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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Apr 28, 2024 7:27 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I wonder where did our friend Karl Haushofer go?

    I dunno, probably waiting for the next Ukronazi publicity stunt

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Apr 28, 2024 8:57 pm

    thegopnik wrote:Yeah I think Ukraine is going to destroy their own nuclear powerplants eventually and they will rally the west to pin the blame on Russia for it. It's like if you are going to lose your country why not make areas of that country unhabitable for your enemy like Chernobyl? What powerplants does Ukraine have in their territory and where? We all know this eventually is going to happen.

    Zaporozie is pretty much switched off

    Everything else will make EU glow

    I say they should go for it thumbsup



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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:00 pm

    ALAMO wrote:A funny conclusion.


    This one looks so French! Never used, only surrended once!

    It's supposed to be a bug not a product feature cry




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    Post  Hole Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:05 pm

    Loot from Berdychi
    Soon to be seen in Moscow.  Very Happy

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Apr 29, 2024 1:48 am

    US buys old warplanes from former Soviet republic

    The US government has reportedly purchased most of the retired Soviet-era warplanes sold off in a recent auction by Kazakhstan, possibly for use by Kiev’s forces in the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    Washington was the winning bidder for 81 of the 117 aircraft, buying them “through offshore entities” for a combined $1.5 million, the Kiev Post reported on Sunday. The report didn’t give a breakdown of how many planes of each type were acquired, but it said the purchase included MiG-29 fighter jets, MiG-27 fighter bombers and Su-24 bombers.

    Kazakhstan also offered MiG-31 interceptors in the auction. All of the aircraft were listed as being in “unusable condition,” according to the report, and the costs of modernizing them were deemed economically impractical. The warplanes, which were built in the 1970s and 1980s, were retired under the Kazakh military’s modernization program.

    The average unit cost paid by the US was less than $19,000. In fact, the entire fleet of 81 jets cost only about as much as ten AGM-114 Hellfire missiles, one of the air-to-surface munitions commonly used by US drones and warplanes.

    US officials haven’t declared how the retired Kazakh planes will be used, the Kiev Post said. “Speculation has grown that – as the aircraft types are all in service with Ukraine – it is likely they will eventually be transferred to Kiev.” If that happens, the newspaper added, Ukrainian forces will likely disassemble the aircraft for spare parts or use them as decoys at airfields.

    Kazakhstan, which is historically a Russian ally, has increasingly engaged with Western nations since the Ukraine crisis began in February 2022. Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev hosted UK Foreign Minister David Cameron’s visit to Astana earlier this month. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken traveled to Astana last year for talks with Central Asian leaders.

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    What a farce... the murkans are going to return to service a bunch of delapidated Soviet-era warplanes when they lack access to space parts and components? What, will they reverse engineer the parts needed and fabricate them as custom assemblies? If the US MIC does this it will cost more than building 81x brand new jets, and take twice as long... Laughing

    The Russians could have outbid them easily but that fact they didn't means they have followed Sun Tzus learnings - when your enemy is making a mistake, don't interrupt him Razz

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    Post  lancelot Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:13 am

    It is not like any major secrets were lost. None of the electronics and weapons in current Russian aircraft are the same. But I still think Russia should have got those MiG-31 airframes. And the Kazakhs had no right in selling weapons to a country basically at war with Russia.

    Russia should just build a manned space launch pad at Vostochny and close down the space launch facilities at Kazakhstan.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Apr 29, 2024 4:20 am

    lancelot wrote:It is not like any major secrets were lost. None of the electronics and weapons in current Russian aircraft are the same. But I still think Russia should have got those MiG-31 airframes. And the Kazakhs had no right in selling weapons to a country basically at war with Russia.

    Russia should just build a manned space launch pad at Vostochny and close down the space launch facilities at Kazakhstan.

    The article doesn't mention the Mig-31 except in passing.  The septics don't seem to have gotten them, so I think that Russians have likely insisted to the Kazakhs that they be returned to Russia in exchange for suitable financial compensation.  MiG-31 airframes could be useful in future as part of maintaining the fleet and converting it over to strike duties once PAK DP/MiG-41 reaches service.

