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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Feb 08, 2024 11:43 am

    The appointment of Syrsky will only speed up the collapse of the Ukrainian army

    The main reason Zaluzhny refused to launch any offensive was because he understood the scale of losses and the low point of morale

    In defense the Ukros have still suffered huge casualties , so what hope is there for offensives

    But Syrsky, will do what Zelensky says, and going by his actions in Bakhmut, Klesheevka,  Andreevka and so on, it's clear he will burn his troops faster than anyone

    IMO the Ukrainian army will cease to exist this year, after which it will attempt some kind of guerilla/insurgency

    The reality is, that's why no such mobilization bill has passed

    Simply there is Noone left - the people they are snatching from the streets are old, invalids, and generally unsuited for real combat

    We see women manning more positions at the front

    We see that mobilization cannot be conducted adequately

    It's a sign of things to come , but the Donbass defensive area has been effectively dismantled

    There is still remaining fortress cities of Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, Konstantinovka, Chasov Yar

    But this is no longer a contiguous defense line from Mariupol to Kharkov, it is more like separate islands loosely floating in the ocean

    Meaning as Avdeevka frees manpower, the assaults will become easier, flanks will become more exposed as the organized defenses erode and dissipate

    That is basically why they are accelerating its capture

    Because afterward, it will be very easy to conduct offensives as it was in 22

    Russian troops will have freedom to mass, and maneuver , as they run into pockets of resistance, rather than fortified complexes

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Feb 08, 2024 12:26 pm

    I'm curious to see what Gerasimov will do with the final 2 remaining defenses of the donbass

    One is much more tough than the other

    The first is the Novomikhailovka-Kurakhovo-Ugledar triangle, which is in the process of being liberated, even though the main concentration of troops is at Avdeevka

    Given that, once the city falls, more men will be freed, it's clear that this will not pose much of a challenge and will fall relatively quickly

    The other agglomeration, is a tougher nut to crack

    From North to South, there is a barrier of fortifications from Liman-->Slavyansk-->Kramatorsk-->Druzhovka-->Konstantinovka-->Toretsk with a forward settlement of Chasov Yar

    This area is too strong to assault frontally

    Each link in this chain of defenses has excellent coverage on the flanks of each other

    The most obvious approach is in pincers from the north and south, approaching Liman and Toretsk from Yampol and Gorlovka respectively

    Although before any of this, the situation with Kupyansk and the Oskol should be resolved to give Russian troops a clear path to Liman

    And then after that it remains to be seen how Gerasimov plans to dismantle the last remaining agglomeration of Donbass

    What we do know is that by the time Russian forces are in a position to undertake this massive task, they will be concentrated in massive numbers and equipment, as there would be no other direction they would need to worry about

    At that point in time they could decide to take each link in the chain apart individually , or they could decide to drive into the rear of this agglomeration and forego a bloody assault altogether

    One thing is for sure, this final battle will determine the outcome of the war

    If Ukraine loses this final chain of defenses, there is no grand scheme, to defend anything else, the operational space will open for tanks, helicopters, planes, and all kinds of machines that traditionally mark a conventional war

    We have not seen that, we have seen positional fighting due to the interconnected nature of the donbass agglomerations - but make no mistake, there is no place in Ukraine which resembles anything like this, and so that is why I call so much attention to it, for readers to understand



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    Post  ALAMO Thu Feb 08, 2024 12:40 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:I'm curious to see what Gerasimov will do with the final 2 remaining defenses of the donbass

    He will do just the same as he did till now.
    Burn through it.
    Giving a fu#ck to all armchair warriors whining and caring shit about the dumbass armchair field marshals' opinion.
    And the voyenkor's too.
    To keep the Russian army men alive, as much as possible.
    Trade the speed for lives, and apply firepower no equal to anything we have seen.

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    Post  Kiko Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:19 pm

    Zaluzhny's resignation as a process of half-life of the Zelensky regime, by Alexander Nosovich, editor in chief of RuBaltik.Ru. 02.08.2024.

    The military dictatorship in Ukraine, like a snake, bit itself, because the Ukrainian Armed Forces were one of its supporting structures. The regime wants to place responsibility for military failures on the military - its base. And the military, of course, is against it.

    Zaluzhny’s resignation is a process of half-life of the Zelensky regime, as it was formed by the summer of 2022 thanks to martial law and the West’s final decision to wage a proxy war with Russia “to the last Ukrainian.”

