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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:44 am

    Good summary of the strikes on Kiev.
    Geolocation on the city map with vids and pics confirming hits.

    https://t.me/SIL0VIKI/80731

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    1. Artem factory and missile warehouse
    2. concrete factory where either AD systems were located, or rockets stock
    3-5. Mayak plant and warehouses
    6. Luch and Artem factory
    7. Kvazar factory
    8. Radioizmenitel plant
    9. Textile plant that fabricated uniforms

    Colliding that with regime propaganda about 120% interception rates is hilarious.

    Latest news, on night 150 blockposts have been settled in Kiev for hunting F-16 pilots and M1 commanders. City is called "occupied" by the locals, and sadly not occupied by Russkie but "Zelensky thugs" Laughing

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    Post  pavi Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:38 am

    Backman wrote:Russia should shut down GPS in the field if they can. FPV drones are a bigger benifit to ukrain right now than they are to Russia.

    Russia's recon fire complex is very dependent on drone surveillance. If you jam it completely, you don't have artillery fire correction data. You become blind and you need to relay human int to correct fire. Frequency bands for controlling drones are not accidentally identical on both sides either. Those frequency bands are always compromise between controlling range, out of line sight performance, data transfer capacity, weather attenuation, etc. Therefore, jamming must be very well localised to protect your own troops while still admitting communications other areas.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:12 am

    pavi wrote:Russia's recon fire complex is very dependent on drone surveillance. If you jam it completely, you don't have artillery fire correction data. You become blind and you need to relay human int to correct fire. Frequency bands for controlling drones are not accidentally identical on both sides either. Those frequency bands are always compromise between controlling range, out of line sight performance, data transfer capacity, weather attenuation, etc. Therefore, jamming must be very well localised to protect your own troops while still admitting communications other areas.
    Russian drones should just operate with Russian military GLONASS signals. And GPS should just be jammed to death.

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    Post  Arrow Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:15 am

    The West is also trying to jam GLONASS. Russia has a powerful ECM, interesting that they will not completely turn off GPS in Ukraine?
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:25 am

    ALAMO wrote:Good summary of the strikes on Kiev.
    Geolocation on the city map with vids and pics confirming hits.

    https://t.me/SIL0VIKI/80731


    The numbers are impossible to read even when seen at max size on my 24" screen cry
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:27 am

    lancelot wrote:
    pavi wrote:Russia's recon fire complex is very dependent on drone surveillance. If you jam it completely, you don't have artillery fire correction data. You become blind and you need to relay human int to correct fire. Frequency bands for controlling drones are not accidentally identical on both sides either. Those frequency bands are always compromise between controlling range, out of line sight performance, data transfer capacity, weather attenuation, etc. Therefore, jamming must be very well localised to protect your own troops while still admitting communications other areas.
    Russian drones should just operate with Russian military GLONASS signals. And GPS should just be jammed to death.

    I assume that many drones use Chinese chipsets that are only GPS.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:43 am

    Most commercial navigation systems use GLONASS and GPS and the Beidou (chinese system) for accuracy.

    Civilian signals have reduced accuracy compared with military signals but using both systems tends to give very good accuracy anyway.

    Most western GPS systems use Navstar and GLONASS signals for improved performance.
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    Post  Hole Sun Jan 07, 2024 8:01 am

    concrete factory
    Judging by the effectiveness (or better lack of) of western AD systems
    it would be a better strategy to pour a lot of concrete on top of possible
    targets. lol1

    Zalushny: I can´t breathe! lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 07, 2024 8:22 am

    JohninMK wrote:

    The numbers are impossible to read even when seen at max size on my 24" screen cry

    Maybe an investment in glasses would do better rather than in bigger screen bro Very Happy Wink

    Clockwise, starting from 1 in left down corner, 5, 2, 3, 6 and 4 in the center of a map welcome

    Edit : there is increasing whining among ukrs that the supply of 122 mm ammunition is almost fully drained.
    The same applies to 152 mm, which makes them hang on solely NATO guns.
    Another piece of news is, nobody is capable of repairing the Leopards.
    This is something I was telling you about months ago.
    KMW can't supply the spare parts needed to repair battle damages, unlike usual wear and tear.
    Those are different parts in most of the cases, and nobody has them stocked in the required numbers. The only practical solution would be cannibalization, but that will practically exhaust ukro armor in a matter of months.
    What is being rumored no, is the massive deployment of Leopard 1, because there is nothing more left at disposal.
    A fate of 8mm top covered "tank" at FPV heavy battlefield is crystal clear ...

