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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:36 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I wonder where did our friend Karl Haushofer go?

    I'm afraid you'll have to make do with just my belated return for now What a Face
    You are alive! What a Face

    I really thought that something bad happened. Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Broski Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:50 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:This war stops as soon as they, the Ukrainians, start going to the local cemeteries and realize 31,000 starts looking like 310,000.  Putin is right in that this is sort of a hostage rescue mission, but his tactics  are still somewhat wrong as government buildings, military bases, bridges, roads, refineries. airports, rail yards, and factories need to join their power plants in being reduced to piles of bricks and mixed steel and their internet, radio, and tv towers need to be knocked out. Once they realize the cause is hopeless, that their government is refusing to hold elections, and they are being used to fatten the pockets of American and European (and their own) oligarchs, there will be regime change and an end to war.
    As frustrating as it is that Russia refuses to go scorched Earth on the Ukraine, it is easy to understand why they don't. The main reason the EU/US/UK has no leverage anymore is because they threw everything they could short of Nuclear warheads at Russia and still lost. They have nothing else to threaten the Russians with at this point. Like you said, there's plenty of Ukrainian politicians, government buildings, bridges, power plants, roads, refineries, gas storage facilities and the like that Russia has not targeted... yet.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:51 pm

    GarryB wrote:The hint is in the fact that they are using two BREM tank towing vehicles... each of which can tow Russian tanks on their own, but they require two to shift one US tank.

    Can we say obese?

    And it isn't like the extra protection helped it very much.

    Remember, the US Military and MIC is essentially an economic stimulus program. The Red Army couldn't leave eastern Europe after the war for political considerations and for security concerns (betternhave a solid buffer between yourself and the enemy). The US couldn't shut down the war machine because doing so would have stopped the economic engine that had been surging sincr 1940. Sure, it was called "defending democracy" against a Soviet state that never wanted another war and wanted time to recovet but that didn't stop Russia from being "the enemey!" The MIC needed to sell wars so that it could get taxpayers to pad their pockets so we got domino theory, various missile crises, and all that crap. In the 90s, new enemies had to be created wholesale and so powerful hallucinations were dreamed up that Saddam Hussein, a secular strong man with little to naval power and no long range bombers would somehow force American women to wear burkhas if he wasn't stopped in Kuwait.

    In the later 90s bombing countries in the middle of putting down insurgencies for humanitarian reasons became the rage and killing 500,000 Iraqi children was well worth the sanctions. The destruction of stable secular states in north Africa and southwest Asia (where you want secular governments) was hailed as an arab spring and ISIS was called pro democracy forces because the western MIC was bankrolling them.

    The Abrams is the phyeical embodiment of the US revenue making strategy. Its useful in quick (20 day or less wars) where the US enjoys complete air supremacy, total artillery superiority, a solid logistics network, with well trained and led forces taking on poorly trained, equipped. and led conscripts. Groups such as Bellingcat and the CIA and US military wankers propagandize the superiority and mystique of their weapojs but they are soiling themselves because their tanks are looking extremely vulnerable against near peer rivals whose forces are well equipped, trained, led, and able.

    The Abrams bloat was designed to impress and awe as it was so much heavier, better armed and superior in every way to the T-72 and T-90 and yet this is only true if by T-72 you mean the low grade export models the Soviets gave to Saddam that lacked fully charged shells. that lacked electronic countrrmeasures and armor packages that were even standard in the 80s. Its being discretely pulled back like the leopards and challengers because burning tanks don't advertise well and the MIC loses money

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:00 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I wonder where did our friend Karl Haushofer go?

