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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:46 am

    A sign things are getting really desperate in Kiev.

    The UK has sent one of our top secret weapons, well a PR weapon actually, a Royal (or at least the wife of one). This is from today's Daily Mail.

    The Duchess of Edinburgh has slammed soldiers who use rape as a weapon of war after visiting the site of a horrific massacre carried out by Vladimir Putin 's troops in Ukraine. Sophie, 59, denounced the use of sexual violence to 'demean, degrade and destroy' women and girls as she met survivors of the Russian invasion on Monday.

    The mother-of-two said she was grateful for the 'honesty' and 'openness' displayed by women she spoke to during an emotional one-day trip to Kyiv and the surrounding areas. During her visit she paid her respects to those murdered by Kremlin forces, and in particular the more than 450 people who were brutally killed in the town of Bucha , just outside the Ukrainian capital.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:57 am

    "After three weeks of combats Russian Army failed to consolidate control over the first houses of „Kanal microdistrict”, which were retaken by Ukrainian Army."

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:59 am

    Arrow wrote:"After three weeks of combats Russian Army failed to consolidate control over the first houses of „Kanal microdistrict”, which were retaken by Ukrainian Army."
    A temporary setback bro.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:10 am

    Arrow wrote:"After three weeks of combats Russian Army failed to consolidate control over the first houses of „Kanal microdistrict”, which were retaken by Ukrainian Army."

    So if true, the Ukronazi trash threw a mass of troops into the teeth of Russian guns in order to take back some strategically useless land and took horrendous losses in the process.  Now Russia will pour long range fire into the area and flood it with drones killing even more nazi foot troops.  Once the reinforcements are whittled down, Russian assault troops will go back in to rinse and repeat the previous punishment.

    Yup, sounds good to me. Twisted Evil


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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:11 am

    Maybe there is some hope for Ukrainians if they have broken through the delusional bubble about the war. But at the end of the day, the credulity of the masses to the
    propaganda being dished out to them is the source of their problems. There would not have been any war if they were not such suckers.

    It is not something the entire western world does not suffer from... most people in the west will cheer on the western military forces dealing death to those evil bad guys like in the movies, except real war is nothing like any western movie...

    Half the people don't care either way, but the ones making money or believing the bs propaganda think they are doing good... takes a long time to realise you are doing harm and creating the evil.

    Remember part of the propaganda is that the other side are evil and are lying so when it turns out the side whose propaganda turns out to be the liars many still don't put two and two together and realise they have been listening to the evil side.

    Most westerners would agree their politicians are liars, but when it comes down to it they believe their own media without question and the Media are just following the orders of the same people who own the politicians.

    This war stops as soon as they, the Ukrainians, start going to the local cemeteries and realize 31,000 starts looking like 310,000.

    The way Kiev and the west seem to be trying to string this all along till after US elections in November should be something Ukrainians remember forever... it was more important to get Biden back into power or to not make him look bad than to save their men and women and their territory and their future.

    Russia has been split from the west and right now the SWIFT separation and demands for all ties to be cut have finally broken all the slivers of control and also the tendrals bleeding money out of Russia... these tendrals were set up in the 1990s and have stunted and limited Russian growth ever since... if the west had not been so greedy and aggressive those tendrals would have been almost impossible to shift under international law... things like banning EU food imports violates the WTO rules, and forcing Russian airlines to start buying and using Russian designed aircraft would have never happened either... this is essentially shock therapy to separate them from a colonial west that only had full access to their country for a period of less than 10 years yet essentially enveloped it and was suffocating it.

    They have been doing the same to the Ukraine for quite some time now too... but the good news is that Russia shows there is independent light at the end of the tunnel and your future without the super rich western oligarchs is much better... I rather suspect many Ukrainian oligarchs will leave for the west which will help too.

    Chechnia is a different place now and it will take longer but the territory called Ukraine now has a potentially bright future too... it just needs a lot of work.

    As frustrating as it is that Russia refuses to go scorched Earth on the Ukraine, it is easy to understand why they don't.

    The US likes to go scorched earth and it really doesn't seem to help because like sanctions it makes everyone feel like they are the enemy and are all in the same boat, but actually they are not.