    Edit 2 :
    Never saw that before. What seems to be a vid of ukro attack of Nov 3rd 2023 that damaged 22800 corvette Askold.



    What is extremely interesting is the fact, that it looks like both Storm Shados ... missed an anchored ship.

    Damages inflicted were serious, but not critical.

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    What is interesting, is the background of the whole story which makes the ukro chest beating even more hilarious.

    It turned out, that a whole thing is a bogus.
    The legitimate target of this attack was the Crimean Bridge, not the ship or shipyard.
    It was carried by four Su-24 releasing 8 Storm Shadows, with simultaneously released HARMS, MALDs and Neptunes.
    According to available data, practically ALL missiles have been shot down.
    Six SS were downed by S-400 over Azov Sea, while the remaining two were by Pantsirs that covered approaches to the bridge itself.
    One of them fell on the shipyard, the other into the sea making no harm.
    Damages to both ship and the yard are accidental only.


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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:30 am

    A fate of 8mm top covered "tank" at FPV heavy battlefield is crystal clear ...

    Not just that but even submunition rounds for gun and tube artillery... even the standard HE Frag rounds would be a problem for 8mm armour... that is BRDM-2 levels of protection...

    The top attack anti armour munitions would cut through like a hot knife through butter...

    Very good of the US to so openly cross that Rubicon and make them acceptable for this battlefield.

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    Post  Backman Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:46 am

    lancelot wrote:
    pavi wrote:Russia's recon fire complex is very dependent on drone surveillance. If you jam it completely, you don't have artillery fire correction data. You become blind and you need to relay human int to correct fire. Frequency bands for controlling drones are not accidentally identical on both sides either. Those frequency bands are always compromise between controlling range, out of line sight performance, data transfer capacity, weather attenuation, etc. Therefore, jamming must be very well localised to protect your own troops while still admitting communications other areas.
    Russian drones should just operate with Russian military GLONASS signals. And GPS should just be jammed to death.
    I agree with that in principle but GLONASS is deregulated and open to everyone too. Ukraine and the US probably use it all the time. 

    I guess localizing jamming is the only answer.

    Again , not if you think you'll profit more from wiping all GPS and Glonass off the board. Which i think Russia would. But maybe not enough yet to make it worth it.
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    Post  Backman Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:10 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    lancelot wrote:
    s. And GPS should just be jammed to death.

    I assume that many drones use Chinese chipsets that are only GPS.

    Considering iphones and Samsung's are set up to use both as needed , I'd imagine drone's would use them both too
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    Post  Hole Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:17 am

    A fate of 8mm top covered "tank" at FPV heavy battlefield is crystal clear ...
    Back in the 60´s that was acceptable.
    At least in NATO.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:06 pm

    Hole wrote:
    At least in NATO.

    Face the superb western technology, baby!
    Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:09 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    At least in NATO.

    Face the superb western technology, baby!
    Laughing

    Sounds better as 'the superb German tank technology' given the glories of their past tank technology. They knew what to do, or at least their fathers did.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:35 pm

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    Sounds better as 'the superb German tank technology' given the glories of their past tank technology. They knew what to do, or at least their fathers did.

    I guess that lyle6 or lancelot put that crystal clear in one of the tank threads.
    Western tank design is so fuked up because it is based on the designs that have lost a war.
    I totally agree, that if one would be in a position to ask someone to build a tank - get a Caterpillar involved!
    No wanking about Wunderwaffles makes any sense, if those can't arrive at the frontline.
    Soviets ended up WWII with a heavy tank having an armor of bloody 250mm of physical thickness, bypassing 400 mm LOS.
    Koenig Tiger's thickest part was 185 mm, having the armor arrangement making it about 220 - slightly 2x less than IS.
    Being 20+ TONS HEAVIER Laughing Laughing Laughing
    All the disputes and arguments should be based on common and principal facts - and what will follow is just a logical extrapolation.
    Most of the sofa warriors who do, lack the base.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:24 pm

    So, only spare parts available and the general design supports peacetime use and against inferior forces. Who were everyone but them in their eyes. Ukraine must be a horrible shock to the many in the military who see reality on their classified screens rather than the PR everyone else sees.

    The UK is getting the Germans to update its Challenger 2 by fitting a Leopard turret and smoothbore gun (over the next few years) turning it into a Challenger 3. Compounding the problem NATO faces.

