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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:20 pm

    Arkhangelsk do you think there might be a new wave of mobilization after Putin's reelection?
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    Post  Arrow Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:21 pm

    Cover from Kinzhal somewhere in Russia.


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    Post  Hole Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:29 pm

    combined with a command post that operates a mast mounted optical tracking system
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    Yes.

    The Russian aerial assault is just relentless.
    VKS trying desperately to run out of missiles but the Industry doesn´t let them.

    will not be able to accept Russia returning to the Romanian border
    Who the f..ck gives a shit about the desires and wishes of some spineless puppet?

    Cover from Kinzhal
    Butt plug. lol1

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Jan 13, 2024 5:06 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Arkhangelsk do you think there might be a new wave of mobilization after Putin's reelection?
    If the numbers for the volunteers are true, there is not really need to have new wave of mobilization, also because they would need to be trained anyways.

    I do not know it it would make sense maybe to "mobilize" a part of the conscript soldiers who are finishing the 12 months draft.

    About 270000 men are drafted each year (spring draft + fall draft) for 1 year mandatory service.

    At the end of the draft in theory they would have all the basic skills to serve in an active role.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1334431/russia-number-of-conscripts/#:~:text=A%20total%20of%20130%20thousand,2014%2C%20at%20over%20308%20thousand.


    A total of 130 thousand new conscripts were ordered in Russia during the fall draft of 2023. Over the past decade, the highest annual conscription was recorded in 2014, at over 308 thousand. 

    Russian men aged 18 to 27 years are conscripted for one year of active military service, usually twice a year. The spring draft is from April 1 to July 15, and the fall draft is from October 1 to December 31 of each year

    Now the limit age for regular draft is 30 years, not 27.

    People in the west sometimes forget that Russia is still operating in "peace mode" and it is conducting also regular military draft, completely independent from the special military operation in Ukraine (except from large mistakes made at the beginning of the SMO).

    Edit:

    The only issue is that, from my understanding, the training given to conscripts is not aimed to have people ready to go to the front immediately, but only to have a pool of people which later will be reservists and potentially be called in case of a prolonged conflict. 

    Nevertheless the people who are just finishing the military drafts are probably in good shape and better prepared than most other reservists, so would need only some additional specific training to be ready for war in comparison to most other reservists who did their draft several years before.

    In comparison Ukraine is getting people who never served before (not even military draft), giving them a few weeks training and then sending them to the meatgrinder.

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    Post  franco Sat Jan 13, 2024 5:39 pm

    Conscripts make up the largest group enlisting as contractors each year. In fact without higher education, it is a prerequisite, to have served as a conscript to enlist as a contractor.

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    Post  marcellogo Sat Jan 13, 2024 5:58 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Mr. Rambo, calm down, noone launches offensives in the middle of winter

    Let us wait until Putins mandate after March 15 (the ides of March)

    Once the Czar receives the people's mandate - it's time for the tribute to be paid

    Everything must be procedured, February 22nd occurred after the ultimatum (a legal document)

    The upcoming offensives will take place after the mandate from the people (a new doctrine) will be announced in the victory speech

    In case you did not know, Putins victory speeches are usually indicative of what comes next

    His political campaign is not an economic based one, it is a military one (he announced his candidacy to a room of soldiers)

    It means his political life is oriented to a military campaign

    This is how the Kremlin does things now, like the bells that toll, new announcements come routinely, calmly, and planned

    All of Russia is waiting for it, and the world is too!

    I will contest the first affirmation.

    No one launches offensives on Rus' soil in the middle in the winter except russian themselves.
    Here fixed it for you.
    Once the soil is compacted after the Fall's rains the Soviet/Russian army usually get a decisive advantage over its opponents that are instead not so well equipped to deal with it (Ukraine should have been but not now that it relies on western equipment).
    And infact they are now in an offensive mode, only in WWI pace, not in WWII one.

    In reality in Rus' territory there is not any good season for a full pronged offensive once fronts are stabilized.
    Ice in Winter, rasputitsa in Spring and Fall, Dust and Mosquitos in Summer, so in theory one should fight only in the brief period in which seasons change.
    Actually this has been a sort of trap for all invaders, they rush in fast but once they they are stopped  they found themselves in middle of nowhere with ludicrously elongated supply lines...

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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:08 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I mean if the Russians keep going at this speed it won't end by 2025.

