Russian special military operation in Ukraine #53

PapaDragon wrote:What does "call Volga" mean?

If I recall correctly, its the call sign Russia has given Ukrainians who don't want to go to see Uncle Adolf and Grandpa Bandera to lay down their arms and surrender.

I know their mentality- they don't like to throw away something that may be useful, in their minds, even if with a lot of shortcomings, esp. after losing 2 large ships.

Even in its likely current state (ie with no further damage) it is probably going to cost rather more to get operational and take up too much space and too many resources to get working than is worth while.

It is like spending $100K to restore a car that is worth maybe $20K in mint condition (which it wont be).

in that case, Ukraina could be made into a large DDG specifically for the Black, Red & Med. Seas ops.

It is not a question of finding a use for it...

as a DDG it'll be at least 2x as powerful, carry more fuel, weapons, 1-2 helos, & with better seakeeping! Sure, they may name it Moskva or Kiev, to make a point!

Why spend all that money to make a shallow empty point?

If it was operational I would say upgrade it to make it useful, but in its current state I say scrap it and focus on the new stuff.

they may modify them for Calibers/Oniks/Zircons, or put different tubes in their place to carry them, if need be.

They do have other ships in the class, but they don't have the growth potential of the Orlan class so the less money wasted on them the better.

they may complete it partually with minimum systems & continue working on it even while on training/deployments, before final fitting out is done in the yard/pierside.

Moskva got the minimum and it seems it needed more work on its fire suppression systems. If you are not going to give it a decent overhaul and make it useful then scrap it because half arsed is still not cheap but also a liability in action.

Even if Turkey opens the straits to naval ships, she may close them again & most ships r being build outside of the Black Sea, while the internal waterways rn't as deep anymore;

Turkey has closed the waterways to military ships for the duration of the conflict. That is just fine.

Btw, the Balaclava submarine base/shelter is being restored, so there will be more room for large ships in the region.

More room is being created, so use it for new and modern ships that are useful instead of incomplete hulks that have little potential moving forward even if they were complete.

Ukrainian women soldiers digging trenches by hand using pickaxes and shovels near the frontline. Zelensky doesn’t give them any actual trench-digging machines

They are not digging trenches, they are digging in mortar base plates for which digging machines would be a waste of time and money.

still, the Russian losses r not something to be proud of.

No, but then the Russians were given no choice in this conflict, after trying time and time again to get peace agreements they ended up having to start this war and the cowardly actions of kiev and the west confirm that conflict was the right decision because Kiev is scum and cannot be negotiated with.

The destruction of Kievs military is a necessary step to peace and prosperity in the region and security for Russia moving forward.

The RN lost a few ships in the S. Atlantic, but at least Argentina had a real navy; the Ukrainians OTH use UA/SVs, CMs & AshMs with the help of NATO intel.

The RN had operational aircraft carriers and should not have lost any ships at all because the Argentine navy stayed mostly in port and did not interfere in the British invasion and reoccupation of the Malvinas.

The RN was supposed to be a force to fight the Soviets and succumbed to Exocet missiles, which was a minor threat in comparison to what the Soviets were fielding at the time.

It's possible they decided to use the CIWIS instead of more expencive SAMs; in any case, it performed well.

No. It is not possible at all. No ships captain would say... don't worry about using the expensive SAMS... just use the CIWS to shoot it down because that is cheaper...

No captain would be that stupid and no captain would still be a captain after such a situation occurred.

The USN also has a SSGN there with 154 LACMs, while the BSF has only 5-6 SSKs that must use torpedo tubes to launch theirs.

Tomahawks that Soviet era defences shoot down in enormous numbers... compared with Soviet and Russian anti ship missiles and land attack missiles that seem to reach their targets most of the time.

And makes the USN look really bad - god forbid they ever are targeted by a Kinzhal or a Zircon

Actually even Moskit and Onyx would be a real problem for them...

"Those bastards shelled Donetsk for the last 10 years - we will trap them - and if they do not call VOLGA - we will wipe them out" - and the FABs prove me right.

Hahaha... I am guessing VOLGA is the surrender code... the western equivalent is calling Uncle...

"I wasn't born in the Ukraine - I was born in Donbass"

When Kiev's post-coup government sent troops to the East, Givi heroically defended his home. Probably the best known commander in 's civil war.

Today marks seven years since his death. RIP hero.

Seven years on it is a rather different war now...

I dont know which type of bombs were used by the Russians, but they need to put more resources to improve the accuracy of their munitions. The strike would have been spectacular if the objects were directly hit. Also, this kind of miss gives propaganda points to anti Russian trolls

When talking about aircraft delivered bombs of 500kg and 1,500kg a miss by a few metres is not important... a shockwave and fragments can kill over a wide radius even though neither can be seen from a distance.

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Russian Air Defense failing to intercept Storm Shadow

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I suspect it is a video showing an S-300 battery setting up as two Storm Shadows fly past at low altitude... the thing is that the battery just arrived to that position which the planners of the Storm Shadow mission likely had no clue about, but as part of the IADS that battery will pass on information about those missiles so the other systems that are set and working can engage the targets closer to their target.

This is not evidence that S-300 batteries are vulnerable to SS attack, it is evidence that SS missiles are blind and cannot engage an important target it stumbles over and it blindly flies on to its designated target... likely to be shot down now that that target is probably going to be alerted now.

S-300 missiles would not normally be used to shoot down Storm Shadow missiles aimed at the battery, such threats would be engaged by the Pantsir and TOR batteries defending the S-300 battery.