    The military dictatorship, like a snake, bit itself, because the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the army were one of its supporting structures. Along with the intelligence services, possessed volunteers and distributors of Western aid.

    Western and Ukrainian media are now trying to soften the blow, explaining what happened as a personal conflict between Zelensky and Zaluzhny. No, this is an institutional conflict, a conflict between the civilian leadership and the army as an institution. This conflict is only personalized by the figures of Zaluzhny and Zelensky. Its essence is that the regime wants to place responsibility for military failures on the military - its base. And the military, of course, is against it.

    And the main thing is that top-level American political managers saw where everything was going, but they were never able to steer the situation. This means that even external control cannot save the Ukrainian government from the processes of self-disintegration, despite the fact that Kyiv lives on Western aid, as if on artificial respiration.

    So it was with the First Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, so it was with the late Ottoman Empire - non-viable formations, the life of which the European powers tried to artificially prolong as much as they could in order to maintain a counterweight to Russia.

    https://vz.ru/opinions/2024/2/8/1252592.html

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    Post  franco Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:39 pm

    As a result of the negotiations, 100 Russian servicemen were returned from Ukrainian captivity. The Russian Ministry of Defense reported this on February 8.

    “100 Russian servicemen who were in mortal danger in captivity have been returned from territory controlled by the Kyiv regime. In exchange, 100 prisoners of war of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (Armed Forces of Ukraine - Ed.) were transferred,” the department noted.

    All those released will be transported to Moscow on military transport aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) for treatment and rehabilitation in medical institutions of the Russian Ministry of Defense. They are provided with the necessary medical and psychological assistance.

    It was noted that during the return of Russian soldiers from captivity, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) provided humanitarian mediation.

    Prior to this, on January 31, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced that as a result of negotiations from the territory controlled by Kiev, 195 Russian prisoners of war were returned , and in return the same number of Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers were transferred to the Ukrainian side. The released servicemen were taken to Moscow, where they will undergo treatment and rehabilitation in medical institutions. They all receive the necessary help.

    In early December, Rodion Miroshnik, Ambassador-at-Large of the Russian Foreign Ministry for crimes of the Kiev regime, said that contacts on the exchange of prisoners between Russia and Ukraine continue , but they must take place in silence. He pointed out that there are complexities in this issue that are influenced by political factors.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:05 pm

    Syrsky was born in Russia and his parents and relatives live in Russia. Which is one more testament how successful the West was in its "project Ukraine". Russians killing Russians in hundreds of thousands. Eastern Slavs are an inferior people.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:20 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Syrsky was born in Russia and his parents and relatives live in Russia. Which is one more testament how successful the West was in its "project Ukraine". Russians killing Russians in hundreds of thousands. Eastern Slavs are an inferior people.

    On the one hand, yes, they have orchestrated a real slaughter and have succeeded in a short term goal

    On the other hand no, it is a massive failure resulting in the rebirth of an empire greater than the first and second iterations of Great Russia

    In the words of Zbigniew Brzezinski: "without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire,  but with Ukraine suborned and subordinated, Russia automatically becomes an empire"

    Unlike the west's adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan, the war in Ukraine will result in Russia's return to imperial power , de facto even if the whole Kremlin doesn't want it

    With a population reaching 170 Millions, a military that is victorious with men of all kinds trained in the modern wars, control of the black sea, access to the Danube, and a buffer zone from Carpathians to Suwalki

    Russia becomes less of a vulnerable state, and more of a continental behemoth

    Not to mention, economically, the 3rd Rome makes the tsarist empire, and the USSR look like dwarves

    No, the west have indeed failed to contain Russia

    The only question is, what will come after

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:35 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:Syrsky was born in Russia and his parents and relatives live in Russia. Which is one more testament how successful the West was in its "project Ukraine". Russians killing Russians in hundreds of thousands. Eastern Slavs are an inferior people.

    On the one hand, yes, they have orchestrated a real slaughter and have succeeded in a short term goal

    On the other hand no, it is a massive failure resulting in the rebirth of an empire greater than the first and second iterations of Great Russia

    In the words of Zbigniew Brzezinski: "without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire,  but with Ukraine suborned and subordinated, Russia automatically becomes an empire"

    Unlike the west's adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan, the war in Ukraine will result in Russia's return to imperial power , de facto even if the whole Kremlin doesn't want it

    With a population reaching 170 Millions, a military that is victorious with men of all kinds trained in the modern wars, control of the black sea, access to the Danube, and a buffer zone from Carpathians to Suwalki

    Russia becomes less of a vulnerable state, and more of a continental behemoth

    Not to mention, economically, the 3rd Rome makes the tsarist empire, and the USSR look like dwarves

    No, the west have indeed failed to contain Russia

    The only question is, what will come after

    This only applies if Russia actually wins the war.

