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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:58 am

    Right.. Believe that
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:58 am

    Maybe he takes them for Ukrs Laughing Laughing

    GarryB wrote:
    Isn't the irony delicious though... the amazing support Kiev has gotten from the US and the EU and the west in general to help them with their future is killing their population and reducing the amount of land they will have access to moving forward.
    Ukraine supporters want this conflict to go on forever now they realise they can't win, which essentially means no more Ukraine will be left.
    Those who support Russia and Putin like myself suggest they should have surrendered in 2014 and they might still have the Crimea and all their other territory.
    I would prefer they surrendered long ago but love the irony that because they didn't the people of Crimea and Donbass and Lugansk and their two other regions are going to get their freedom and a decent future now as part of the Russian Federation.
    What is Kiev going to get... well two more super powers... three if you count them all together as the collective west, US, and EU... to blame all their problems on...
    And it is ironic because this conflict is actually managing to kill more Ukrainians than any famine ever did and it is pretty clear the west is the main cause again.

    The case with Crimea is, that it shouldn't have been a part of Ukraine since 1991.
    It was clearly expressed by the referendum of the Crimeans. The majority voting for autonomy back then was overwhelming, like 95+%
    As I said once, the real cause of this problem is because of the western meddling and mouths full of shit.
    Dissolution of the SU was a great thing to happen, but only as long as the republics were being cut off from the Soviet state.
    As soon as smaller nations were trying to gain autonomy, the whole process ceased to be accepted by the western rulers.
    Because all those smaller nations would have sought Russia's assistance and protection from their used-to-be rulers. Joining the Russian Federation as subjects, would mean it's strengthening.
    Both Crimea and Sevastopol have been Russian and never ceased to be, in the same way as northern Kazakhstan is principally Russia.
    It is another Pandora's box that will be opened soon.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:22 am

    The ironic thing was that Kazakhstan was the last nation to leave the soviet union.

    Anyway, it will need to be solved eventually, but I hope the problems will not start before the situation in southwestern Russia (currently called Ukraine) is solved.

    Apart from the north of Kazakhstan, the rest is mainly desert anyways (except tbe big cities in the south).
    Furthermore maybe a russian control could help revert the natural disaster and the ruin of the Aral sea.

    Furthermore Kazakhstan is fundamental in the high speed corridor between European Russia and China.

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    Post  Hole Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:54 am

    Any other sources? Wtf.
    He made a joke.

    none of that has happened
    Who is your source for that? The Economist?
    Producing thousands of armored vehicles and millions of artillery shells
    is clearly no sign for a build up. Rolling Eyes

    Kazakhstan,
    Well, Putin talked about "traditional russian lands".
    The only difference between Yakutia and Kazakhstan is that some
    "communist" dudes declared the one part of the RSFSR while the
    other became a "independent" member of the SU.

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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:14 pm

    Yugoslavia, USSR, the rest of the planet: ethnic nationalism is a serious disease. Ukria is swirling the toilet bowl because of it.

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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:19 pm


    ✊ A warm welcome for @ScottRitter in Grozny. Video published by Ramzan Kadyrov (https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/4336).

    According to RIA Novosti (https://ria.ru/20240105/sanktsii-1919834275.html), the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, has proposed to the United States to lift sanctions on his relatives in exchange for Ukrainian prisoners.

    He allegedly handed over the list of prisoners to Scott.


