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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:15 pm

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    Post  Kiko Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:30 pm

    Americans likely part of crew that shot down Ukrainian POWs – TASS, 02.01.2024.

    Russia’s Investigative Committee previously concluded that the Il-76 aircraft was destroyed with a US-made Patriot missile system.

    American specialists may have been part of the crew that operated the US-made Patriot air defense system that shot down a Russian military aircraft carrying Ukrainian prisoners of war last week, TASS news agency reports.


    The plane, a Russian Il-76, crashed over Belgorod Region last Wednesday while carrying 65 captured Ukrainian servicemen who were set to take part in a prisoner swap later that day. All of the POWs, as well as three Russian officers and six crew members, died in the crash.

    On Thursday, Russia’s Investigative Committee released a report claiming that the plane was brought down using two MIM-104A surface-to-air missiles launched from a Patriot missile system deployed at a staging area in Kharkov Region, Ukraine near the village of Liptsy, around 10km from the Russian border.

    Following the Investigative Committee’s report, a source within Russia’s security services told TASS that it is very likely that the crew operating the Patriot system represented a mix of Ukrainian and American specialists.

    The agency’s source explained that Ukrainian officers are likely placed in lower positions while “Western specialists, including Americans, sit at the control and missile guidance stations.” They added that Ukrainian servicemen are often only allowed to be involved with these systems as drivers or operators of transport-loading vehicles.

    The TASS report noted that the Russian authorities are still in the process of identifying the exact people who were involved in the attack and were operating the Patriot system.

    Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said the use of a US-made system in the killing of Ukrainian POWs means that US President Joe Biden and his administration have made regular American citizens “complicit in the bloody tragedy.”

    https://www.rt.com/russia/591660-us-patriot-crew-ukraine/

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    Post  walle83 Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:35 pm

    Video how Ukraine hit the Tarantul corvette Ivanovets.

    https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1753010473786540042/video/1
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    Post  Regular Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:58 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Ukrainians

    I don’t see why you need to infantilise them as they were brainwashed by the west. Did west teach them Bandera ways that even shocked Nazi SS?

    There is little to no pity for ALL OF THEM after what they did in Donbas and Lugansk and Mariupol

    I am happy to see that Russians are waking up to the reality.

    Here’s bit of NSFW video from my one of the favourite drone groups who hate the enemy kore than anyone else - VOG-25


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    Post  Kiko Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:11 pm

    Keep a close eye on Christine Lagarde's ECB.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:26 pm

    Ukraine sinks another Russian vessel in Crimea.

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:44 pm

    Man I am losing count how many times some russian navy ships have been getting hit. Wish either good air defense or if anti-torpedo defense systems exists are being used.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:57 pm

    thegopnik wrote:Man I am losing count how many times some russian navy ships have been getting hit. Wish either good air defense or if anti-torpedo defense systems exists are being used.

    The main issue is the close presence of Ukrainian forces not only within missile and rocket range but also in general makeshift ports that they can launch these USV drones from

    Putin has to launch the operation to begin demilitarizing a buffer zone

    I mean we have seen il76, askold, tarantul, moskva, Il22, supposedly A50, numerous su34 and su30/35, and civilians killed just because of proximity to the enemy

    Putin may want to formalize everything with his election, but in general the guys have been ready to go for months now

    So I think by spring, at least the first armies should start by clearing the Kharkov border (not Kharkov itself) as well as Chernigov and Sumy

    There are adequate numbers of men, but the MOD is waiting on the legal bureaucracy of the Kremlin to just start clearing out the DMZ of 300km

    In addition, from Kherson there are adequate numbers to start working on General Naevs grouping in Nikolaev

    There are only 40,000 ukrops there, so it should be easy to push them back with 100-150,000 men

    Anyway we await Putin to get on with it

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    Post  Regular Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:08 pm

    thegopnik wrote:Man I am losing count how many times some russian navy ships have been getting hit. Wish either good air defense or if anti-torpedo defense systems exists are being used.

    Mini-form missiles would be good choice. Chinese are leading in miniaturisation and anti-drone systems that could be applied against such targets. The only way to defend against such threats at the moment would to have armed drones patrolling the waters, but then there are underwater ones that could be used against the Crimean bridge.

    It would be such a shame if Houthis somehow would get those Kalashnikov boat drones as I am pretty sure US/UK ships are very vulnerable to these attacks as well

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:11 pm

    Regular wrote:
    thegopnik wrote:Man I am losing count how many times some russian navy ships have been getting hit. Wish either good air defense or if anti-torpedo defense systems exists are being used.

    Mini-form missiles would be good choice. Chinese are leading in miniaturisation and anti-drone systems that could be applied against such targets. The only way to defend against such threats at the moment would to have armed drones patrolling the waters, but then there are underwater ones that could be used against the Crimean bridge.

    It would be such a shame if Houthis somehow would get those Kalashnikov boat drones as I am pretty sure US/UK ships are very vulnerable to these attacks as well

    Russia never retaliates. The US and UK are safe.