    And it also only applies if Russia never forgets that the West has done to Russia. Russia has a bad habit of forgiving its enemies.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:42 pm

    ALAMO wrote:

    He will do just the same as he did till now.
    Burn through it.
    Giving a fu#ck to all armchair warriors whining and caring shit about the dumbass armchair field marshals' opinion.  
    And the voyenkor's too.
    To keep the Russian army men alive, as much as possible.
    Trade the speed for lives, and apply firepower no equal to anything we have seen.

    It will be difficult to burn through those final 6-7 settlements which are closely connected

    It will be the toughest one of all

    Tougher than Mariupol, Bakhmut, Avdeevka, Lisichansk, Severodonetsk, etc.

    Thus far, most of these fortresses stood alone and were taken into encirclements

    I cannot see how you encircle these settlements in a classical style

    It will require creative solutions... and a lot of fucking firepower

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:46 pm

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    This is what I mean

    Look how easy it is for Russia to attack a lonely settlement (Novomikhailovka)

    They basically can gangbang it from multiple directions

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    This thing is a fucking monster , tackling it will require a lot of boom power

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    Post  Hole Thu Feb 08, 2024 3:21 pm

    Zaluzhny is gone, officially.
    angry

    I appointed Colonel General Syrsky as Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Banderaland.
    This is great news. thumbsup

    This thing is a fucking monster ,
    On paper. Like the Atlantik wall. But the Ukros are nearly out of men, ammo, AD and a lot of other stuff.
    2 to 3 weeks of FABing will create some cracks in the defence, after that Russia can take the "barrier" apart.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:02 pm

    https://tuckercarlson.com/the-vladimir-putin-interview/

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:18 pm

    The dismissal of Zaluzhny is political hara-kiri of Zelensky https://youtu.be/b40EtfomoTI
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    Post  thegopnik Thu Feb 08, 2024 7:22 pm

    looks like people are making jokes about putins interview with carlson.
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    Post  mnztr Thu Feb 08, 2024 9:23 pm

    The info about the USA funding terrorism in the Caucasus. It was funny to hear that the CIA told both Putin and the US President to **** off. essentially. CIA is completely out of control. Its a rogue army.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Feb 08, 2024 9:47 pm

    mnztr wrote:The info about the USA funding terrorism in the Caucasus. It was funny to hear that the CIA told both Putin and the US President to **** off. essentially. CIA is completely out of control. Its a rogue army.

    Reminds me of Syria around 2014 or 2015 when the CIA had backed, trained, armed, and funded one group of terrorists outlawed in both Russia and the United States and was fighting against another group of terrorists outlawed by the US and Russia trained, armed, and funded by the US Army. Yeah, the CIA is a horror show, but well as part of the MIC ponzi scheme its political suicide in this country to ever demand too much in the way of oversight, regulation, or audits because of "national security."

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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:12 pm

    At the moment, things seem to develop in the proper direction, as nobody other than Anglosaxons and their thugs seems to get involved.
    Insurance tariffs were hiked by 50% for US, UK, and Israel-connected operators, increasing the cost by hundreds of thousand $ per ship.

    Which is boosting interest in transport from Asia to Europe via overland rail via Russia...

    they seem to be hitting within about 10m of the intended target.

    Another factor too these are not suicide drones that need to hit the target for effect because they have 3kg warheads... these glide bombs are 500-1500kg bombs whose blast wave and fragment radius is enormous.

    Otherwise, due to cost/manpower req'd to scrap it, they'll let it sit & rot there for more # of years until it sinks or used as a target.

    It does not take high skills to scrap a ship, and the metals collected can recoup the costs of dismantling the ship... more importantly it can be floated from where it is and taken to a open flat area and beached so it does not take up shipyard space that could be used for other things or prepared for other things.

    Eastern Slavs are an inferior people.

    No, I would say the western most slavs in the Ukraine have been contaminated and misled as usual by the west and they are the inferior minds, but their numbers are being thinned by the superior slavs in Russia.

    Of the useful idiots that remain most are likely to flee to the west leaving a much smaller group to pull up to human level... not great, but rather higher than any anglo saxon has achieved.