    The lengths of this war depends on them
    It depends if there will be a collapse or not at one point.
    Can Ukraine continue with this for 2 years?
    Russia can.
    I believe at a certain point there will be a quick collapse and/ or the same Ukrainian people will refuse to be sent to the meatgrinder.
    We just have not reached that "tipping point".
    ukraine probably can muddle along like this for 2 years. 

    Look at how long the Syria war went. With Russia's advantages in the war , one would think that a real collapse of a defensive line could happen. 

    If Russia fought like they did during Mariupol and the Popasna flower , a defensive collapse would be guaranteed.

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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:12 pm

    GarryB wrote:People... can we stop posting entire conversations...

    It is not hard to delete extra quotes...

    Can you post a 101 on how to delete a previous reply from a post you are quoting ? It's easy to F up and delete the wrong quote code and then it's all f'd up

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:32 pm

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    ⚡🚨🚨🚨🇺🇦WOW....the official air defense reports keep getting worse and worse.
    They failed to intercept anything in last night's attack, not even Shahed drones.

    I think we can officially surmise their AD is almost completely depleted at this point.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:38 pm

    Couldn't happen to a more deserving city

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:40 pm

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    Just now, the tactical aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces carried out several attacks against enemy rear lines using air-to-ground missiles.

    The enemy's air defense did not work

    There were no anti-aircraft alerts - IRu reports

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    Post  Isos Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:53 pm

    They are running out of men to keep the country running. That's why their canalizations are dead.

    Soon it will be other stuff like supply of market, construction, repair of lifts... and stuff like that that will be impacted. It's just a matter of time. More and more are going abroad or at the front.

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    Post  Hole Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:58 pm

    Look at how long the Syria war went.
    Syria was a low intensity conflict. With supply lines and support coming in from Turkey, Jordan, Iraq (through the occupiers) and Israel.
    Except for the border area with Israel those regions are the only places where terrorists are left. Sometimes under direct protection from
    the outside.

    The west can´t keep Banderaland supplied with armored vehicles, AD systems and ammo.
    There will be no syrian scenario with NATO troops coming into western Banderaland to protect their Nazi buddies.

    a defensive collapse would be guaranteed.
    Possibility for a Northern front is growing.
    That will accelerate the collapse.

    the official air defense reports
    The only ones shooting S-300 missiles onto buildings are the Banderites.


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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 13, 2024 10:04 pm

    Any list of interceptions of Russian missiles supplied by the Kiev regime can be dismissed out of hand. That they are now dialing back
    their ludicrous 120% interception rate claims from the past is a type of joke as well.

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    Post  TMA1 Sun Jan 14, 2024 7:34 am

    Until Ukraine is completely depleted, the west will not let them collapse. Remember humanity's enemies and how they think and behave. Optics are paramount. Ukraine would have collapsed long ago without massive, massive support of the west. Think of Ukraine as the bullet riddled body held up as a human shield in one of many beloved late 80s Arnold Schwarzenegger flicks. Ukraine can be kept standing even as a corpse. Pretty fucked up. It is the sad truth. Remember the very real strain between Zelensky and that one general of his. That shit got smoothed out pretty quickly. I am guessing the west threatened the general and told him to stfu.

    It is all upheld by the west at this point. Now it is just a matter of time of how many warm bodies can be filled in the gaps made by Russia. It is a tragedy because Ukraine can do nothing else at this point. They have no sovereignty. Thry have as much choice as those Ukrainian soldiers shot mercilessly by fellow blocking troops behind them for not holding their positions.

    On a side note: this used to be angering but now it is just sad. I typed in barrier troops in google and all I got were legit propaganda rag pieces talking about the evil orc ruskies killing their own sick and hungry soldiers. MSM has gone beyond yellow journalism to outright garish and stupid propaganda.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 14, 2024 7:56 am

    Its possible or probable? that a Gepard wasn't designed to allow rapid protection against incoming anti radiation missiles.

    These AAM based ARMs will be supersonic... in fact if you have some R-27s they probably already have some radar homing seeker heads in stock for the job so missiles coming in at rather high speed from an altitude out of range of the 35mm shells that are probably cheaper than the air burst shells the Gepard is firing to stop them.

    It is using something that is otherwise unlikely to be used for anything in a job that would be rather useful... it would be good to get rid of radars on Kievs side of all types and shapes and sizes and something that was mass produced for a long time that could easily be converted into something useful for the job would mean your existing weapons could concentrate on other tasks.

