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    Post  nomadski Wed May 15, 2024 9:45 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1790717780548850118

    AD must be in forward position , but aircraft can be in rear areas , out of reach of ATACAMS . The BM can not destroy refuelling air tankers !

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    Post  Regular Wed May 15, 2024 11:15 am

    S400 actually, not S350 destroyed in ATACMS strike

    https://x.com/russiabattlemap/status/1790719333586354203?s=46
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    Post  Hole Wed May 15, 2024 11:24 am

    but that is more to do with future directions and plans and also ensuring new stuff is properly implimented 
    Judging by the facts that Belousov is a Mathematician and planner,
    Shoigu is the High Chief of all things related to Military and Security,
    Patrushev is the boss of Shipbuilding and Borrisov the Master of all satellites,
    my guess is that there will be some big procurements coming up.

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    Post  thegopnik Wed May 15, 2024 11:27 am

    so ATACMs strikes on crimea is the new norm?
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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed May 15, 2024 11:37 am

    thegopnik wrote:so ATACMs strikes on crimea is the new norm?
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    Yeah. and Ukies got NATO intel backup which to map when Russian AD goes offline and online.

    If one ask why they have to go offline is because Radar cannot run indefinitely. be it routine maintenance or refuelling. Russian SAM's either use external diesel generator or vehicle mounted gas turbine. The operational limit would be 48 hours at least according to the S-300V/VM brochure. Thus if your enemy can map when your battery is offline for refuelling, they can then pick the time to strike.

    The other thing would be saturation, with decoys or jamming to deplete the missile of the battery.

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    Post  Firebird Wed May 15, 2024 12:17 pm

    What happened with Russia arming the Houthis etc against American/NATO ships?

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    Post  thegopnik Wed May 15, 2024 12:19 pm

    Was it an S-400 radar or S-300 flap lid radar?
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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed May 15, 2024 12:22 pm

    thegopnik wrote:Was it an S-400 radar or S-300 flap lid radar?

    That's definitely 92N6 for S-400's. You can see the position of datalink antenna. 92N6 have it behind the 2nd wheel, while earlier S-300 using MAZ chassis it's right behind the engine cab and above first wheel.

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    Post  thegopnik Wed May 15, 2024 12:26 pm

    Advertise S-400s can deal with hypersonic maneuverable missiles, get destroyed by a non-maneuverable missile that is not even a PRSM missile. Holy **** air defenses are useless in this war.

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    Post  lyle6 Wed May 15, 2024 12:49 pm

    >2 years, hundreds of failed missile strikes and they finally got one. Shits useless Sad
    Tell me you're retarded without telling me you're retarded.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 15, 2024 12:54 pm

    lyle6 wrote:>2 years, hundreds of failed missile strikes and they finally got one. Shits useless Sad
    Tell me you're retarded without telling me you're retarded.

    ... while the other side decimates them on a daily basis, and everything that leaves the cave has an MTBD counted in dozens of minutes Laughing

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed May 15, 2024 12:54 pm

    thegopnik wrote:Advertise S-400s can deal with hypersonic maneuverable missiles, get destroyed by a non-maneuverable missile that is not even a PRSM missile. Holy **** air defenses are useless in this war.

    Yes and no, not every air defense system (even the best) will work all the time.  Frankly, I'd rather have an S-400 defending my airspace than a patriot.  What we are watching is a constant evolution in war.  That is what makes the slow ground and pound of this war dangerous in that regard.  It allows both Russia and the United Shits (I am not changing the autocomplete on that one) to test its foes' best west weapons systems and collect data on them without having to face your biggest foe directly.  The bad news is we have to deal with Karl and the Ukrotrash and doomers all fucking day.  The good news is this event will be studied and these NATO weapons and their operators will be dealt with shortly.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 15, 2024 1:02 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:Frankly, I'd rather have an S-400 defending my airspace than a patriot.  

    This is what I call a serious understatement.