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    Post  Belisarius Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:27 pm



    Russia never retaliates. The US and UK are safe.

    Tell that to the hundreds of European and American mercenaries who die in Ukrainian hotels, and officers who die in "accidents" around the world.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:28 pm

    Why are these large ships there in first place ? Can they be moved and their task completed by smaller and faster boats or planes or Hovercraft ? If they have to be there , then these surface drones have little radar ( or heat ) return and attack at night . There was obviously rounds fired in their direction , one could see these hitting the water . But not enough firepower ! In WW2 , the Americans hunted kamikaze that targeted ships with guns . They did well . Look at volume of fire ! Searching by modern torch at night effective . Light up the Sea !




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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:33 pm

    Belisarius wrote:


    Russia never retaliates. The US and UK are safe.

    Tell that to the hundreds of European and American mercenaries who die in Ukrainian hotels, and officers who die in "accidents" around the world.

    Well in general, Putin has taken a restrained and meek approach

    And he took his time to get ready as far as gathering volunteers, increasing production, and creating a missile and rocket park reserve

    There are several items remaining to get ready, so it's better to do that as well, but having your forces just sitting like ducks is not a good strategy in the meanwhile

    So even if certain things are missing, I think at least until May this situation can keep going, but once the winter is done regardless of which smaller items remain pending - the offensive should begin and the vote in March will be all about that

    The majority of Russians are ready to get this going. So that at least these issues can happen in Dnepropetrovsk, or Kharkov for example instead of Crimea and Belgorod
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    Post  Arrow Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:36 pm

    The Kremlin does not even have the balls to shoot down Western UAVs over the Black Sea, which often coordinate attacks on the fleet and Crimea.

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    Post  Regular Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:40 pm


    Quite interesting podcast/space that covers losses around Avdiivka and more

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    Post  Isos Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:59 pm

    Those drones ise starlink. Destroy a bunch of their satelitte since they are used as a weapon.

    That's legitim defence.

    Russians need to stop being pussies.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:42 pm

    nomadski wrote:Why are these large ships there in first place ? Can they be moved and their task completed by smaller and faster boats or planes or Hovercraft ? If they have to be there , then these surface drones have little radar ( or heat ) return and attack at night . There was obviously rounds fired in their direction , one could see these hitting the water . But not enough firepower ! In WW2 , the Americans hunted kamikaze that targeted ships with guns . They did well . Look at volume of fire ! Searching by modern torch at night effective . Light up the Sea !






    Good points, but the Russian Navy is essentially, as far as the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea are concerned, boxed in.

    They could theoretically move farther away to some naval base(s) in Abhazia, but it cannot be ruled out that they might get reached even there.


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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:48 pm

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    Disagree . The attrition rate is hugely in Russia's favour and is constant . If numbers are true , then Russia lost one tenth of Ukraine . Plus Russia are a cohesive force with functioning government and society . Be it by small offensives or large ones , Ukraine can not keep up with losses . Already they recruit old men and disabled ! The Orcs left to their devices , even without a war , will turn politically and socially carnivorous and cannibalistic . They have no future .

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    Yes, there are only disabled and old people in the Ukrainian army, and Russia loses a lot of people and equipment, etc. with every major action. It's amazing what the army of disabled and old people can do.



    You raised a legitimate point about the very clever Ukrainian propaganda pity videos.





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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:56 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
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    Just look at Ukrainians gloating over dead Palestinians and praising Israeli treatment. They hate everyone who doesn’t support them with money. Hence why apart from EU and USA vassals, there are no sympathy for them.

    There is a lot of sympathy for them, at least if someone is a sane human.
    War was brought to them, no matter their position.
    The people of Ukraine voted twice for peace and were fooled twice.
    Before that, they were fooled that they will become a member of European family and economy, while EU gave a shit about them at all.
    Regular Ukrainians were tamed with untrue pictures of their future, only to push them for irrational actions that were settled against their interests.
    It was a settled trap they fell into.
    Who was brave enough, or desperate enough, simply emigrated.
    Both Europe and Russia benefited from the enormous flow of Ukrainian labor.
    Those are hard-working people, who participate in the economy.
    Most of those I know will never return to Ukraine - a place they used to call home.
    There is nothing left for them there.
    What kind of a person one shall be, not to feel sorry for their fate?
    Would you like to be forced to flee Russia, because it is becoming a shithole no matter what you and your friends are doing?
    Why shouldn't I feel sympathy for other people, who work hard to find a new place for them, after losing their own?



    Almost entire western and central Ukraine has been practically untouched by war.

    Too bad you do not feel sorry for all the ethnic Poles and others they have genocided.