    I'm afraid you'll have to make do with just my belated return for now What a Face

    Welcome back, its been awhile! Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:04 pm

    What is the main problem here, is the fact that the anglosaxons were using propaganda to push their own agenda forever.
    It created an environment, where every single news was being created as a part of general information war and strategy.
    Negative opinions against "enemies" were constructed, created and spread with sometimes so unbelievable channels, that till this very day, people get shocked.
    Hollywood, video games, all social media platforms are being used for the goal.
    At the end, we have a situation where a regular person, busy with his daily matters, never heard a single positive and true information about targeted enemies.
    So if  there will be any sane voice emerging, it will be rejected as being a clear opposite to the common knowledge.
    Everybody knew, that ... is a universal construct that was dictated to the masses, and now anyone who will provide an opposite view is being considered as a madman.
    That is why anyone who dares, must have balls of steel, because it means contesting most of the popular knowledge, which was simply a giant misinformation campaign.
    Joesef Goebbels said once, that giant lies are easy to apply to the masses, because of being so giant. And that a lie repeated 1000 times became truth.

    Just as an example, take a closer look at the Twitter/X platform.
    Every serious academic study repeats same. Most of the content there is created by boots.
    Elon Musk revealed just same, as a part of negotiation strategy, calling a 80% (!!!!) of the Twitter "content" being just fake. This "content" and unreal accounts were being used as a part of pricing policy - being just a fraud.
    University of Adelaide published studies about twitts regarding the RU/UKR conflict, quite early in the war.
    They have figured, that depending of the criteria applied to the content - the number of tweets made by boots is even higher than later claimed by Musk. And that a HUGE majority of those is a proUkr content.
    The same stated Musk literally a few days ago. That from the X administrator perspective, they do recognize a very big propaganda about the war. But hardly none of it is coming from Russia, or is pro-Russian.
    So we have - again - a giant campaign of lies, where the affected side is being claimed of doing exactly those things, the affectors do!

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:57 pm

    GarryB wrote:That would be the drive sprocket... normally they deal with that by taking the tracks off and let the main wheels act as rollers...

    Check this out :



    Do you see?
    Wheels don't roll at all. Like blocked or something.
    The same case was with L2.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Apr 29, 2024 4:30 pm

    At price stated these must be nothing but junk. And Mig-27 are useless to Ukraine they never used them and haven't used Mig-23 for decades so highly unlikely anyone fit enough to fly them or that they most likely already dead. As the article suggests nothing more than a few spare parts and used as decoys. But regardless of the use Kazakhstan needs hauled over the coals. Russia should do it's own CAASTA type sanctions putting sanctions on those who are against Russia. Kazakhstan forgets it's Su-30 spare parts can run dry pretty quick and a coup can easily happen. Once Russia wins the war Kazakhstan will come grovelling back to Russia but Russia won't forget and will ensure Kazakhstan pays a heavy price. Such a dumb move Kazakhstan.



    The United States has reportedly procured 81 obsolete Soviet-era combat aircraft from Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic, with intentions to supply them to Ukraine.

    Kazakhstan, like other former Soviet states, inherited a range of Soviet military assets following the disintegration of the Communist bloc in the 1990s.

    Kazakhstan has gradually modernized its fleet in recent years, transitioning from outdated Soviet-made combat aircraft to more contemporary models like the Russian Su-30SM multi-role aircraft.

    In October last year, Kazakhstan declared its plan to sell 117 Soviet-era fighter and bomber aircraft as part of this process. These included MiG-31 interceptors, MiG-27 fighter-bombers, MiG-29 fighters, and Su-24 bombers manufactured during the 1970s and 1980s.

    The declared sale value stood at one billion Kazakhstani tenge, equivalent to approximately $2.26 million, with an average value of $19,300 per plane

    At the time, EurAsian Times reported that the aircraft were deemed unusable and economically impractical for modernization, with limited utility as a source of spare parts.

    However, reports from the Russian English-language news site Reporter.RU and the Ukrainian Telegram channel Insider UA revealed that the US recently purchased 81 aircraft through offshore entities. The report added that the acquired aircraft include MiG-27s, MiG-29s, and Su-24s.

    This development occurs amid Kazakhstan’s increasing alignment with the West in Central Asia, potentially straining its historical ties with Russia, a crucial military and strategic ally in the post-Soviet space.

    During his visit to Kazakhstan in March 2023, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken strongly supported the country’s “independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity.”