    It is usually when they are losing or when they have won that they start saying things like... they had no problem with the Iraqi people... it was really all about Saddam... and in this case it will all be about Putin but too little too late because he is more popular in Russia than ever before and for very obvious reasons.


    Remember, the US Military and MIC is essentially an economic stimulus program.

    I agree, and the Russian MIC was about the only sector of the Russian economy that reliably created export potential for quite a few years after the end of the Cold War, but they didn't get so greedy and so corrupt... things were properly tested and there was real competition and if a system was a dog with no potential then it died on the vine... they didn't try to make wine out of it.

    The main problem with the US is that US military are getting high paying consultancy jobs in private MIC companies, while in Russia most MIC are partially or completely government owned.

    And it is across the board... children of US politicians getting high paying jobs in companies in Ukraine shows where the Ukraine was headed... and Americans wonder why there is a problem, or don't think there is a problem... which is a problem in itself. Such things don't help when it comes to picking what your military operates in combat... It could be hidden against third world countries you could simply overwhelm with numbers and forces and of course allies... prevent them getting access to decent anti armour and anti aircraft systems and walk all over them.


    In the later 90s bombing countries in the middle of putting down insurgencies for humanitarian reasons became the rage and killing 500,000 Iraqi children was well worth the sanctions.

    It wasn't just that... all through the cold war nothing undermined democracy and freedom and human rights like the CIA murdering genuine human rights leaders and activists and installing their own governments because the west knows better. Keeping the third world poor by stealing their assets at colonial prices is what has broken the planet for many billions of people... their future essentially destroyed by the country that makes movies preaching how wonderful the west and the US is... now and in the past and in the future.

    The same stated Musk literally a few days ago. That from the X administrator perspective, they do recognize a very big propaganda about the war. But hardly none of it is coming from Russia, or is pro-Russian.

    To be fair most of the information coming from Russia does not need to be lies, while most news from Kiev has to be lies or people will realise what a lost cause they are and hang on to their money for more practical and useful things.

    Wheels don't roll at all. Like blocked or something.
    The same case was with L2.

    I saw a video with the two towing vehicle in front where they were towing it together and while the side skirts made it difficult to see properly the wheels seemed to be rolling except one or two sets of wheels at the front quarter location where there was grey smoke coming from the wheels presumably because they were not turning.

    Maybe the side skirts were hard against the wheels preventing them from turning... I did notice in the other video that the wheels seemed to have completely lost their outer rubber layer, which was obvious when compared with a spare wheel on the roof of the vehicles turret.

    Definitely not something right there...

    A sort of instinctual flocking behaviour like birds and sheep.

    A lot of it is comfort because if they saw reality and the truth then they might feel obliged to do something about it... it is like in the matrix films the guy who regrets finding out the truth so he could continue living an easier more comfortable life.

    "After three weeks of combats Russian Army failed to consolidate control over the first houses of „Kanal microdistrict”, which were retaken by Ukrainian Army."

    When you don't include a source I have trouble believing what you post... Kiev Times? Bellingcat? CIA?

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:20 am

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    🇷🇺🇺🇦Pro-Ukrainian Map Shows Russian Gains West of Avdeevka over Past 15 Days

    Even LIVE UA Map is showing significant Russian gains along the line of contact in the Donbass region over the past month, in particular over the last 15 days it admits Russian forces have secured more towns along critical Ukrainian lines of communications.

    Red line indicates the LOC as of April 12, 2024.

    Russia is applying pressure along the entire front and exploiting where Ukrainian defenses are wavering.

    It is impossible to predict where Russian forces will gain ground and how long it will take for Russia to secure specific towns and regions because factors affecting the outcome change daily including factors beyond Russia's own control such as the deployment of Ukrainian reinforcements that may speed up or delay Russian progress.

    https://t.me/brianlovethailand/2899

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    Post  Hole Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:25 am

    I too was worried about Flaming. 
    I thought he was trying to catch a Leopard with his bare hands.  Wink
    But the turret is quiet heavy, so you need a solid wall to hang it up as a trophy.

    It should be added that in this war a significant advance is 
    killing as many Banderites as possible.