    To shoot down incoming ARMs it would need to operate its radar continuously making it an easy target for multiple missile attacks... even just damaging the radar will massively reduce its performance and local spare parts and support probably does not exist.

    Those natural gas power plants using gas turbines will basically be scrap iron in a couple years. Without parts and maintenance from Siemens and GE they will be worthless.

    They are not getting parts now, so no change at all really... but Russian engine makers are working on the problem and will no doubt come up with solutions.

    But there is quite a lot of stuff that the Russian state can confiscate. From foreign shares in the oil & gas fields, to foreign shares in Gazprom and Rosneft, etc.

    I think we can be certain that Russia has been giving this a lot of thought for quite some time and probably have a list of things they want to seize if given the chance... lots of variables might change what gets on the list and what order the items on the list have, but I trust them to pick things that do the most damage to those trying to damage Russia.

    I mean if the Russians keep going at this speed it won't end by 2025.

    What is the hurry?  Rushing things will only increase losses and not necessarily speed anything up.

    The lengths of this war depends on them

    If the Ukrainian people decided it could end anytime they wanted...

    Who the f..ck gives a shit about the desires and wishes of some spineless puppet?

    Indeed... they thing Russia should bend to their opinion and will even now...

    ukraine probably can muddle along like this for 2 years.

    Not if the money stops. And the Money is stopping...

    Can you post a 101 on how to delete a previous reply from a post you are quoting ? It's easy to F up and delete the wrong quote code and then it's all f'd up

    You mean like this one?

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7196-tutorial-on-quoting-very-important-you-read-this

    Remember if you are posting a quote by quoting an entire post it would probably be easier to simply type @ and then the member name instead to show who you are talking to rather than quote the entire conversation.

    I do agree it can be tricky because if you delete parts of quote sometimes the number of brackets is not even which can completely mess the formatting.

    If in doubt instead of clicking on send click on preview.

    Brackets are nested outwards so if everyone was quoting everyone else but no one said anything the last posts would look like this:

    For example if I take post number 444 on this thread it looks like this on the page when posted:

    Backman wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Kiko wrote:@Manov. Murió Gonzalo Lira. Gonzalo Lira is dead.

    Details...


    https://www.rt.com/news/590559-gonzalo-lira-dead/

    Collapsed lung and pneumonia, Ukrop prison authorities ignored his condition, US gov ignored his plight...  

    Very sad. But Gonzalo had some concerning vibes about him over the last 2 years. He was so resigned to his fate. Its almost like he wanted it to happen.

    I heard that he was worth 18 million dollars. What a waste of a life. He didn't have to work but ended up like this

    But when you use the quote button you will see:

    {quote="Backman"}{quote="Big_Gazza"}{quote="franco"}{quote="Kiko"}@Manov. Murió Gonzalo Lira. Gonzalo Lira is dead.{/quote}

    Details...

    {/quote}

    {url=https://www.rt.com/news/590559-gonzalo-lira-dead/}https://www.rt.com/news/590559-gonzalo-lira-dead/{/url}

    Collapsed lung and pneumonia, Ukrop prison authorities ignored his condition, US gov ignored his plight...  {/quote}

    Very sad. But Gonzalo had some concerning vibes about him over the last 2 years. He was so resigned to his fate. Its almost like he wanted it to happen.

    I heard that he was worth 18 million dollars. What a waste of a life. He didn't have to work but ended up like this{/quote}

    Which looks complicated but if I remove the content from each post and simplify it it looks like this:


    {quote="1"}{quote="2"}{quote="3"}{quote="4"}4{/quote}

    3

    {/quote}

    2 {/quote}

    1{/quote}
    Which is just a set of nested tables the quote person corresponds to their quoted text of the same number.

    So to trim everything except the last quote which you are replying to you select between the brackets between the quote 1 and quote 2 and you drag and select down to the last bracket after the number 2 quoted text so you are left with


    {quote="1"}
    1{/quote}

    Remember the brackets are the square brackets but if I use square brackets here you wont be able to see them so I use the shift key when pressing the bracket buttons to get the curly brackets.

    This will be added to the tutorial link above so it is easier to find.

    WOW....the official air defense reports keep getting worse and worse.
    They failed to intercept anything in last night's attack, not even Shahed drones.

    I think we can officially surmise their AD is almost completely depleted at this point.

    Perfectly logical though, in a fight where one is landing blows and the other is trying to defend it makes sense for those blows to include attacks that weaken the targets ability to block your blows so you can hit where you please.