    On the other hand no, it is a massive failure resulting in the rebirth of an empire greater than the first and second iterations of Great Russia

    Agree, the enormous failure was the lack of integration of Russia into the west before severing ties, which the west are breaking themselves so they cannot use punitive measures against Russia via the WTO for instance over the EU food ban and other cold turkey solutions to build Russia and make it more independent.

    Seems the EU can't afford to subsidise its farmers any longer so it is likely going to have to import food and their unproductive and inefficient farms will likely collapse and die.

    Funny that one solution EU farmers are talking about is the EU dropping sanctions against Russia so the EU can get cheap energy and also sell food to Russia... which is very much wishful thinking... energy is never going to be as cheap as it was for Europe and letting EU food into Russia would let Russian food into the EU which would destroy EU food production the way it stifled Russian food production with cheap food exports to Russia from the EU.


    No, the west have indeed failed to contain Russia

    Not just failed to contain, they have created hostility and open hatred for the west in a country that wanted to be part of the west...

    Ironic that Americas games have broken Europe... a significant portion of the west but also pushed away and pissed off Russia which would have been a resource rich piece to add to the west even if changes would need to be made to accommodate it.

    What an opportunity... lost.


    This only applies if Russia actually wins the war.

    Russia is not going anywhere, but eventually the US runs away and when its money and military goes the EU follows and so does the UK.

    Remember 20 years in Afghanistan and then it was over.

    Tough talk from Germany and the UK about how they will stay even if the US leaves, but it was all BS and they ran with the best of them.

    And it also only applies if Russia never forgets that the West has done to Russia. Russia has a bad habit of forgiving its enemies.

    But how could such evil people be so nice... the west WILL never forgive Russia so it does not matter what Russia will or will not do... it was 30 years after the cold war with 10 years of the US in control of Russia essentially, and then 20 years of Putin trying to create a partnership, and the sanctions and hostility just got worse and worse.

    The reality is that the rest of the world is out there and they want to trade and develop and grow and they don't want to tell Russia what to do or how to behave.

    These tiny but growing economies is where you make the real money... and you can do it without robbing the natives blind... you can help each other... and when you listen to that it sounds so idealistic you would think it would have been American foreign policy all along, but greedy people run the colonial west and greedy people don't do nice or charity.

    It will require creative solutions... and a lot of fucking firepower

    Glide kits for FAB-3000, and FAB-5000, and FAB-9000, and perhaps even some FOAB testing... not to mention drones on ground and in their air day and night chipping away at people and resources and any supply columns going in or coming out.

    looks like people are making jokes about putins interview with carlson.

    The ones making jokes are trying to distract you from the facts and the answers that undermine their views of the situation... that is why western journalists have not been allowed to talk to Putin... what if he makes sense?

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    In regard to accuracy of FAB, they have included a warhead which bursts in the air, and sprays the targets with shrapnel and fragments

    Meaning that 10m accuracy is enough to destroy the target

    These warheads make UMPC an affordable tool of the VKS

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Feb 09, 2024 12:02 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    mnztr wrote:The info about the USA funding terrorism in the Caucasus. It was funny to hear that the CIA told both Putin and the US President to **** off. essentially. CIA is completely out of control. Its a rogue army.

    Reminds me of Syria around 2014 or 2015 when the CIA had backed, trained, armed, and funded one group of terrorists outlawed in both Russia and the United States and was fighting against another group of terrorists outlawed by the US and Russia trained, armed, and funded by the US Army.  Yeah, the CIA is a horror show, but well as part of the MIC ponzi scheme its political suicide in this country to ever demand too much in the way of oversight, regulation, or audits because of "national security."

    I used to watch a great interview with some high ranking exCIA guy, made back in the 80s.
    He was telling the stories about CIA involvement in Angola.
    The sole cause of the whole mess was a fact, that CIA had to withdraw all of its assets and operatives from Vietnam. Corridors at Langley were full of desks manned by sad folks who had perfectly nothing to do.
    Spirit and morale were non existing, and an overwhelming feeling of a giant fiasco was in the air.
    So they needed something to be done with all those guys, and a small, provincial war that was boiling in Africa seemed a perfect idea.
    All those operatives know a round shit about Africa, and were unable to find Angola on the map - but they were put in charge of carrying the usual CIA things there Laughing Laughing
    The effect is well known, yet it is just another great example of the real face of Murica. Not only supported South African invasion and spread the lies about Cuban involvement - which was not existing at the moment, but gathering, training and supplying all kinds of war dogs from around the planet in terrorist activities against legal government.
    So nothing new on the Western front.