    The Duchess of Edinburgh
    Will she travel to Donbass next to denounce the violence committed there by her Nazi buddies in the past 10 years?
    After that Gaza?

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    With little grenades!  love

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    pwnd

     including factors beyond Russia's own control
    Tell that Mr. FAB and his buddies, Mr. Iskander and Mr. Tornado.  lol1

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    Post  Arrow Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:41 am

    No the priority has always been to take over Donbas. The disintegration of the Ukrainian army will only occur with a major offensive. Then morale will drop significantly and a split may occur. In the event of a trench war, Ukraine will have enough people for many years.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:36 pm

    RT hosts a few vids of the trophy Abrams getting its shit pushed in at Berdyansk Berdychi  Laughing

    Short version.  I though only inferior ruskie junk tanks could have their propellent charges cook off???  Twisted Evil


    Long version with good shots of its as-captured condition.  I like to think there is a Ukronazi in their somewhere, but i guess we'll have to wait until they sift out the debris  Razz


    source


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    Post  ALAMO Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:06 pm

    In a full version of that vid, it is getting clear that only 3 crewmembers escaped the tank, with the driver sharing the fate they usually do in M1 type.
    Now, put the HE rounds into that magazine, and watch how it tore the tank apart after hit.

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:22 pm

    🇷🇺🇺🇦 The Russian Ministry of Defense reported that while repelling a night attack in Crimea, 6 ATACMS missiles were shot down.
    https://t.me/intelslava/58595

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:23 pm

    Ukraine's only tangible gain during the much-hyped "counter-offensive", the village of Rabotino has been reconquered by Russian forces.

    By the way, rumors have it that one or several units of ex-VSU soldiers are fighting for the Russians on the front now, anyone's got any ideas of which and where?

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:07 pm

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/thirty-men-have-died-trying-leave-ukraine-avoid-fighting-since-war-started-2024-04-30/

    Thirty men have died trying to leave Ukraine to avoid fighting since war started

    About 30 Ukrainian men have died trying to illegally cross Ukraine's borders and avoid fighting in the war against Russia which started in 2022, the spokesman for Ukraine's border service told Ukrinform news agency.

    In November, BBC said in a report based on data of illegal border crossings from Romania, Moldova, Poland, Hungary and Slovakia that nearly 20,000 men have fled Ukraine since the beginning of the war to avoid being drafted.

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    Post  franco Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:38 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Ukraine's only tangible gain during the much-hyped "counter-offensive", the village of Rabotino has been reconquered by Russian forces.

    By the way, rumors have it that one or several units of ex-VSU soldiers are fighting for the Russians on the front now, anyone's got any ideas of which and where?

    There is a designated battalion of ex POW's fighting in one of the volunteer brigades. Cannot remember which one at the moment.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:50 pm

    ALAMO wrote:In a full version of that vid, it is getting clear that only 3 crewmembers escaped the tank, with the driver sharing the fate they usually do in M1 type.
    Now, put the HE rounds into that magazine, and watch how it tore the tank apart after hit.

    From the IR video it looks like at the start the Abrams engine is nice and hot, it gets hit by the first ATGM (not sure what its name is) and gets hotter (crew exit at this point?) then gets the destructive hit by the second ATGM.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:59 pm

    We all know this vehicles destination Laughing

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    Or the video thumbsup

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:03 pm

    Can't remember seeing this before, it must be one of the biggest explosions so far.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:05 pm

    The inevitable moves closer as Russian forces broke through and reached the canal south of Chasov Yar

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:08 pm

    Another familiar name is about to see a move

    Ugledar
    Russian TG channel reports:

    "UAV operators from the 36th motorized rifle brigade of the Vostok Group dropped leaflets urging military personnel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to lay down their weapons.
    Artillery preparation was completed and RF is ready to storm.

    https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1785349485381431331

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:15 pm

    Big Serge ☦🇺🇸🇷🇺
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    The guided Excalibur shell “dropped from 70 percent effectiveness to 6 percent effectiveness over a matter of a few months as new EW mechanisms came out.”

    Russian electronic warfare neutralizing American precision munitions in Ukraine.