    Patriots proved to be close to useless, in the conflicts ongoing for the last decade.
    Forcing not only the US to withdraw them from the theatre where those were stationed - to avoid humiliation.
    But it forced the country - one of the closest allies - to bend down to the negotiation table with fukin' YEMENI and HOUTIES, in order to avoid really strategic scale of core business destruction.

    Years after, Israelis calling them USELESS and replacing them with domestic products ASAP, after a humiliating Iranian strike.

    On the other hand, Russki made AD fights for 2+ years, with the most sophisticated tools that the west can supply, supported by the ICR of an entire NATO.
    And real effects are higher than those given in fukin' CATALOGUES.

    Yet, we will face a bunch of morons busy with whining and yapping every single time, when one of tens of missiles gets through.

    Your mumy dropped you head down on the floor once you were a newborn or something?

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    Post  thegopnik Wed May 15, 2024 1:14 pm

    yeah, but most of Ukraine's arsenal against Russian air defenses consisted of using either drones or slow cruise missiles these past 2 years and they get the bare minimum on ATACM missiles supplied. They destroyed S-300 or S-400 launchers in Crimea not too long ago as well with visual evidence of the destroyed launchers on the map with the use of ATACMs. This just proves that Russian long-range air defenses are useless against ATACMs but work against drones or cruise missiles.

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    Considering we got more visual proof of another S-400 getting destroyed today. this just shows ATACMs does work or rather that Russia was lucky these past 2 years that Ukraine barely had ATACMs.
    This basically concludes patriots and S-300 or S-400 systems are both equally useless to hypersonic missiles where one country barely has any and the other has way more in supply.


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed May 15, 2024 1:24 pm

    Путин объяснил назначение Белоусова главой Минобороны возросшими расходами на оборону и безопасность, в 2024 году они составят около 8,7% ВВП. - TASS

    Putin explained the appointment of Belousov as head of the Ministry of Defense by increased spending on defense and security, which in 2024 will amount to about 8.7% of GDP. - TASS

    In nominal terms, Russia is about to spend 200 billion USD

    That's 300 Mig 35 - 6 billion USD

    15 Gorshkov M - 10 billion USD

    200 Su57 - 10 billion USD

    2 Lamantin or Storm Carriers - 15 billion USD

    8-10 Lider Destroyers - 10 billion USD

    2 carriers - 10-15 billion USD

    T14 program - 20 billion USD

    And so on

    Anyway a fuckton of procurement is about to happen

    In a way RUMOD getting slapped in the face is the best thing that could have ever happened for us

    8.7 % GDP, we bout to be bigger than USSR lmfao

    200 billion nominal is about 600 -700 billion PPP


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed May 15, 2024 1:31 pm

    “This is what the whole country expects from us and from you” - Putin said that the Russian Armed Forces are advancing in all directions and are improving their position every day.

    Vladimir Putin, during a meeting with the commanders of military districts, said that the more efficiently our army works, the more chances Russia have to resolve the issue with Ukraine peacefully. He recalled that Russia was forced to start protecting people in these territories.

    The Russian leader introduced the new Minister of Defense Andrei Belousov to the commander and General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces. The meeting was also attended by the former head of the Moscow Region Shoigu.

    What else happened at the meeting:

    ▫Putin thanked the commanders of the military districts for the combat work, noting that the work is going according to plan . In addition, the president separately noted Shoigu and thanked him for what he had done as head of the Ministry of Defense to create a new look for the armed forces.

    ▫The President introduced Belousov to the commanders of the military districts as the new Minister of Defense. The Russian leader linked the appointment of the head of the Ministry of Defense with the increase in military spending: “we are obliged to manage resources efficiently and effectively.” In 2024 they will amount to about 8.7% of GDP;

    ▫There are no changes in the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and there are no plans. The bloc, according to the president, operates successfully and rhythmically;

    ▫All social obligations to citizens must be fulfilled, despite increased defense costs, the president also added.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 15, 2024 1:33 pm


    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    8.7 % GDP, we bout to be bigger than USSR lmfao

    And that is the issue because the SU in a peak has been spending around 8% for years.
    Putin doesn't want that to repeat, so they need to optimize the spending and bring it to an average of 5-6%.
    Which is achievable, with no serious effect on the scale.
    I will just remind you that the Red Army back there used to be about 4+ mln force.