    Ugggh Ramzan. There's a high probability that the US will agree to some deal and then put the sanctions back on the next day. This will not work and isn't worth trying. Change their names. Get fake passports for them. What sanctions are a problem anyway ? Use bitcoin
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:24 pm

    Russia already has all these forces in place in Valuyki and Shebekino

    Remember that those villages are where bases with equipment were built during 2022, and Valuyki itself is the headquarters of the 20th Combined Arms Army

    That itself is less than 20km from Kupyansk

    So you understand -

    And also, Ukro media has been talking about a force buildup outside of Kharkov since September of last year

    But no western media has reported on it

    That's because the west is done for the most part with Ukraine - if you read simplicius blog he also goes over it, basically the CIA and the state department have disavowed themselves from being responsible for what Ukraine does

    Ukraine is a mad dog off the leash that noone wants to help,  Poland doesn't want to help Ukria and neither the USA, which still have some PDA funds and does not give them to Ukraine

    The reality is the Ukraine project is done - over

    Ukraine will not receive anymore support, nor are its forces capable of going on the offensive anymore

    Even if they draft men, they will never have the equipment to do so again,

    No, Ukraine will remain in a defensive posture for the rest of the war, as Zaluzhny has shown, there simply is not enough quantity of artillery, tanks, armored vehicles, and other necessary items for conduct of offensive operations

    So it is just a question of putting the dog down, but as we know, Putin would rather wait to do it by his own time

    But precisely for the reasons that the CIA and State Department are not helping Ukraine, it has gone off the leash with the murder of Ilya Kiva, numerous attacks in Moscow, numerous strikes on Belgorod, Crimea, not listening to western generals during the counteroffensive, and generally just doing things like hitting Poland and blaming Russia

    That proved why noone is willing to risk their own statehood or lives to help this rabid dog called Ukraine

    That's why Duda called Ukria a drowning man which would bring down everyone else

    Case in point, the game is over, and all we are waiting for is Putin to greenlight the stampede

    I think we will see it Greenlit much earlier, as SBU has told the CIA to **** itself - it will attempt assassination of a high ranking Russian official, and combined with it's other planned strikes on Russian civilians, this will force Putin to end the soap opera early

    And push the Ukros back from belgorod and Crimea

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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:42 pm

    Russia should shut down GPS in the field if they can. FPV drones are a bigger benifit to ukrain right now than they are to Russia.
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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:44 pm

    Kadyrov is obviously trolling. He is not an idiot who thinks that the US would honour any deal.

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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:45 pm

    Backman wrote:Russia should shut down GPS in the field if they can. FPV drones are a bigger benifit to ukrain right now than they are to Russia.

    It's not only GPS but StarLink. What makes you think that Russia is not deploying any EW measures?

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    Post  Hole Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:54 pm

    FPV drones are a bigger benifit to ukrain right now than they are to Russia.
    No

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    Post  par far Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:18 pm

    Good discussion on the SMO in Ukraine.







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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:22 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:The ironic thing was that Kazakhstan was the last nation to leave the soviet union.

    Anyway, it will need to be solved eventually, but I hope the problems will not start before the situation in southwestern Russia (currently called Ukraine) is solved.

    Apart from the north of Kazakhstan, the rest is mainly desert anyways (except tbe big cities in the south).
    Furthermore maybe a russian control could help revert the natural disaster and the ruin of the Aral sea.

    Furthermore Kazakhstan is fundamental in the high speed corridor between European Russia and China.

    Still lots of space to build biolabs. Lots of people to completely brainwash into taking up arms against Russia. Space to build US air bases and 1000 employee embassies. 

    The president will just cancel the high speed corridor. That's what he's there for. He's there to ruin his country and his neighborhood.
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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:26 pm

    Hole wrote:
    FPV drones are a bigger benifit to ukrain right now than they are to Russia.
    No
    FPVs are the only thing ukraine has going for it right now is what i mean. I didn't mean that they had better or more FPVs than Russia. No. Not at all. 

    That's why Russia struck the Luch plant. 

    If all FPVs were neutralized, it would effect Ukraine more than it would Russia. Do you get my drift ?

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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:29 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Backman wrote:Russia should shut down GPS in the field if they can. FPV drones are a bigger benifit to ukrain right now than they are to Russia.

    It's not only GPS but StarLink.   What makes you think that Russia is not deploying any EW measures?

    I'm not staying they are deploying none.