    Soon after that, some Russian commentators suggested that Russia should closely monitor Kazakhstan, fearing a replication of the turmoil seen in Ukraine. Vladimir Solovyov, a prominent Russian TV commentator, warned of potential unrest in Kazakhstan akin to what occurred in Ukraine, cautioning against similar “Nazi processes” taking root in the region.

    The aircraft models obtained by the US, like MiG-27s, MiG-29s, and Su-24 bombers, are highly compatible with Ukraine’s operational capabilities, fueling speculation that they might be intended for deployment to Kyiv.

    Reports suggest that the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) could disassemble them for spare parts or utilize the obsolete airframes as decoys at airfields, enhancing their operational flexibility and survivability.

    The potential transfer of Su-24 bombers is of particular significance, as it could play a crucial role in maintaining Ukraine’s existing fleet of Su-24s.

    Ukraine has extensively utilized this platform against Russian forces, with support from NATO allies transforming these into a lethal deep-strike system. The exact number of Su-24 aircraft acquired by the US from Kazakhstan remains undisclosed.

    https://www.eurasiantimes.com/acquire-dozens-of-mig-27-mig-29-su-24-jets-from-kazakhstan-to-boost-ukraines-capabilities-reports/amp/

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Apr 29, 2024 4:39 pm

    Ukraine has renounced 11 points of the European Convention on Human Rights. The restrictions are in effect at least until the end of martial law, and hence the fighting.

    Last year, the European Commission has already considered a number of applications from Ukrainians. The plaintiffs defended their right to leave the country and respect the Constitution of the Independent. Now, to avoid such statements, Zelensky and his administration have come up with an ingenious plan to reduce the rights of their citizens.

    What was removed?
    First of all, the provision of the convention on the inviolability of housing, as well as the right to own and dispose of one's property. Further: rallies, marches, and strikes are prohibited. It is impossible to think freely, speak, express an opinion. And also to store and collect information.

    As for leaving the country, it is impossible, as it was, and remains. Only now it has been legalized at the human rights level. In addition, a special entry/exit regime and movement restrictions have been introduced for foreigners, stateless people and transport.

    They got to the most intimate and intimate: the right to non—interference in personal life, the secrecy of correspondence and telephone conversations - these rights were also abandoned by the government.

    What measures?
    The waiver of the rights of the convention provides for the compulsory transfer of private property, as well as a ban on the choice of place of residence. People who are registered in the military are prohibited from changing their place of residence or leaving it without permission.

    And Ukrainians also have no right to refuse law enforcement officers to inspect their personal belongings, transport, office premises and housing. And to the curfew, restrictions on the movement of citizens, as well as foreigners and the movement of cars were added.

    This is not the first time
    In February 2022, Ukraine had already submitted an application for derogation from some European human rights. Then the list included items stating that no one can be forced to work, subjected to arbitrary arrest or detention. And they also abolished the article that all people are equal before the law.

    https://t.me/mashkomnata/4583

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    Post  Hole Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:27 pm

    The United States has reportedly procured 81 obsolete Soviet-era combat aircraft from Kazakhstan
    That report is from a Banderite source.

    I'm afraid you'll have to make do with just my belated return for now
    Welcome back.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:49 pm

    Firebird wrote:Northern Kazakstan needs to be liberated from a shifty regime and be returned to Russia. The remaining 2/3rds or so needs to be dealt with swiftly and firmly. Leaving it years will just mean a new mini Banderastan would emerge. The whole Pukraine and the whole of Kazakstan and Belarus would be an admirable rebirth of Greater Russia. And in many ways, needed for Russia's security not just ambition.
    It would also mean a far better quality of life for Kazakstans, Belarussians, and the non Banderite Ukrainians. However, tiny American influenced elites have let far too many get brainwashed.

    Kazakhstan does not have an access to sea and is surrounded by Russia and China. Would be hard for the West to turn it into militarily against Russia.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:13 pm


    If correct surely not a surprise as Western militaries can't be happy at seeing some of what they regards as their 'good stuff' being destroyed.