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    Post  thegopnik Wed May 15, 2024 1:38 pm

    ALAMO wrote:

    I didn't ask for more proof that you have been dropped in early childhood, nor did I show the finger - so all the blame is on you now.

    Lets not be sour about this and call apples as apples and oranges as oranges. US talks about supplying ATACMs 2 months ago, one month ago some long-range s-300 or s-400 air defense launchers get destroyed and now we are here where an S-400 radar got destroyed. Even Stevie Wonder would see a pattern here.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed May 15, 2024 1:40 pm

    Now that Karla and the Doomers and Ukrotrash have circlejerked to climax (for the love of God why don't you and the Banderites get a damn room already) lets ask ourselves, what exactly does one successful atacm that killed up to 11 people and damaged 3 planes and took out one battery of air defense change exactly? The 11 dead are the hardest to replace, the air defense system and the planes will be replaced in a month or two (maybe less time) and the atacm will be studied and stopped. Meanwhile, when Nazi Banderstan and their troll and doomer army hypes up a singular success, you know things have to be going rancidly bad in Kharkov and Sumy. By the way, how goes the offense there. Any spectacular wehrmacht achievements there or are nazis getting their one way tickets to Unka Adolf and grandpa Bandera.

    Yeah, those of us who have monitored this war long enough know that this is a predictable pattern. Russia kicks fascist ass at the front and Ukraine loses territory and men and material it can't replace, and then Ukraine does a fairly minor missile attack or some godawful terrorist attack against civilians in Belgorod or Moscow, people who mostly have nothing to do with the war, or manage to find out that there was a fire in the canteen at some munitions factory in the Urals (to which the Ukrainians claim was caused by either a stealth drone or saboteur) and claim that the war is won, SEND MONEY NOW!!!!

    Then Russia lights up the night sky all over Ukraine with missile strikes against arms depots, baracks with NATO terrorists, and energy infrastructure that are all rebranded the last children's hospital in a particular region.

    Then the Russians take more land, wipe out a shit ton more Banderites on the battlefield and the process starts all over again. Even better, its the same stupid motherfuckers here who always keep the pattern up.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed May 15, 2024 1:41 pm

    ALAMO wrote:


    And that is the issue because the SU in a peak has been spending around 8% for years.
    Putin doesn't want that to repeat, so they need to optimize the spending and bring it to an average of 5-6%.
    Which is achievable, with no serious effect on the scale.
    I will just remind you that the Red Army back there used to be about 4+ mln force.

    Needs to be spent adequately

    On things we talk about in this forum for years, but with slow movement

    Now with Patrushev in charge of USC , and Belousov in charge of procurement , with Shoigu handling the largest accounts

    We are about to see an explosion of military spending

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed May 15, 2024 1:41 pm

    thegopnik wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:

    I didn't ask for more proof that you have been dropped in early childhood, nor did I show the finger - so all the blame is on you now.

    Lets not be sour about this and call apples as apples and oranges as oranges. US talks about supplying ATACMs 2 months ago, one month ago some long-range s-300 or s-400 air defense launchers get destroyed and now we are here where an S-400 radar got destroyed. Even Stevie Wonder would see a pattern here.

    The pattern is spelled out clearly in the post below this one.
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    Post  Arrow Wed May 15, 2024 1:44 pm

    I will just remind you that the Red Army back there used to be about 4+ mln force. wrote:

    And 40k nuclear warheads and 10k strategic ones.

