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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:27 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:I think the only answer is to effect a mass surrender, or they will all die

    I'm happy with either option, though it would be nice to capture some intact Azovs for the post-victory celebrations and organised screamings.  Twisted Evil

    The big question in my mind is where are the hard-line nationalist forces hiding?  Zaluzhny has apparently been keeping them out of the meat grinder so as to preserve them as a strategic reserve, and potentially as the core of their much-suggested "insurgency" if (when) the Russians win.  Without these hard-core nazi bstardz the Ukroscum can forget about any insurgency.  Any ukropi who wants to fight Russia has had 2 years to step up to the plate, and they are now mostly dead or incapacitated.  Other than Azovite reserves in hiding, who is going to  sign up for this partisan action?

    Find the nationalist hard-core nutters.  KILL the nationalist hard-core nutters.  Every single one.  Kill their pets as well just to be sure (but be humane in their case).  Don't make the same mistake that Stalin made in 1949 after the Bandera resisatance was finally crushed.  Forget stupid fanciful notions such as "slavic brotherhood".  These fcking maggots are eternal irredeemable ENEMIES.  Treat them just like the Wahhabi remnants of the Chechen islamists - hunt them down and eliminate them. If they run and hide in foreign nations, find them and whack them anyway. Keep up the effort until they are officially declared to be an extinct species like the Dodo or the Tasmanian Tiger.  The only difference will be that unlike these unique animals, no-one will lament the loss of the Banderite genepool.  No-one will contemplate their genetic resurrection.  There will be no search for banderite DNA in museum exhibits or a banderite version of Jurassic Park. Twisted Evil

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:34 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:judging from its pics, it wasn't even outfitted with any radars, target illuminators & comm. antennas, so there's isn't much left to replace except the missile tubes;

    Really?  Not sure what photos you are referring to. Try this one from Dec 2013. Its probably deteriorated a great deal in the 10 years since this was taken. Just like the rest of that shthole "nation".

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:53 am

    I saw it before, but there were a lot more radars,etc. on the Moskva: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/15/sinking-moskva-what-we-know-russia-ship-sunk-missile-ukraine#img-1
    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1536/cpsprodpb/70AE/production/_124164882_tv075305451.jpg.webp

    Even if they take some working old gear off their decommissioned CGNs &/ other ships & install it on the Ukraina, it would help secure the N. Black Sea/E. Med. & strengthen the BSF, if only as a stop gap.


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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:23 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    ucmvulcan wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://www.newsweek.com/russia-machine-guns-rifles-ukraine-1867366
    So uh could you give me a whole load of those newsweek articles? I can use my tiller and mix them in with my top soil and have a very nice garden this year.  Damn that's a load of nutrient rich bullshit
    I don't care what u may do with them. No1 should be laughing about old arms being used by both sides, as they r as useful & lethal as when they 1st appeared on earlier battlefields. Enough said, & don't even bother to reply!

    This is a rehashed and dolled up new telling of last year's western disinformation where among other things Russia was sending untrained conscripts for whom they could not even provide adequate winter clothing and arming with weaponry that was obsolete by the Russian civil war. Its clear projection to make their readers feel better about the very old, mainly useless, and in many instances completely useless crap they are giving to their canon fodder proxies in the Ukwehrmacht.

    Now, every lie does have a nugget of truth in it. This lie's truth is that before the war directly involved Russia in 2022, the Donbass militias were using very antiquated weapons. In one case they drove an old IS-2 off a monument and in to battle. However, my guess -and as geroman always says "time will tell" - is that in the past several months the material situation of the DPR and LPR has greatly improved. We know the Ukes cannot be supplied adequately and so they are desperately trying to portray the Russians as having as bad or worse equipment than their slaves in Ukraine.

    Take this story for what it is, PROPAGANDA.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:07 am

    judging from its pics, it wasn't even outfitted with any radars, target illuminators & comm. antennas, so there's isn't much left to replace except the missile tubes; the inside spaces don't have any furniture & other combustibles either, so what else can burn on it escept paint & rubber door seals? Electrical cables that u say need replacement anyway? Russia can send an Il-76/Be-2000 fire bombers &/ firefighting tugs to dump tons of H2O on it, if need be. Or they can scuttle it before rising it again.