    GarryB wrote:
    Which is boosting interest in transport from Asia to Europe via overland rail via Russia...

    And with ships not connected to Anglosaxons and Israel.
    I consider it really funny of how they have tried suggest that Houtis are targeting Russkie anyway, because some Brit registered ship was hit while carrying Russian originated cargo Laughing
    While the only lesson from the fact was, that Russian goods are being traded without much issues, and sometimes even carried by British ships Twisted Evil Laughing Twisted Evil


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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri Feb 09, 2024 12:07 am

    Western terror operations in Moscow yesterday/today after Carlson interview with Putin. Multiple big fires across the city.

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    Post  thegopnik Fri Feb 09, 2024 12:19 am

    Putin could have talked about the maiden massacre, the biolabs, more in depth about the treaty being broken multiple times and ethnic cleansing to happen in Crimea because the interview would generate over 100 million views soon on twitter by tomorrow, but instead he goes on a 30 minute warhammer lore about russias history and how ukraine is an artificial state in which the west wouldn't care enough to continue supplying ukraine but if he addressed some other things about the war that could have sparked more protests to the west for western leaders to take action against Ukraine then further support it.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri Feb 09, 2024 12:56 am

    When will Russia start starting random fires or bomb an equivalent infrastructure destroyed in Russia by these fires Ukraine/West starts? Silence and inaction only encourages and emboldens the enemy. It motivates more arson attacks.

    And where is Gerasimov?

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:26 am

    thegopnik wrote:Putin could have talked about the maiden massacre, the biolabs, more in depth about the treaty being broken multiple times and ethnic cleansing to happen in Crimea because the interview would generate over 100 million views soon on twitter by tomorrow, but instead he goes on a 30 minute warhammer lore about russias history and how ukraine is an artificial state in which the west wouldn't care enough to continue supplying ukraine but if he addressed some other things about the war that could have sparked more protests to the west for western leaders to take action against Ukraine then further support it.

    Some of that is a bridge too far even for a potentially sane representative of western world.
    Pushing biolab agenda in public will be put next to conspiracy theory.
    You have put there some "jokes". Aside from a fact if those are even made by real people, not boot driven, you can compare the flag of localization with the meaning of the comment.
    You are really proposing discussing about locating biolabs working with a certain DNA samples with a guy who is writing about Jews raping children? C'mn Laughing

    This thing works way better in silence. When Russian provided data opened the eyes of the Chinese, that they were on the menu as well.

    Putin's idee fix is the consideration of Russians and Ukrainians being one nation.
    We can argue that at some point, but it is hard to argue idee fix, right?
    But there is a much more important issue behind it.
    This claim is being used as an excuse, because - in my own opinion of course - the real goal of Putin is to push the Russian population as more north of 150mln as possible. Incorporating 15+ mln of orthodox Slav Ukrainians, or even catholic ones, will be a big push for Russian society.
    As I said a long time ago, my guess of the general goal and strategy after the April 22 broken peace deal will be landlocking a shithole surrounding Lvov, with 8-10 mln people living there.
    Getting the Dunai delta. It will open wide all of the Balkans and finally unlock Russia's friendly countries like Serbia or Hungary.
    It will create a whole new opportunity for the region, leaving the EU as an option, not a must.
    Finally resolve the Transnistria issue, bringing two more millions of Russkie.
    Faced with Russia at it's borders, there will be a deteriorating will of Moldova to do stupid things.
    Imagine, that after the end of this shit, both Slovakia and Hungary will get a green light from Moscow to take back the territories where Slovaks and Hungarians live. And Romanians. Every time such an event occur, it gives a giant nationalistic ant patriotic blow to the society.
    If administrated correctly, when all the people in those countries will knew that it was a good will gesture from Moscow, it would be rather hard to push forward an agenda about evil tsar in Kremlin.

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    Post  Belisarius Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:56 am

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    Russian Forces have entered and successfully established a foothold in the eastern part of Novomikhailovka

    In the Yuzhnodonetsk direction near Marinka, our troops continue the assault, advancing on Novomikhailovka from three sides.

    Our assaults, supported by artillery and tanks, have actively broken through the defenses of the Ukrainian forces in recent days, capturing several enemy strongholds.

    The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported in the evening that the Russian Army carried out fourteen attacks during the day in the areas of Pobeda, Novomikhailovka, and Georgievka in the Maryinka direction.

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