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    Post  nomadski Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:18 pm


    I don't think these Ships are needed to engage non-existent Ukrainian navy in Black Sea , discharging torpedo or AShM . Someone said they are useful , as they carry Radar . Ships can go out of range of drones and scalp and Neptune and can go to the Med Sea or Persian Gulf and wait there , no land based system there a threat , since no country there at war with Russia . So they can be more properly used in intended role as anti-surface and Sub- surface platforms . In fact they can be exchanged with Iran , or loaned to Iran ( with Russian personnel remaining ) to patrol open waters in northern Indian Ocean . In return , Iran can loan fast missile Boats ( with Iranian personnel remaining ) to Russia for the Black Sea . These can follow Russia inland Rivers to reach Sea of Azov . Iran can give enough Boats to allow a marine landing to capture Odessa coast if needed or marine raiding parties to take out shore troop concentrations or navy facilities . They can travel up River estuaries and capture bridge heads .
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:21 pm

    Regular wrote:
    I don’t see why you need to infantilise them as they were brainwashed by the west. Did west teach them Bandera ways that even shocked Nazi SS?

    You are addressing now MAYBE 15% of the whole population, that is gathered at the westernmost parts of Ukraine. A Habsurgian product set to battle the Russian Empire.
    The sole reason why those extremists gained power, was an extreme leverage of financial assets, and the fact that they have striked hard when it was possible.
    Russia was way too weak in 2014 to join the party on a bigger than Crimean scale.
    Crimea was already shocking.
    They wouldn't have a chance to withstand sanctions if joined Yanuk's call for intervention.
    History will dispute and argue if that was a good or a bad decision back then.
    Sometimes just wait&see is better than react&do.
    I see that Russia's position now is much better than it was back in pre240222. Which is already insane.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:37 pm


    There is sitting and waiting and there is tolerating and supporting Nazis

    Population made it's bed, time to get buried in it

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Feb 01, 2024 8:05 pm

    Wow, Ukraine got another ship? Well first of all, the usual rest in peace to any crew who died during the attack and always sad to see a ship lost. That said, other than western propaganda that will dream up this ship containing "illicit war materials" from North Korea and Iran (because western, especially American, audiences are disconnected from reality and will believe anything) and the commemorative postage stamp by Urinia Post, what exactly changes? As far as Russian retaliation, and Russia not having enough men in the field for an offensive, well about that.

    1. Unlike the Ukrainian "democracy" you know the one where elections have been canceled indefinitely and where according to the BBC and Guardian, the Ukrainian people don't even want an election, the "evil dictatorship" in Russia has multiparty elections coming up in March. While its unlikely that Putin will lose, he could. However, after the election, he will have a much freer hand and given that he says Russia will need a buffer zone to protect Russia in Ukraine and that he will denazify the Baltic and Ukraine I would not be surprised if we see the largest offensive yet in the war this summer or fall, especially as such an offensive would discredit a Biden campaign that will have said they have given Ukraine a chance to beat Russia. Timing is everything and so you will see an offensive when Russia is good and ready to see one

    2. Russia does retaliate against western attacks. Lots of dead NATO terrorists in Ukraine and lots of American regulars have been getting killed recently in Iraq and Syria by drones and while Iran does have its own drone industry and a lot of reasons to strike there, I think the Russians are involved there and certainly would not mind assisting the Iranians there because its perfectly permissable and falls in the category of plausible deniability

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    Post  Lapain Thu Feb 01, 2024 8:30 pm

    Again, this is how Germany won the war by sinking every Soviet ship of the BSF...

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    Feel extremely sorry for the fallen sailors and indignant against the nazi fuckers cheering for these souls as it was a shooting game. Their time will come.

    Well tough luck, expect many more of these provocation attacks; Kerch bridge, Belbek , Belgorod, Donetsk, Moscow, Mariupol, Saratov, you name it... All with the aim of destabilizing the Russian elections and hopefully its economy.

    But I speculate that these provocations actually feed into the calculated risk made by the Russian HQ. The red lines crossed by the NATO handlers aren't discouraging the Russian populace, they are providing material for payback. The more of those appear, the more the response expected will be harsh. Russia in Ukraine 2024 isn't the USA of the 1960s or the USSR of the 1980s fighting a nebulous war overseas, it is fighting for its existence against a treacherous vile enemy, allied with all what represents the death of the Russian nation. It won't cede but on the contrary, strengthen its resolve. And if the Kremlin is wise enough, it should take the opportunity in the Middle East to reciprocate asymmetrically.

    Take now what's happening on the opposite side. The war in Ukraine is certainly the most unpopular war of our generations. Foodis being literally being handled to a foreign party of dubious integrity right in front of the hungry masses. Everything is being artificially articulated with money that shouldn't exist, for example the so called US GDP growth that is the product of propping up using three times the debt. Eventually the charade will have to crumble by itself as it is not sustainable, either through a massive financial meltdown, inflation crisis or the less likely popular uprising.  

    The Russians will sure have to endure the tumultuous year of 2024 as this one will surely usher the turning point. When the moment is right, they could even strike NATO right at its heart with impunity as the discredited Western elites won't even be able to invoke WW3 at that point.


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