    I don't understand why you are so keen to save it?

    Moving forward they should be spending money on upgrading the ships and subs they do have that will give them the best capability. The amount of money and time this ship would soak up would be better spent on new ships of modern design.

    Give their existing Slavas a quick upgrade and put them to sea to fill the gap of long range trips to allies and friends while the Kirov class ship recently upgraded can be put into the water and tested to see if the upgrades and improvements are worth the money... not all of them will be.

    After a few years testing they can decide what was good value for money... what improved performance the most without costing too much and apply those improvements to the PtG when it needs its own upgrade and overhaul. They can also develop new systems and equipment for their new Destroyer and new Cruiser designs that that they could test in a PtG upgrade... the value of testing will cover the costs involved and make them worth while.

    The reason the Zumwalt failed was because everything was new and untested and it all failed together so you couldn't tell where the real problems were or whether problems from another system made this system fail when this system was actually just fine.

    IMO, completing & outfitting it will be less costly than scrapping or building/buying a new CG/DDG of comparable size that is needed for their future blue water ops.

    They have some cruisers, what they need are frigates and corvettes and destroyers, so getting the first two into full serial production and working on the new destroyer design should be a higher priority. They can probably lay down and build a half dozen corvettes in the space and materials and budget set aside to get this old cruiser operational... possibly more... and right now a half dozen corvettes will be more useful, because once they have enough frigates and corvettes then they can move on to destroyers and cruisers...

    Even if they take some working old gear off their decommissioned CGNs &/ other ships & install it on the Ukraina, it would help secure the N. Black Sea/E. Med. & strengthen the BSF, if only as a stop gap.

    A modern Frigate would be more capable than the Ukraina... and there is no way that name would survive.

    To be clear... if this ship was a Kirov class, it might be worth trying to save, but this is a slava class... this was plan B in case the Kirov class was a total failure.

    The Slava class is not a failure but its external angled missile mounts make it much harder to upgrade with vertical launch systems than the vertical launch systems in the Kirov which can be replaced with new multipurpose vertical launch systems.

    Big ships are not cheap but they do provide a capability smaller ships cannot provide, but you need both and right now they have both and I rather suspect the facts of the matter are that this ship would take an enormous upgrade and overhaul effort just to get it to a point where it becomes a viable training ship... to make it an operational ship would require rather more effort and time and money.

    Scrapping it immediately frees up the space to make quite a few new ships which, while smaller, would be rather more useful. It also frees up material and equipment that would have gone into the ship that could be put in a large number of other ships being made, and of course the money going into these other ships means more ships produced faster... which is more use than a Slava class ship.

    Given the choice of a replacement Moskva or four Corvettes and a couple of new frigates it is pretty obvious which would be more use for the Russian Navy right now.

    In the long term they will need Cruisers, but they already have a few available and one returning to service after a refit and upgrade so they can decide if it was worth it and perhaps if the PtG should get the same or similar upgrades.

    I would think even at worst the PtG should go into dry dock in 4-5 years time and get its complex propulsion system replaced with a couple of RTM-400 nuclear power units... just for testing purposes to see how it goes as ships propulsion... maybe a couple of RTM-200s could power their new Destroyers.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:16 am