    Agree on Vostochny BTW.  The Kazakhs have played fast n loose with Russia over Baikonour for >30 years and its time that the Bear assert some authority here.  The facilities are just so much scrap metal without Russian cash and the Kazakhs can't be trusted to stick to agreements.  I wouldn't put it past them to succumb to Western "encouragement" to deny Russia access to Baikonour as part of some sanction shenanigans.  The Soyuz facility at Vostochny could be upgraded to handle manned flights, but the main issue is that Soyuz capsule landings are not accurate enough to land safely in Russian far east, and require the wide open expanses of the Kazakstan steppes. Orel will resolve this, so why not save the credits and put up with status quo for time being. Once ROSS is built the manned soyuz will lose its value as it's incapable of reaching polar orbit with a 3-man crew, though Progress cargo vheicle will remian useful.

    IMHO they should however build a new pad built for Soyuz-5 or similar kerolox launchers or clusters thereof.  With some effort they could even build a common pad design for Soyuz-5 and the new methalox/LNG Amur

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:08 am

    Updates Exclamation Exclamation Idea Thr Kazakhs announced that they do not sell anything.

    https://en.topwar.ru/241468-kazahstan-oproverg-informaciju-o-jakoby-peredache-ukraine-spisannyh-sovetskih-samoletov.html

    Kazakhstan has denied information about the alleged transfer of decommissioned Soviet aircraft to Ukraine

    Kazspecexport emphasized that all equipment will be recycled, and contracts were awarded exclusively to Kazakh companies. At the same time, the recycling process itself excludes the restoration of equipment, and also takes place under control. "Information distributed on the Internet is not true" - the report says.

    It should be noted that last fall, Astana put up for auction 117 decommissioned Soviet-made fighters and bombers.

    Earlier, information appeared on the Internet that Kyiv was trying to contact Kazakh companies in order to purchase products from the Russian military-industrial complex, in particular some parts and devices for fighters and attack aircraft in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We were talking about components for the PGK-10 parachute braking systems for the Su-24 and MiG-29. Kazakhstan itself rejects all accusations, stating that in 2022 the country will have a ban on the export of military products.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:27 am

    higurashihougi wrote:Earlier, information appeared on the Internet that Kyiv was trying to contact Kazakh companies in order to purchase products from the Russian military-industrial complex, in particular some parts and devices for fighters and attack aircraft in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We were talking about components for the PGK-10 parachute braking systems for the Su-24 and MiG-29.

    Most effective way to stop this is simply to render all of their Su-24/MiG-29 into heaps of charred & blackened scrap metal Twisted Evil

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:52 am

    It is just one more classic ukro operation of throwing the shit into a fan, to check who will get a piece.

    They are fukin' desperate.

    And - imagine - those are not my words, but the Polish president who called them "drawing men who will drawn everyone who wanted to help".

    And in the meantime, Russian official data revealed +500k KIA.
    This principally means that the number is well north of 600k already, with tens of thousands "MIA" we can watch in pieces in strongholds Russians are occupying one by one.
    The decomposition of most of those clearly indicates that they have not seen the last winter for sure.

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    Post  Firebird Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:29 am

    Northern Kazakstan needs to be liberated from a shifty regime and be returned to Russia. The remaining 2/3rds or so needs to be dealt with swiftly and firmly. Leaving it years will just mean a new mini Banderastan would emerge. The whole Pukraine and the whole of Kazakstan and Belarus would be an admirable rebirth of Greater Russia. And in many ways, needed for Russia's security not just ambition.
    It would also mean a far better quality of life for Kazakstans, Belarussians, and the non Banderite Ukrainians. However, tiny American influenced elites have let far too many get brainwashed.

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    Post  Hole Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:07 am

    the Kiev Post reported on Sunday.
    This is all you need to know about that "report".  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:18 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦 Footage of towing the first captured American M1A1SA Abrams with the remains of the ARAT remote sensing on board, captured near the recently liberated Berdychi.