    But I read on telegram somewhere that Russia could deploy heavier duty EW but that would also ground Russian FPVs. What I am saying is , maybe that's a worthwhile trade off.

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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:51 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:If the Russians are going to start a new major offensive you would see signs of build up in terms of support materials and what not, none of that has happened

    That's not what the weapons procurement numbers would indicate. I don't expect a big offensive either.

    But Russia didn't ramp up production of tanks to fight indefinitely like this. Hundreds of tanks and aircraft aren't needed to fight at the current pace. They aren't building all this stuff to pile into warehouses. Sometime in the next 2 years , there's most likely going to be a real offensive.

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    Post  Isos Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:55 pm

    Hard to see with all the western media trying to sell the idea that russians are loosing, russian media having no right to show such large movement and russian population not sharing that much on twitter on troop movement.

    Few days ago Zaluzhnyi said they mobilized 400k troops to the special operation for exemple.

    Intel about russian numbers and positions is quite low since the begining. No one really has a good view of it.
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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:03 pm

    There should be an offensive instead. And this is to protect Belgorod.
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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:37 pm

    If NATzO's masters in Washington supply long range missiles to Kiev, then Russia needs to supply Iran with some nice missile systems
    to react to attacking US carrier groups. Obummer backed off attacking Syria (Libya style) in 2013 after Russia sent over some
    warships and probably backroom warnings. Russia needs to counteract the current effort to launch a war on Iran.

    These chutzpah monkeys are so smart that they are stupid. Lying about NK missiles in Ukria is not going to result in a cunning move
    to help Ukria win and can cost the US dearly in the case of Iran.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:44 pm

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:There should be an offensive instead. And this is to protect Belgorod.
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    More likely they will go to Kupyansk from Valuyki

    They are just attacking Kupyansk from one direction, which is stupid and costs lives

    They should approach Kupyansk from the north as well

    But there's no way they'd head to Kharkov,  the outer ring road is a death sentence until Slavyansk is captured
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    Post  Arrow Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:03 pm

    But there's no way they'd head to Kharkov, the outer ring road is a death sentence until Slavyansk is captured wrote:

    Slavansk they will get it next year or in 2026.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:03 am

    Edited: I was late to posting video

    Good video.  They make a point in how convenient this so called NK missile claim is.


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    Post  mnztr Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:14 am

    Some interesting data on ammo cost in the West. Turns out even if gepard takes out an FPV drone with a single round, that round STILL costs more then the drone lol


    https://twitter.com/pati_marins64/status/1743141765597573413

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:34 am

    Right.. Believe that

    Western intel does not have a good record of predicting things... has anything changed recently that might improve their performance?

    Have they had a purge of morons?


    The case with Crimea is, that it shouldn't have been a part of Ukraine since 1991.

    I totally agree, and it seems the people of the Crimea think that which is vastly more important than any view I might hold on the subject.

    The only people upset are those in Kiev and the west and they way they have murdered people these last 10 years (10 years for Kiev... 300 years for the west) who cares what they think.

    Ugggh Ramzan. There's a high probability that the US will agree to some deal and then put the sanctions back on the next day. This will not work and isn't worth trying. Change their names. Get fake passports for them. What sanctions are a problem anyway ? Use bitcoin

    He has already admitted he was trolling and he knows the Americans can't be trusted... just like when Sweden enters HATO they will reverse all the things they had to do for Turkey to get their support...

    Intel about russian numbers and positions is quite low since the begining. No one really has a good view of it.

    It is more valuable for Russia to remain quiet on such things because offensives actually work better if they are a surprise.

    If NATzO's masters in Washington supply long range missiles to Kiev, then Russia needs to supply Iran with some nice missile systems
    to react to attacking US carrier groups.

    Supplying long range missiles just justifies Russia hammering all goods being transported into the Ukraine from the EU, because the best way to defeat any missile is to hit it on the ground before it has been launched.

    Taking out trucks and train engines would be part of this to reduce transport of weapons and ammo to Kievs forces.

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