    The Russian corollary, the Krasnopol, is not subject to jamming because it is guided by designator drones/operatives rather than GPS.

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    Krasnopol M2 is laser guided, Krasnopol D has Glonass guidance and longer range, though I have not seen video with the latter yet.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:39 pm

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    After a brief pause, the assault on Krasnohorivka resumed.

    Prior to this, about 15 FAB-1500 aerial bombs were dropped on the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF), and artillery was used.

    Ukrainian sources note that Russian troops are utilizing their previous tactics—swift raids by small assault groups on several infantry fighting vehicles (BMPs) accompanied by a tank. Simultaneously, there is ongoing advancement into the city from the eastern side.

    Foreign analysts believe the plan of the Russian forces is to conduct disruptive assaults on the main fortified area behind the factory while simultaneously flanking it.

    This scenario poses a threat of deep encirclement of the industrial zone from east to north, potentially leading to its complete encirclement. This could create conditions for forcing UAF remnants out of the city as the threat of operational encirclement increases.

    Some sources indicate that this approach partially repeats the Wagner PMC tactics during the assault on the champagne factory in Artemivsk and methods used by the Russian army during the encirclement of Avdiivka.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:43 pm

    Germany handed over a new package of military aid to Ukraine

    It included:
    ▪Ten Marder infantry fighting vehicles with ammunition and spare parts.
    ▪Ammunition for Leopard 2 tanks.
    ▪Ammunition for Gepard and IRIS-T anti-aircraft installations.
    ▪Dachs engineering machine.
    ▪6 Oshkosh M1070 tank tractors.
    ▪3 thousand anti-tank grenade launchers RGW-90 MATADOR, etc.
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    Post  GarryB Wed May 01, 2024 4:02 am

    In the event of a trench war, Ukraine will have enough people for many years.

    You can't have a trench war when one side has 1,500kg and 3,000kg glide bombs.

    Europeans equate trench warfare with a stalemate, and this conflict is no stalemate because the Russians have ammo and they have air power.

    No the priority has always been to take over Donbas.

    Not really... they have retreated when it made sense to... they are certainly trying to take the territories that have voted to join the Russian Federation, but they are defeating Kiev by killing off their armed forces.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 01, 2024 8:53 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Not really... they have retreated when it made sense to... they are certainly trying to take the territories that have voted to join the Russian Federation, but they are defeating Kiev by killing off their armed forces.


    They wanted Donbas so much, that in all the Minsk Agreements the entire area was to return to Ukraine.
    And so much, that in Istambul peace talks, it's status was to be decided in a direct negotiations between Putin and Cocainsky. However, territories were not excluded from the security guarantees, which suggested clearly that it's status remains negotiable. Not like the Crimean.

    Straight 2 years after, here is what the Ukro defensive position looks like when Russkie finally makes a push.

    https://t.me/intelslava/58660

    Extrame gore warning.
    Chasovy Yar direction.

    A soldier who is documenting it, is one one the "cleaners" who are to collect weapons, ammo and trophies.
    The area seems already "processed", with some weapons already gathered.
    His comment is about a WHOLE of the forest belt looking alike.
    We can see tens of dead Ukro SPAM. Not ten, or two tens, but TENS.
    With an unknown number already buried under the ground - his words.  
    The condition of the bodies suggests that they have died in a different time - the decomposing process is different. Some show about a week exposition in warm, some have just fallen. So they were fighting there, on the bodies of fallen comrades.
    It is a one-sided slaughter.

    JohninMK wrote:
    From the IR video it looks like at the start the Abrams engine is nice and hot, it gets hit by the first ATGM (not sure what its name is) and gets hotter (crew exit at this point?) then gets the destructive hit by the second ATGM.

    We have discussed this vid already. Conclusions are interesting.
    Missile used is Kornet.
    What you see in the IR version, are fume exhausts after shot, which tells us that the tank was engaged more or less head on.

    Here is a confirmation, and I have not found a better version :

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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56 - Page 6 Zrzut205

    Missile hit right front of the turret, somewhere on the edge of the maximal frontal armor. Penetration was good enough to reach the magazine and cooked off the ammunition. The tine between the hit and ammo detonation is around 2s.

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