    Due to its large mass and damaged chassis, the American was towed by two BREM-1s at once. Most likely, this copy will also join the exhibition on Poklonnaya Hill in Moscow.

    https://t.me/intelslava/58438

    Cool

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:44 am

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:🇷🇺🇺🇦 Footage of towing the first captured American M1A1SA Abrams with the remains of the ARAT remote sensing on board, captured near the recently liberated Berdychi.

    Due to its large mass and damaged chassis, the American was towed by two BREM-1s at once. Most likely, this copy will also join the exhibition on Poklonnaya Hill in Moscow.

    Is it too heavy to be airlifted by one of Russia's big helicopters? If it can be why not airlift it into Red Square during the parade on the 9th?
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:51 am

    You may have noticed that I haven't pasted since the middle of last week. I've been to Norway for 4 days but am now back Very Happy

    Rare sight in Stavanger harbour. There were 8 military ships, double stacked tied up alongside the normal cruise ship, with 6 frigates and two ancillaries, from the UK, Germany, France, Holland, Spain. On the way home from the big exercises up in the north.

    Anyway, hello again.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:52 am

    Their biggest helicopter can carry 22 tons, this vehicle is north of 60 tons... even the upgraded Il-476 would only just be able to carry it.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:53 am

    It's impossible bro.
    Mi-26 maximal load is in a range of 20t.
    No bigger exists.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:56 am

    The hint is in the fact that they are using two BREM tank towing vehicles... each of which can tow Russian tanks on their own, but they require two to shift one US tank.

    Can we say obese?

    And it isn't like the extra protection helped it very much.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Apr 29, 2024 12:00 pm

    There was some reports that it required two BREMs because it's traction was damaged/broken.
    And indeed, on one of the early revealed films, it clearly is being towed by force, with part of the wheels blocked.
    This tank was repaired at field workshop first. Looks way better than it looked when they retracted it.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 29, 2024 12:32 pm

    That would be the drive sprocket... normally they deal with that by taking the tracks off and let the main wheels act as rollers...

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Apr 29, 2024 12:46 pm

    https://www.rt.com/russia/596735-no-one-join-ukrainian-army/

    No one willing to join Ukrainian army – soldier pwnd pwnd
    Kiev has no spare troops to relieve those already engaged on the front lines, an Azov regiment serviceman has said pwnd pwnd


    Draft evasion in Ukraine has taken extreme forms, a soldier serving with the infamous neo-Nazi Azov regiment told local news outlet TSN. “Literally no one” is willing to go to the front lines, the serviceman has said.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 29, 2024 1:02 pm

    Which suggests that western propaganda is not all powerful and eventually the truth becomes undeniable...

    And that the average human being is not keen to lay down their lives for the ideology of the west when that ideology only seems to serve so very few.

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    Post  kvs Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:10 pm

    Maybe there is some hope for Ukrainians if they have broken through the delusional bubble about the war. But at the end of the day, the credulity of the masses to the
    propaganda being dished out to them is the source of their problems. There would not have been any war if they were not such suckers.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:31 pm

    kvs wrote:Maybe there is some hope for Ukrainians if they have broken through the delusional bubble about the war.    But at the end of the day, the credulity of the masses to the
    propaganda being dished out to them is the source of their problems.   There would not have been any war if they were not such suckers.

    This war stops as soon as they, the Ukrainians, start going to the local cemeteries and realize 31,000 starts looking like 310,000. Putin is right in that this is sort of a hostage rescue mission, but his tactics are still somewhat wrong as government buildings, military bases, bridges, roads, refineries. airports, rail yards, and factories need to join their power plants in being reduced to piles of bricks and mixed steel and their internet, radio, and tv towers need to be knocked out. Once they realize the cause is hopeless, that their government is refusing to hold elections, and they are being used to fatten the pockets of American and European (and their own) oligarchs, there will be regime change and an end to war.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:34 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I wonder where did our friend Karl Haushofer go?

    I'm afraid you'll have to make do with just my belated return for now What a Face

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