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    Post  thegopnik Wed May 15, 2024 1:49 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:Now that Karla and the Doomers and Ukrotrash have circlejerked to climax (for the love of God why don't you and the Banderites get a damn room already) lets ask ourselves, what exactly does one successful atacm that killed up to 11 people and damaged 3 planes and took out one battery of air defense change exactly? The 11 dead are the hardest to replace, the air defense system and the planes will be replaced in a month or two (maybe less time) and the atacm will be studied and stopped.  Meanwhile, when Nazi Banderstan and their troll and doomer army hypes up a singular success, you know things have to be going rancidly bad in Kharkov and Sumy.  By the way, how goes the offense there. Any spectacular wehrmacht achievements there or are nazis getting their one way tickets to Unka Adolf and grandpa Bandera.  

    Yeah, those of us who have monitored this war long enough know that this is a predictable pattern.  Russia kicks fascist ass at the front and Ukraine loses territory and men and material it can't replace, and then Ukraine does a fairly minor missile attack or some godawful terrorist attack against civilians in Belgorod or Moscow, people who mostly have nothing to do with the war, or manage to find out that there was a fire in the canteen at some munitions factory in the Urals (to which the Ukrainians claim was caused by either a stealth drone or saboteur) and claim that the war is won, SEND MONEY NOW!!!!

    Then Russia lights up the night sky all over Ukraine with missile strikes against arms depots, baracks with NATO terrorists, and energy infrastructure that are all rebranded the last children's hospital in a particular region.  

    Then the Russians take more land, wipe out a shit ton more Banderites on the battlefield and the process starts all over again.  Even better, its the same stupid motherfuckers here who always keep the pattern up.  

    WTF is there to be studied about for the ATACMs if the ATACMS is your average SRBM which the S-300S AND S-400S WERE DESIGNED TO INTERCEPT for some reason can't intercept these missiles when these missiles are used. I don't give a **** about the war but about the false advertising. I dont even think the S-500 designed against ICBM, SLBMs and HGVs would even work against those targets if either the S-300 and S-400s can't deal with average SRBMs.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed May 15, 2024 1:52 pm

    thegopnik wrote:
    ucmvulcan wrote:Now that Karla and the Doomers and Ukrotrash have circlejerked to climax (for the love of God why don't you and the Banderites get a damn room already) lets ask ourselves, what exactly does one successful atacm that killed up to 11 people and damaged 3 planes and took out one battery of air defense change exactly? The 11 dead are the hardest to replace, the air defense system and the planes will be replaced in a month or two (maybe less time) and the atacm will be studied and stopped.  Meanwhile, when Nazi Banderstan and their troll and doomer army hypes up a singular success, you know things have to be going rancidly bad in Kharkov and Sumy.  By the way, how goes the offense there. Any spectacular wehrmacht achievements there or are nazis getting their one way tickets to Unka Adolf and grandpa Bandera.  

    Yeah, those of us who have monitored this war long enough know that this is a predictable pattern.  Russia kicks fascist ass at the front and Ukraine loses territory and men and material it can't replace, and then Ukraine does a fairly minor missile attack or some godawful terrorist attack against civilians in Belgorod or Moscow, people who mostly have nothing to do with the war, or manage to find out that there was a fire in the canteen at some munitions factory in the Urals (to which the Ukrainians claim was caused by either a stealth drone or saboteur) and claim that the war is won, SEND MONEY NOW!!!!

    Then Russia lights up the night sky all over Ukraine with missile strikes against arms depots, baracks with NATO terrorists, and energy infrastructure that are all rebranded the last children's hospital in a particular region.  

    Then the Russians take more land, wipe out a shit ton more Banderites on the battlefield and the process starts all over again.  Even better, its the same stupid motherfuckers here who always keep the pattern up.  

    WTF is there to be studied about for the ATACMs if the ATACMS is your average SRBM which the S-300S AND S-400S WERE DESIGNED TO INTERCEPT for some reason can't intercept these missiles when these missiles are used. I don't give a **** about the war but about the false advertising. I dont even think the S-500 designed against ICBM, SLBMs and HGVs would even work against those targets if either the S-300 and S-400s can't deal with average SRBMs.

    Find a plastic bag, wrap tightly around your head and breathe in deeply. Repeat the process long enough until you don't babble on about a single successful attack that took down most of the weapons it was meant to destroy. Off to the foes list for you.

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