    I don't understand why you are so keen to save it?
    I know their mentality- they don't like to throw away something that may be useful, in their minds, even if with a lot of shortcomings, esp. after losing 2 large ships.
    They have some cruisers, what they need are frigates and corvettes and destroyers,..
    in that case, Ukraina could be made into a large DDG specifically for the Black, Red & Med. Seas ops.
    A modern Frigate would be more capable than the Ukraina... and there is no way that name would survive.
    as a DDG it'll be at least 2x as powerful, carry more fuel, weapons, 1-2 helos, & with better seakeeping! Sure, they may name it Moskva or Kiev, to make a point!
    The Slava class is not a failure but its external angled missile mounts make it much harder to upgrade with vertical launch systems..
    they may modify them for Calibers/Oniks/Zircons, or put different tubes in their place to carry them, if need be.
    Scrapping it immediately frees up the space to make quite a few new ships which, while smaller, would be rather more useful.
    they may complete it partually with minimum systems & continue working on it even while on training/deployments, before final fitting out is done in the yard/pierside.
    Even if Turkey opens the straits to naval ships, she may close them again & most ships r being build outside of the Black Sea, while the internal waterways rn't as deep anymore; the local yards r building mostly small missile boats+2 LHDs, not Corvettes/FFG/DDGs. The Nikolaev yard will take time to restore to its prev. level.
    Btw, the Balaclava submarine base/shelter is being restored, so there will be more room for large ships in the region.
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    Post  lancelot Wed Feb 07, 2024 6:51 am

    Continuing to invest in the Slava class is a pointless waste of time. The ship wasn't designed with VLS systems in mind to begin with. So unlike with the Kirov class battlecruisers it would basically be impossible to add modern VLS to it. Those slanted launchers are totally obsolete and none of the modern surface attack missiles would be available for such installations. The engines are gas turbines made in Ukraine. While I am sure that Russia has ways to keep them functional they certainly don't need more of these things.

    A Project 22350M would knock the socks off any of these ships in terms of combat power despite having much smaller displacement.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:15 am

    lancelot wrote:Continuing to invest in the Slava class is a pointless waste of time. The ship wasn't designed with VLS systems in mind to begin with. So unlike with the Kirov class battlecruisers it would basically be impossible to add modern VLS to it. Those slanted launchers are totally obsolete and none of the modern surface attack missiles would be available for such installations. The engines are gas turbines made in Ukraine. While I am sure that Russia has ways to keep them functional they certainly don't need more of these things.

    A Project 22350M would knock the socks off any of these ships in terms of combat power despite having much smaller displacement.

    Generally agree with your overall thrust, but the Slava class did have true VLS capability with the Fort S-300F AA battery. Its the Kirov-style rotary mechanical magazines but it is a true vertical launch.

    Russia chose not to upgrade Moskva, and they only partially upgraded Varyag. Why would they ever be interested in bringing the Slava Ukraini Kokaini up to service condition? She has been somewhat of a cursed ship, and sadly has been left to rot in the hands of apes. Time to put the old girl out of her misery.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Feb 07, 2024 9:20 am

    JohninMK wrote:This passes my 'is it a big enough bang' test. Three bombs, the first could be bigger than the others, the third you can see just bore it explodes well above ground, no sign of wings. Can't see the second. The first really does make a mess of the building it hits.

    First : 0:03

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    lancelot wrote:Continuing to invest in the Slava class is a pointless waste of time. The ship wasn't designed with VLS systems in mind to begin with. So unlike with the Kirov class battlecruisers it would basically be impossible to add modern VLS to it. Those slanted launchers are totally obsolete and none of the modern surface attack missiles would be available for such installations. The engines are gas turbines made in Ukraine. While I am sure that Russia has ways to keep them functional they certainly don't need more of these things.
    A Project 22350M would knock the socks off any of these ships in terms of combat power despite having much smaller displacement.

    It is an entirely moronic discussion, as this ship is just a bunch of junk metal rusting on water. It was easily accessible to anyone who wanted for the last 15 years at least. There are even films on YT showing how it looks inside. With obviously visible signs of vandalism and ripping it off anything that could have been sold on Ebay.
    BUT it had a Rif-M VLS system in the aft deck, so there is plenty of space for VLS if we are talking about technicals only.
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    Onix was tested on a sloped rack as well, you can easily put a triplet for every single Bazalt tube.
    But jokes aside.

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    Post  Kiko Wed Feb 07, 2024 11:55 am

    The Russian Army is systematically tightening the “Avdeevka stranglehold”, by Ilya Abramov and Anastasia Kulikova for VZGLYAD. 02.07.2024.