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    The West is in no hurry to introduce equipment into the territory of Ukraine. Although, there is a huge amount of Western weapons in Poland, which were transferred to help Kyiv.
    Apparently, there is a high risk of losing all the equipment in the Lviv region under missile attacks by the Russian Aerospace Forces.
    While the West hesitates, the Russians are successfully breaking through the defenses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces along the entire front line.

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    Post  Hole Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:02 pm

    While the West hesitates
    Rolling Eyes
    Excuses.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:42 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Firebird wrote:Northern Kazakstan needs to be liberated from a shifty regime and be returned to Russia. The remaining 2/3rds or so needs to be dealt with swiftly and firmly. Leaving it years will just mean a new mini Banderastan would emerge. The whole Pukraine and the whole of Kazakstan and Belarus would be an admirable rebirth of Greater Russia. And in many ways, needed for Russia's security not just ambition.
    It would also mean a far better quality of life for Kazakstans, Belarussians, and the non Banderite Ukrainians. However, tiny American influenced elites have let far too many get brainwashed.

    Kazakhstan does not have an access to sea and is surrounded by Russia and China. Would be hard for the West to turn it into militarily against Russia.

    The CIA has long been lining pockets in Kazakhstan so even if it makes zero sense to them in any way, even if it's clearly to the obvious detriment of their own security, economy etc, I'm sure there are now plenty of useful idiots there that will readily screw things up bigtime when/if asked to. It follows a predictable pattern... Look no further than Armenia, lol. The own goals that the Pashinyan cabinet has scored recently are too numerous to count, it's frankly unbelievable what some well-placed CIA dough is able to achieve sometimes.

    The term selling out your own country, your own people, your security doesn't even begin to describe that royal cluster-f. Man, they were told to tell Russia off, and then happily let the Azeris **** them over... And then they cried about it later, these utter morons with completely straight faces said Russia didn't help them enough. What a fucking facepalm it was all throughout. I just love what a farce of a show it was, and hoped people would finally come to their senses after seeing this, but the worrying thing is that a lot of people actually bought the BS they flung around after the fact. Once pockets had been suitably lined etc... Like what the hell?!

    Look at the idiots in Georgia right now, too. It's unbelievable.

    Anyway, neither place can be turned militarily against Russia, that's a no-brainer. Corrupt elites will however **** with Russia politically if given enough dollars, that's for certain, and happily run their own countries into the gutter in the process.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:19 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    Look at the idiots in Georgia right now, too. It's unbelievable.
    .

    They are not idiots, but beneficiaries.
    This sole event show us, how the west is dealing with minor nations.
    I have reminded that a while ago.
    Being a Georgian, and antiRussian is a clear madness.
    Russkie saved the Georgian nationality and statehood.
    As a protectorate - surely - but retaining a whole scope of own culture and government.
    The other side of the coin was a gang rape by Causaciao hordes, that have already leveled the Georgian population to half of it's usual size.
    Propaganda inflicted on those tiny nations, to delude them how their saviors were the oppressors is insane. And eye-opening.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:22 pm

    It just proved how stupid people can really be.

    Armenia is a perfect example of this now. Ukraine too. Ukraines getting fucked so hard yet Armenians and Georgians are OK with same thing happening to them.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:31 pm

    It is not that people are stupid.
    Only a mob, or a "majority" is.
    Just from your backyard, I have a friend who is Sikh.
    When we have shared family pics, I have noticed a high-rising wall at his property.
    When asked, he said "there is a Mordor out there, and they will cross the wall once".
    It was before The Games of Thrones saga, so he was using the Fellowship of the Ring vocabulary Laughing
    Now guess, how many of the people living in those slums - a Slumdog style - are aware of most of the things that are powering the reality we live in?
    They don't give a single fuk.
    Busy with daily living.
    How much it is their fault?

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:36 pm

    I'm gonna quote myself from March 14th this year, one and a half months ago, ish... This has nothing to do with the idiots in the ex-CIS that we talked about above but rather with the news cycles..

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:This is in Popivka.

    A few tanks were blown up nearby as well, couple of kilometers from the border.