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    A German commission, which visited a repair center in Lithuania for German tanks, was unpleasantly surprised by the number of equipment that failed due to internal defects," the media write.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:36 pm

    Does the way that this tank is cooking off look as if there is little main gun ammo in it?

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    Post  mnztr Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:08 pm

    Interesting list of projects from this Russian drone bureau. As i predicted a drone mother ship is in the works

    https://www.rt.com/russia/589889-uav-russian-drone-developer/

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:27 pm

    JohninMK wrote:So, only spare parts available and the general design supports peacetime use and against inferior forces. Who were everyone but them in their eyes. Ukraine must be a horrible shock to the many in the military who see reality on their classified screens rather than the PR everyone else sees.

    Nobody considered the scale and intensity of the conflict.
    In peacetime, tank wheels are not being damaged.
    Rubber coating does.
    So the warehouses do have some stock of rubber parts, to be applied on tracks or wheels - but not the track chains, links, bars, wheels!
    Those are solid steel made, so won't wear as long as you keep the servicing schedule, right?!?
    But here comes a 152mm cal singing "screw your schedule!" Laughing
    Imagine - APUs. Not sure what would be an English acronym for "alternativnaya prudova ustanovka"?. Additional power unit? So APU, the same? Helkp me folks.
    How many electric generators are being catastrophically destroyed in a peacetime?
    And now ... drones are targeting them by purpose - lightly armored sponsone that can be destroyed by any means.
    You just don't have those stored after 30 years.
    Maybe some. A few.

    JohninMK wrote:
    The UK is getting the Germans to update its Challenger 2 by fitting a Leopard turret and smoothbore gun (over the next few years) turning it into a Challenger 3. Compounding the problem NATO faces.

    I will tell you a secrete Laughing
    Poland is, or used to be, - objectively - one of the heavy gear hubs of Europe.
    We produced the last tanks on this continent. Produced, not refurbished.
    We used to have an entire R&D hub to support that.
    Wola tank plant had a whole line for engines production, that blew my mind off when visited.
    Technical solutions to make it more easy, serial, cost effective - was a killer!
    We have made our own ceramic for armor packages, all of them.
    Balls, stars, triangles, plates ...
    Reactive armor.
    Top-notch metallurgy for rolled steel hardened plates.
    But we are done as well.

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    Post  mnztr Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:36 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Right.. Believe that

    Western intel does not have a good record of predicting things... has anything changed recently that might improve their performance?

    Have they had a purge of morons?


    The case with Crimea is, that it shouldn't have been a part of Ukraine since 1991.

    I totally agree, and it seems the people of the Crimea think that which is vastly more important than any view I might hold on the subject.

    The only people upset are those in Kiev and the west and they way they have murdered people these last 10 years (10 years for Kiev... 300 years for the west) who cares what they think.

    Ugggh Ramzan. There's a high probability that the US will agree to some deal and then put the sanctions back on the next day. This will not work and isn't worth trying. Change their names. Get fake passports for them. What sanctions are a problem anyway ? Use bitcoin

    He has already admitted he was trolling and he knows the Americans can't be trusted... just like when Sweden enters HATO they will reverse all the things they had to do for Turkey to get their support...

    Intel about russian numbers and positions is quite low since the begining. No one really has a good view of it.

    It is more valuable for Russia to remain quiet on such things because offensives actually work better if they are a surprise.

    If NATzO's masters in Washington supply long range missiles to Kiev, then Russia needs to supply Iran with some nice missile systems
    to react to attacking US carrier groups.

    Supplying long range missiles just justifies Russia hammering all goods being transported into the Ukraine from the EU, because the best way to defeat any missile is to hit it on the ground before it has been launched.

    Taking out trucks and train engines would be part of this to reduce transport of weapons and ammo to Kievs forces.


    Why have they not done this in yhe past year. They gonna wait until st basils is hit?
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    Post  lancelot Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:53 pm

    APU = Auxiliary Power Unit.

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    Post  Hole Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:51 pm

    Koenig Tiger's thickest part was 185 mm, having the armor arrangement making it about 220 - slightly 2x less than IS.
    That´s why Mustach man wanted the Maus. lol1

    Challenger 2 by fitting a Leopard turret and smoothbore gun
    Add the gas turbine of the M1 and we have a Frankenstein monster.

    But we are done as well.
    How much money are polish politicians receiving from SK for all the contracts? scratch

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