    The Russian army broke through the defenses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the northeast of Avdeevka and was able to gain a foothold in the urban area. Moreover, fighters of the Russian Armed Forces are moving towards a key transport artery through which the enemy garrison in the city is supplied. What are the peculiarities of Russian tactics on this sector of the front?

    Russian troops broke through the defenses of the Ukrainian armed forces and entered Avdiivka from the northeast, approaching the key road along which the Ukrainian Armed Forces group is supplied. As “Military Correspondents of the Russian Spring” reported in their Telegram channel , the offensive in this area began several days ago.

    As a result, the Russian military “were able to gain a foothold in the development and move forward” in the northern part of the city – “along Sapronova and Lesya Ukrainka streets, in the southern part of the Ivushka station, along two forest belts near Vesely and occupied the remaining part of the Raduga gardening partnership.”

    Military correspondents point out that “Ukrainian military propagandists are screaming” that a critical situation has developed for the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the city and “hundreds of meters remain to the main logistics artery of the Ukrainian troops.” It is also noted that the enemy General Staff reported 38 Russian attacks per day: 24 at Novobakhmutovka and Avdeevka, 14 at Pervomaisky and Nevelsky.

    It is curious that in the middle of last week there were reports about the desire of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny to withdraw troops from the territory of the fortified area. Thus, the general wanted to “level the front” and facilitate the defense. However, Vladimir Zelensky did not support such a decision. At the same time, the term “Avdeevka noose” is gaining increasing popularity in the Ukrainian blogosphere.

    Let us remind you that Avdeevka is part of the huge agglomeration of Donetsk. The city, since 2014, has been transformed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces into a grandiose fortified area, equipped with bunkers, elevators for armored vehicles, the fortifications here are literally filled with concrete. In fact, it is a colossal fortress with an area of ​​tens of square kilometers.

    It is here that the combat positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ artillery batteries are located, regularly carrying out terrorist attacks on Donetsk. But the importance of Avdiivka for the Ukrainian Armed Forces is not limited to this. Its garrison puts pressure on the entire Donbass. This is where sabotage attacks take place. Here the Ukrainian Armed Forces are holding back a significant part of the efforts of Russian troops on this section of the front.

    According to experts, this is why the operation to liberate Avdiivka has been going on for about four months. Thus, the start of the operation occurred in mid-October and was accompanied by one of the most powerful attacks on the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from cannon and rocket artillery during the entire period of the special operation. In addition, attack aircraft were actively involved during the offensive.

    Later, the advance of Russian troops entered a new stage. The initial breakthrough gave way to a gradual and methodical offensive, in which an artillery or air strike was carried out on enemy positions before the attack, after which the infantry attacked.

    As a result, the Russian army was able to recapture the waste heap located in the area of ​​the coke plant (AKHZ) from the Ukrainian Armed Forces and gain a foothold on its territory. Experts noted that control over this facility is of great importance for a further attack on the city. In addition, parallels were drawn with Mariupol, when possession of a dominant height helped increase the effectiveness of attacks on the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

    Later, in January, the Russian army carried out a unique military operation, taking control of one of the enemy’s most important fortified areas, the Tsar’s Hunt, in just one day. The key to the defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was an ordinary underground cast-iron pipe with a diameter of about a meter and a length of about two kilometers, laid since Soviet times for drainage purposes.

    On the night of January 19, an advanced reconnaissance detachment of 150 people crawled along a cleared pipe, made a way out and suddenly appeared from under the ground behind the enemies. The enemy's sentinels, guards and observation posts were eliminated. The Tsar's Hunt garrison, as well as several units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the nearby forest plantations and in the holiday village, found themselves in mini-cauldrons and for the most part surrendered without resistance. Experts now note: in the conditions of serious concrete fortifications and industrial zones, the capture of Avdievka could not be fleeting. And now, when the main supply artery of the enemy group is under threat, there is every chance that the complete liberation of the populated area is not far off.

    “Russian troops are fighting in the area of ​​the former air defense base from the west and from the side of the Tsar’s Hunt, trying to pin the enemy. There is progress near the settlements of Stepovoye, Novokalinovo and Ocheretino to the north of Avdeevka. This is necessary to support the flanks of our army,” said military analyst Mikhail Onufrienko.