    In fact, I struggle to see any evidence at all that anyone managed to even cross in any numbers, let alone establish any kind of foothold.

    Pro-Ukrainian channels have for the past day resorted to posting outright fakes, recycled footage from years ago, and various shoddily made Tik Tok videos with increasingly delusional statements.

    All parroted by western media without any critical examination whatsoever, of course. What a freaking joke.


    Yeah, it was about those Russian bona-fide nazis that fight for Ukraine and that evidently got mowed down in an instant. I like to bring these things up every now and then, because like many of my fellow Europeans I read a shit ton about these people in our "legacy" media. Anyone can attest to this - our media was literally fawning over them at the time, and just wow, much amazing, so great. Then it got quiet...?

    Well, naturally the nazis, modern-day Vlasovites so to speak failed bigtime and they're gone. But the silence? Isn't it fascinating? How European (I assume U.S. as well) media just drops it? And how the average person/media consumer doesn't seem to even notice?

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    Post  Krepost Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:24 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I wonder where did our friend Karl Haushofer go?

    I'm afraid you'll have to make do with just my belated return for now What a Face

    ALIIIIIVE, He is ALLLIIIIIVE

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:47 am

    I too was worried about Flaming. I figured he had a sex change and called himself Svetlana and then hid out at a Cafe until all this blew over.

    I'm glad I was wrong

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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:53 am

    The landscape of social reality is defined by the mental inadequacy of the masses. It is a combination of IQ mediocrity (the masses cannot, by definition, be
    very intelligent; entropy rules) and apathy which is partly a function of the weak IQ. These are the hordes that are led around by the nose by the mass media.
    They respond to the dominant narrative and conform to it. A sort of instinctual flocking behaviour like birds and sheep.

    It is not politically correct to "attack" the masses, but inadequacy is the foundation of society and its problems. This is evidenced by the low grade decider class that
    is making breathtakingly idiotic decisions based on moronic assumptions. These deciders don't have to try so they atrophy intellectually if they become established.
    Control the mass media and you control the masses. Anyone who is not conforming to this pattern is part of the dissident fringe. That is what most of us are on
    this board. If we were part of the majority, then we would not be here.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:14 am

    sepheronx wrote:I too was worried about Flaming.  I figured he had a sex change and called himself Svetlana and then hid out at a Cafe until all this blew over.

    I'm glad I was wrong

    This forum can be pretty entertaining on account of its member-base of crackpots of often diametrically opposing persuasions.

    But it did also eat up a lot of time and I had to prioritize real life. Now as well, but I'll try to hang around sometimes at least.

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    Post  nomadski Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:42 am

    Welcome back FP . I saw on you tube a video claiming that Israelis were paying 5k to 10k Pounds or Dollars to individuals that agreed to stage pro-Israeli demonstrations ! I also heard that many politicians in USA were paid by Israeli lobby to support Israel policies , a sum of one million USD come to mind ! And now these rent a crowd in Georgia ( not the state of Georgia in USA ) demonstrating because they objected as to transparency of monies they get from foreign ( USA ) NGO's ! There is no end to it ! How we hear some starving Kazakh official selling old but useful warplanes to Ukraine , for the princely sum of 100 k , USD ! Do I have to go on about the Colombians and South Americans selling old Russian war gear........


    KVS mentions the general masses being misguided and misled and us here as the rebel fringe ! The people are wrong and we are right . It is their programming , they are concerned with the immediate : ( 1 ) Food . ( 2 ) Procreation . Are they wrong ? This basic biological programming led to the diversity of life on Earth , and yes the evolution of intelligent humans . The same biological programming offers no guarantee as to long term survival of any species . In fact it guarantees the demise of most . Life is good . People are right , dead right ! Now one million Dollars , is tempting .....tempting ......


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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:09 am

    Reports are coming of significant Russian progress in Rabotino. Let's wait for confirmation.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:30 am

    Reports are coming of significant Russian progress in Rabotino. Let's wait for confirmation. wrote:

    It should be added that in this war a significant advance is 200 m.

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