaneously with the approach to populated areas, the Russian Armed Forces will intensify the pressure in the Kupyansk direction in order to cut off the supply routes for the Ukrainian Armed Forces units there.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 15, 2024 9:15 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    Today the offensive in the Kharkov region has stopped.  About 10% of Volchansk was captured.

    But has it stopped or is it just a pause? The million $ question.

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    Post  nomadski Wed May 15, 2024 9:19 pm




    How does this ATACMS work ? Does it use GPS ? Whatever guidance it uses , then moving the SAM regularly , will help a lot . But if it uses only GPS , then finding out how this information is obtained , will help defeat this missile . I can think of many potential ways : ( 1 ) Operator on the ground with laser range finder and GPS tracker . ( 2 ) Low flying drone with the same equipment . ( 3 ) High flying stealth drone with special Radar . ( 4 ) AWACS ( 5 ) Satellites . Design an experiment with realistic dummy in exposed position and eliminate the variables . Then you know how GPS coordinates found . Then take action .


    NB : If high tech system , necessarily beyond capability of Ukraine is being used , by NATO personnel . Then at least that system becomes legitimate target , since operating outside NATO territory in offensive operation . If satellite , then hard kill etc .


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    Post  Arrow Wed May 15, 2024 9:22 pm

    But has it stopped or is it just a pause? The million $ question. wrote:


    We'll see, maybe they'll bring in bigger forces now?
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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 15, 2024 9:23 pm

    Meanwhile in the south the rolling back of the US continues as Crimea as a target shrinks in the rear view mirror. Targhet Orekhov?

    For those who enjoy comparisons to WW2 was Rabotino the peak of Ukraine's "Battle of the Bulge".

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    "The settlement of Rabotino, Orekhov direction in the Zaporozhye Oblast was taken under Russian control," Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation 🇷🇺.
    (the whole pride of Ukrainians "Counteroffensive" gone)

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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 15, 2024 9:25 pm

    Arrow wrote:
    We'll see, maybe they'll bring in bigger forces now?

    Of course they will, to keep the doubt riding high. From now on uncertainty is the name of the plan.
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    Post  Isos Wed May 15, 2024 9:27 pm

    Air defence systems proved to be a real pain in the ass. Not useless at all. 1 s-400 radar destroyed isn't a big issue.

    200 billion $ is quite low for a high intensity conflict like the war in Ukraine. Forget about your list of carriers, Gorshkovs, mig-35... they will be lucky if they can replace all their losses first. Number of destroyed vehicles is huge. Their air force also took a lot of hits. I won't talk about their navy.

    Supporting 100 thousands of troops in a real war with very heavy equipement with daily combats and huge training programs at home cost a shit ton of money. The fact they need to increase spending for MoD is a bad sign, it cost way much more than they expected. They also still have their operation in Syria that cost a lot too.

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    Post  Hole Wed May 15, 2024 10:14 pm

    Yet, we will face a bunch of morons busy with whining and yapping every single time, when one of tens of missiles gets through.
    If the whole of NATO needs 3x the ammount of missiles the bloc has to destroy 10% of the Russian AD systems/radars,
    the Russian side won.

    we are obliged to manage resources efficiently and effectively.
    American politician/general: What????

    There are no changes in the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and there are no plans. 
    So much for the "purge" some people were/are talking about.

    I will just remind you that the Red Army back there used to be about 4+ mln force.
    Mostly conscripts. Very cheap. 

    We are about to see an explosion of military spending
    Not spending as such, which is already high, but procurement of different stuff.

    from the presence of the AD and it destroyed then bam, the AD is useless. T
    If your enemy needs most if not all of his missiles to hit the AD systems, the AD system worked.  Very Happy

    Only irrational fear mongering and panic.
    Just follow the pattern of the Banderites: all missiles were shot down. 

    Comparable to the USA.
    US is wasting most of the money on bases and carriers.
    And consultants.

    But has it stopped or is it just a pause? 
    Neither. Still moving forward.

    Number of destroyed vehicles is huge. 
    Procurement is much higher than the losses.

    Their air force also took a lot of hits. 
    See above.

    I won't talk about their navy.
    Black Sea Fleet will receive 2 Karakurts this year and new, much larger and better landing ships in the near future.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed May 15, 2024 10:31 pm

    Isos wrote:Air defence systems proved to be a real pain in the ass. Not useless at all. 1 s-400 radar destroyed isn't a big issue.

    200 billion $ is quite low for a high intensity conflict like the war in Ukraine. Forget about your list of carriers, Gorshkovs, mig-35... they will be lucky if they can replace all their losses first. Number of destroyed vehicles is huge. Their air force also took a lot of hits. I won't talk about their navy.

    Supporting 100 thousands of troops in a real war with very heavy equipement with daily combats and huge training programs at home cost a shit ton of money. The fact they need to increase spending for MoD is a bad sign, it cost way much more than they expected. They also still have their operation in Syria that cost a lot too.

    Replacement has been happening before increase in spending

    The reality is, that depending on export orders for procurement is a shitty way to arm the military

    Just spend the money to buy what you need,

    The whole reason everything has been slow from ship building and submarines, to fighters and tanks is because of lack of spending on procurement


    Instead of giving money for Lider , Gorshkov M, Mig35

    They settled for 22160 unarmed shit , 22800 no engine shit, 677 kilo clone, and a ridiculous project of modernizing t80/90 along a whole list of other failure projects to grift on

    The rest of the money from the budget has just been sitting in wealth funds, while RU got bitch slapped by NATO sinking countless ships, destroying jets and tanks , and bypassing the IADS because of only 200 sukhois for the largest country in the world

    So now we will see T14, Mig35, Gorshkov M, and so on because that's what they should have spent the money on in the first place

    Not these little cute failed projects
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed May 15, 2024 10:38 pm

    https://t.me/remylind21/21952

    The big man arrived in China

    What to ask for?

    AESA radars?

    Electromagnetic catapult?

    Drone components?

    We shall see, there's plenty of money to spend

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    Post  Kiko Wed May 15, 2024 10:40 pm

    Increased spending on defense and Security give impetus to the development of industry, says Putin, 05.15.2024.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday (15) that all social obligations to citizens must be fulfilled by increasing the country's defence and security spending.

    Russia's total defence and security spending will account for about 8.7 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in 2024, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday.

    "In 2024, this year, our total defence and security spending will amount to about 8.7 percent, maybe a little more," Putin said at a meeting with commanders of military districts.

    Yandex Translate from Portuguese.

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    Post  thegopnik Wed May 15, 2024 10:42 pm

    Crimea is a ATACMS punching bag
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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 15, 2024 10:56 pm

    Rise your hand, if your mummy dropped you twice - or more if one time was not enough?

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed May 15, 2024 11:01 pm

    thegopnik wrote:Crimea is a ATACMS punching bag
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    Yup it happened again.

    Could be a missile, might not even be in Ukraine. That looks like a police chase here in the fourth reich. Know what posting NAFO posts makes you right? An IDIOT.

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