    “In addition, our troops are closing the semi-circle near the Donetsk filtration station in order to level the front in the area of ​​the Avdeevka industrial zone. In the north of the city, the Russian army is advancing in the area of ​​Lesya Ukrainka Street and is very close to the highway to Orlovka, along which the Ukrainian Armed Forces group is supplied,” he notes.

    “Since Avdiivka stretches from southeast to northwest, the most effective way to fight the enemy may be to cut his supply lines. In this case, the formations located at the coke plant, the most fortified part of the city, will be separated from the rest of the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” the interlocutor emphasizes.

    “So far we are moving rather slowly, as we are using a barrage strategy, which involves the methodical destruction of enemy forces facing our army. This method does not involve strategic breakthroughs, although it allows us to bleed the Ukrainian Armed Forces,” the expert emphasizes.

    “It is worth noting the actions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Avdiivka. The enemy regularly launches incursions and attempts to counterattack our positions. In addition, the Ukrainian Armed Forces stubbornly defend themselves, even when in a hopeless situation, for example, at a filtration station. They are also breaking through the shelled road from Orlovka to supply the group in the city,” Onufrienko explained.

    Therefore, the Armed Forces of Ukraine should not be underestimated, and we cannot relax.”

    Military expert Alexey Leonkov notes that Russian troops are acting systematically. “Our fighters are confidently pushing the enemy out of the positions that he has occupied for nine years,” the interlocutor said, recalling that Avdiivka was considered one of the most fortified areas of the line that Ukraine built on the borders of the Lugansk and Donetsk republics. According to expert estimates, an advance of even 100 meters in Avdeevka is equivalent to a kilometer, if not more, in open areas.

    “Russian troops operate in urban conditions, where each building has been turned by the enemy into a separate fortified area with firing points and minefields. To advance quickly means to incur heavy losses in personnel. This tactic does not suit us,” Leonkov emphasized.

    If the dynamics of the advance of the Russian Armed Forces continues, then Avdeevka will “fall” in a matter of weeks, says military correspondent Fedor Gromov. “The enemy’s defense system may crumble in the near future. If Russian troops are able to “cut” the city into two parts or even into isolated sectors, the Avdeevka garrison simply will not be able to act as a single whole,” he explained.

    “Currently Avdiivka is in semi-coverage.

    We struck from the south, as was the case with the capture of the Tsarskaya Okhota stronghold. Then they struck from the north. By this time, the number of reserves available to the Ukrainian army had seriously decreased. Moreover, a fist of equipment assembled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces was destroyed by our artillery,” said the military correspondent.

    Therefore, Gromov doubts that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be able to counterattack if Russian troops manage to “dissect” the city. “To do this, the enemy must have at least one fresh mechanized brigade with tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. And they have problems with this,” the interlocutor pointed out.

    The tactics of the Russian Armed Forces in the Avdeevsky direction are absolutely correct, adds Gromov. “Sharp movements and haste are doomed to failure,” the military correspondent emphasized. He recalled that in October a large coverage of Avdiivka was initially planned, but then the Ukrainian Armed Forces managed to transfer reserves and thereby “prolong the siege.” “When our fighters took the industrial zone, one of the key points, we had options for maneuver,” Gromov concluded.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:43 pm

    Thanks Alamo, I was looking in the wrong place Smile

    A bit more on it

    Okhrimovka, Volchansky district, Kharkov region.

    Former agricultural enterprise.
    There were military equipment warehouses and a storage place for military equipment, as well as a temporary deployment point for Ukrainian militants.

    8 aerial bombs pierced all the hangars and pierced the hidden concrete fortifications of the underground bunkers.

    From here the shelling of Shchebekino was conducted.

    https://t.me/vicktop55/21055

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 07, 2024 12:46 pm

    Meanwhile in Kiev it might be that the SBU control of social media etc is slipping.