    Couldn't happen to a more deserving city

    Is it coming up out of the sewers or is that a judgement?

    Until Ukraine is completely depleted, the west will not let them collapse.

    Elements in the west are already using funding for Ukraine as leverage to get their own agendas pushed through politically... whether it is the Republicans wanting a wall or Hungary just wanting to be noticed. Not everyone in the west is making money out of this shit show and after the coming elections many of those that are are going to be out of a job with no ability to pull strings any more...

    Suggesting the west can support the Ukraine for two years... well lets be honest... at the moment that is the UK and Germany but really it is the US, and if the US wanted to quit this game and go home the game would quickly end... just like US occupation of Afghanistan, and hopefully like US occupation in Syria and Iraq and Germany and South Korea and Japan... but now I am getting silly aren't I?

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:26 am

    Isos wrote:They are running out of men to keep the country running. That's why their canalizations are dead.
    Soon it will be other stuff like supply of market, construction, repair of lifts... and stuff like that that will be impacted. It's just a matter of time. More and more are going abroad or at the front.

    Very good observation.
    I will add something more to it.
    The more modern agglomeration is, the more it will be affected by that.
    What people in rural conditions consider as relatively unpleasant events, can physically undo habitation in a city.
    Trash treatment will be the next phase.
    It is a very costly and labor consuming business, and a big part of it is hard physical work that hardly can be substituted with female labor. No woman can handle a 1000l trash can.
    With no effective and working street cleaning and trash management, the city will be flooded with garbage in less than 2-3 weeks.
    As it is not a major problem in winter, it will start to be one as soon as there will be no minus deg outside.
    This garbage will simply melt and decompose.
    I was in Milan years ago when municipality workers went on strike and they were not dealing with garbage. The smell was just killing you, and the rats out there were bigger than usually cats are.
    Diseases will follow, and there is inevitable migration on the horizon.

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    Post  Arrow Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:43 am


    Laughing Laughing
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:07 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Couldn't happen to a more deserving city

    Is it coming up out of the sewers or is that a judgement?
    Both, but it is out of the sewers, all that flooding in the photo is laden with sewage.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:36 am

    I think that there is around another 200k in the UK.

    EU hosts 4.27 million Ukrainian refugees - Eurostat.

    The largest number of Ukrainians in:

    Germany - 1,235,960 (28.9 per cent);
    Poland - 955 110 (22.3 per cent)
    Czech Republic - 369 330 (8.6 per cent).

    In fact, this is only half the truth. Most Ukrainians have fled to Russia. And there are 5.3 million of them!


    @ukraine_watch

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:39 am

    Real desperation. It looks like the strikes hit the right factories.

    Ukraine's Minister of Digital Transformation, Mikhail Fedorov, has urged Ukrainians to assemble FPV drones for the Armed Forces of Ukraine at home. Authorities in Kiev believe this will kick-start the mass production of drones.

    The minister advised Ukrainians to undergo free training and assemble drones themselves. According to him, production is now developing, and while companies are gaining momentum, citizens "can personally lead Ukraine to victory, even on the home front". He spoke of one such initiative, the People's Drone project, which involves building 7-inch FPV drones at home.

    While the Ukrainian government steals foreign aid, citizens are encouraged to build drones at home. To each his own.


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    Post  Hole Sun Jan 14, 2024 12:18 pm

    the west will not let them collapse.
    If something collapses you can do nothing against it.

    MSM has gone beyond yellow journalism to outright garish and stupid propaganda.
    They´ve done it for decades. But they are getting stupider and lazier from month to month.
    They believe all people are dumb enough to believe them anyway.

    To Arrow: Pic from Wisconsin? lol1

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 14, 2024 1:59 pm

    Arrow wrote:
     Laughing  Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 14, 2024 2:42 pm

    Ignore the NK stuff.

    This is a World 'Leader' who clearly believes that a hammer is the answer to every problem. Only he can't even use a hammer (nice one btw) properly. Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Sun Jan 14, 2024 4:22 pm

    JohninMK wrote:I think that there is around another 200k in the UK.

    EU hosts 4.27 million Ukrainian refugees - Eurostat.

    The largest number of Ukrainians in:

    Germany - 1,235,960 (28.9 per cent);
    Poland - 955 110 (22.3 per cent)
    Czech Republic - 369 330 (8.6 per cent).

    In fact, this is only half the truth. Most Ukrainians have fled to Russia. And there are 5.3 million of them!


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    Have you seen any Ukrainians in England?

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