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    Residents of Kiev are complaining on social networks that their employers are demanding that they not be late for work, despite the air raid warning. As a result, people are on the streets while fragments of Ukrainian air defense fall on them.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:06 pm

    It looks like events are speeding up. Compare comments from 12 hours ago

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    Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 713:

    Situation at Avdivka front: #RussianArmy continued to advance through the urban area of the city reaching the railroad and driving #UkrainianArmy off the bridge south of the coke plant. At the moment it is not possible to speak about the capture of the bridge as the fighting continues in Summer cottage areas.

    Meanwhile in the south Russian troops took control of hill 218 northeast of Opytne which leaves Ukrainian troops deployed in the Former air defense missile battalion in a semi-circle situation.
    The situation of the Ukrainian forces in Avdivka is precarious, as only one supply line to the city remains which is under direct fire control of the Russian artillery.

    The decision time of the Ukrainian command to withdraw the troops from there is running out and if the dynamics of these last days continues we could see a huge amount of prisoners and a strong blow to the Ukrainian morale that would lose its biggest fortress in the eastern front.

    Then 1 hour ago

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    During the last hours #RussianArmy was able to consolidate control over the railway bridge, cutting off the northern supply route. In view of this situation, the Ukrainian command finally gave the go-ahead for the evacuation of its troops from the city of Avdivka. The battle for the city is already lost for the #UkrainianArmy.

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    Ukrainian forces started to mine buildings in Avdeevka. That means the battle for retreat has started.

    We saw the same in Artemovsk (Bakhmut) AFU is now trying to fight its way out of the cauldron.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:13 pm

    The hammering of Ukraine shows no let up.

    From the report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation dated 02/07/2024.

    Enemy losses yesterday were:
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    1,055 military personnel
    5 armored vehicles
    12 artillery systems
    66 units of special vehicles
    104 UAV
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    This morning, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation launched a group strike with high-precision long-range air and sea-based weapons, as well as unmanned aerial vehicles, against enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine that produce unmanned boats, coastal missile systems, missiles for multiple launch rocket systems and explosives. The target of the strike has been achieved.
    All objects are hit.
    ➖➖➖
    In the Donetsk direction , an ammunition depot of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was destroyed. Warehouses of aviation weapons and fuel were also hit.
    ➖➖➖
    Air defense systems in the area of the village of Alekseevka, Donetsk People's Republic, shot down a MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force.
    ➖➖➖
    During the day, four rockets from the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system were intercepted.

    #summary
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    Post  Sujoy Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:41 pm

    Extremely expensive method of laying anti tak mines and not effecient either when the mine is landing upside down.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:46 pm

    The discipline and professionalism of the Russians is admirable. They learned from their mistakes and grew stronger.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:15 pm

    Translation from the channel of Marat Khairullin (https://t.me/voenkorkhayrullin/2119) February 6, 2024:

    Regarding the situation at the front, it is crucial to highlight the developments at the Avdeevka Front, where significant events are unfolding today.

    From the northeast, fighters from the 114th brigade (formerly the 11th regiment of the DPR) and the 30th (Samara) brigade successfully breached the enemy's defenses at the Avdeevsky quarry, also known as Golubiye Ozera, and entered the city limits in the area of Zheleznodorozhny Lane. They advanced along Sapronov Street, proceeding from the north to Donetskaya Street, and reached the position near the Zheleznodorozhny Bridge.

    Simultaneously, the 115th special forces brigade of the Russian Guard, specialized in urban warfare, entered the city.

    Viewed in its entirety, this unexpected maneuver by Russian troops effectively cut off Avdeevka at its narrowest point, from the Zheleznodorozhny Bridge to the main transport artery supplying the large group entrenched on the southern front (from the Yasinovataya side).

    Is estimated that there is a 10,000-strong enemy group here, which is now trapped, including within the most crucial fortified area of the enemy, known as the 9th quarter or the Citadel position.

    Moreover, from the direction of the village of Spartak and the Airport (where I am currently situated), forces from Slavyanka brigade have begun advancing towards the outskirts of Avdeevka between the Citadel and the "Voinskaya chast" position. It is worth mentioning that Slavyanka fighters had entered this position from the direction of the village of Spartak a few days earlier and have been making progress towards the main complex of buildings.

    Additionally, forces from the village of Opytnoye have moved towards the rear of the mentioned position and approached another significant enemy position, Estakada, which serves as a supply route for the entire fortified area around the Voinskaya Chast.

    Currently, our forces have established a position between the Citadel and Estacada, occupying the crucial height 218, from which they can effectively target both positions.

    Taking into account the recent advancements in the area of the Tsarskaya Okhota position, where our forces had reached almost to the intersection of Sportivnaya and Chernyshevsky streets a week earlier, the situation for the opposing forces has become increasingly challenging. Despite their attempts to launch counterattacks in recent days, they have suffered significant losses.

    Just yesterday, our forces destroyed nearly 200 enemy soldiers and several American Bradleys, which are predominantly used by two elite Ukrainian units—the 47th brigade and the special forces of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    @VestnikRus

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:10 pm

    lancelot wrote:Continuing to invest in the Slava class is a pointless waste of time.
    if nothing else, it could still be made into a long endurance CG or intel ship- 2 were lost/damaged in the BS a while back:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ship_Liman
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a44005836/did-ukraine-sink-russian-intelligence-ship-ivan-khurs/
    The characteristics of the Slava reflect an estimated fuel load of about 2,400 tons. This amount of fuel would provide the ship with a range of about 10,000 nautical miles at 16 knots, when calculated using U. S. Navy criteria.https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/1984/august/special-their-salva-class-strike-cruiser#:~:text=The%20characteristics%20of%20the%20Slava,calculated%20using%20U.%20S.%20Navy%20criteria.
    Overall, the Russian losses r more in tonnage than Ukrainian:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ship_losses_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine_(2022-present)

    in other news: https://ura.news/news/1052730851

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-weapons-ukraine/

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:26 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Translation from the channel of Marat Khairullin (https://t.me/voenkorkhayrullin/2119) February 6, 2024:

    Regarding the situation at the front, it is crucial to highlight the developments at the Avdeevka Front, where significant events are unfolding today.

    From the northeast, fighters from the 114th brigade (formerly the 11th regiment of the DPR) and the 30th (Samara) brigade successfully breached the enemy's defenses at the Avdeevsky quarry, also known as Golubiye Ozera, and entered the city limits in the area of Zheleznodorozhny Lane. They advanced along Sapronov Street, proceeding from the north to Donetskaya Street, and reached the position near the Zheleznodorozhny Bridge.

    Simultaneously, the 115th special forces brigade of the Russian Guard, specialized in urban warfare, entered the city.

    Viewed in its entirety, this unexpected maneuver by Russian troops effectively cut off Avdeevka at its narrowest point, from the Zheleznodorozhny Bridge to the main transport artery supplying the large group entrenched on the southern front (from the Yasinovataya side).

    Is estimated that there is a 10,000-strong enemy group here, which is now trapped, including within the most crucial fortified area of the enemy, known as the 9th quarter or the Citadel position.

    Moreover, from the direction of the village of Spartak and the Airport (where I am currently situated), forces from Slavyanka brigade have begun advancing towards the outskirts of Avdeevka between the Citadel and the "Voinskaya chast" position. It is worth mentioning that Slavyanka fighters had entered this position from the direction of the village of Spartak a few days earlier and have been making progress towards the main complex of buildings.

    Additionally, forces from the village of Opytnoye have moved towards the rear of the mentioned position and approached another significant enemy position, Estakada, which serves as a supply route for the entire fortified area around the Voinskaya Chast.

    Currently, our forces have established a position between the Citadel and Estacada, occupying the crucial height 218, from which they can effectively target both positions.

    Taking into account the recent advancements in the area of the Tsarskaya Okhota position, where our forces had reached almost to the intersection of Sportivnaya and Chernyshevsky streets a week earlier, the situation for the opposing forces has become increasingly challenging. Despite their attempts to launch counterattacks in recent days, they have suffered significant losses.

    Just yesterday, our forces destroyed nearly 200 enemy soldiers and several American Bradleys, which are predominantly used by two elite Ukrainian units—the 47th brigade and the special forces of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    @VestnikRus

    Hill 218 changed the equation

    It's a slaughter

    They're basically firing with direct LOS on the citadel and Estakada

    The south of Avdeevka is a foregone conclusion

    The north will require more advances west of Stepove, but once the south is cleared

    Thousands of men will be free to start the push

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:37 pm

    @Arkbangelsk what do you think happens once Avdeevka falls?
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:49 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:@Arkbangelsk what do you think happens once Avdeevka falls?

    1. Kupyansk

    2. Ugledar

    3. Chasov Yar

    Not necessarily in that order, actually it seems some minor push in Ugledar started north of Nikolskoye

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    In general the trend is that Russia is overwhelming the Ukrainians along the entire frontline

    As more men get freed from Avdeevka, those forces will be added to offensives on remaining fortresses

    And the Ukrainian ability to defend will go down as well as their reserves are burned trying to hold onto every inch

    Losing Avdeevka will leave a huge gap for Ukrainians

    But there are still some fortresses to take down before Russia has the operational space to maneuver past the current frontline

    In all, everything is proceeding according to the general staffs plan

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:53 pm

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    South Donetsk direction:

    The Russian Armed Forces are advancing in Georgievka. We advanced along the northern side of St. George's Pond to its end.

    Well, it's the general trend, Ugledar, Georgievka, Kupyansk, Avdeevka

    The whole front is starting to crack

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    🇷🇺🇺🇦ZVO and “🅾” group break through the defenses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Liman, advancing another 1 km to Terny and Yampolovka

    In the Kupyansky-Limansky direction, our troops in fierce battles continue to capture the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ support forces; they have advanced through plantings in a number of areas to a depth of more than 1 km, getting closer and closer to Terny and Yampolovka. 1.5 weeks ago we wrote that the Russian Armed Forces had advanced 2.5 km. Total progress = 3.5 km recently
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    The successes of our troops are again recognized by Ukrainian military propagandists.
    ➖ “In the Liman direction, heavy fighting continues east of Terny and Yampolovka. The Russians have advanced east of Ternov in the eastern part of the Kruglaya gully and the central part of the Laptev Yar in an area up to 1 km wide to a depth of 420 m,” writes one of the enemy resources, traditionally slightly underestimating our promotion.
    ➖ “East of Yampolovka, the Russian Armed Forces advanced in the south-eastern part of the Blizhny Yar in an area up to 600 m wide to a depth of up to 450 m.”

    Ukrainian militants also comment on the situation:
    “The situation is incredibly difficult, the approach to the positions is very difficult, which negatively affects the evacuation, which passes only in the dark and you need to carry the wounded for about 3 km under fire. There are constant enemy attacks, and positions are constantly changing hands. The biggest difficulty is that the enemy has maximum dominance in artillery; during the day it is impossible to even poke your nose out of the dugouts. Therefore, the situation is incredibly difficult."

    The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported in the morning that the Russian army carried out 20 attacks near Belogorovka, Yampolovka, Terny, Torskoye, and Grigorovka.

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    I am very satisfied with the progress of the Russian army

    In general everything is proceeding accordingly and routinely, everyone works professionally

    No assumptions are made and they are not overestimating the Ukrainians

    It's a methodical process

    But it's paying off, and we see the results

    Good job Gerasimov

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:27 pm

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    It was reported that Ukraine has begun using a new type of loitering rocket munitions.

    The device itself is designed according to a “flying wing” design, similar to the Geranium, but is equipped with a German JetCat P400-PRO small-sized turbojet engine with a thrust of 43 kg and a long tail nozzle. With a fuel reserve of 20 liters, the flight range of the device is estimated to be up to 300 km.

    The warhead is high-explosive fragmentation, with ball striking elements. Guidance via the satellite navigation system. Presumably, the device is manufactured abroad; many elements are of American-Canadian origin.

    So let's assume that this is one of the UAVs developed and produced as part of the British program for the supply of unmanned aerial vehicles for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

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