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    Post  Hole Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:52 pm

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    Quite big.
    I mean the wings, not the woman.

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    Post  mnztr Sun Jan 07, 2024 10:19 pm

    If ukraine is setting up checkpoints in kiev russia should send drone equipped special forces to attack them. That would be popular with many in ukraine and would make it much harder to recruit conscription thugs. I bet its gonna be hard to recruit factory workers after the recent strikes
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:12 am

    Ukraine has come up with a new design for multi person coffins. Perfect for those locations where Russian artillery caused trench cave-in.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:18 am

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    Further proof of how Ukraine keeps its planes from being destroyed, taking them up into the air during any air raid alarm. Didn't work this time, apparently:

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:20 am

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    Despite the fact that the Christmas ceasefire was not declared, the parties tried to reduce the activity of hostilities.
    During the hostilities, Ukraine used Abrams for the first time in the Kupyansk direction. Very soon this tank will be destroyed too.

    SnowStorm | The Wild Hunt For The Abrams Tank Has Officially Begun | Military Summary For 2024.01.07

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:29 am

    Russian upgraded T-80BVM tanks have demonstrated their superiority over German Leopard tanks in the special operations zone in Ukraine, according to Military Watch magazine.

    "The T-80's gas turbine engine <...> gives it a serious advantage in cross-country capability over both other classes of Russian tanks and all Western tanks," the publication said.

    The tanks of NATO countries, especially the German Leopard, have shown their inadequacy in heavy weather conditions in the special operations zone, sinking in mud, the newspaper said.

    "Although the Leopard1 has long been considered obsolete, the modern Leopard 2 tanks, which are available in smaller numbers, have also suffered heavy losses and had serious difficulties with the local terrain," the article stresses.

    It notes that only the US M1 Abrams tank also has a gas turbine engine, but it has much less power than the Russian T-80.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:34 am

    Infrastructure breaking down. Just the start.

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    Shit happens also in Kiev

    🇺🇦 In Kyiv, a sewerage system burst on Borshchagovka clown

    Fetid sewage flooded the street and cars. Currently the air temperature in Kyiv is 11 degrees below zero.

    Let us note that the Russian Armed Forces did not strike Kyiv today. Il Russo reports

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:39 am

    Our soldiers report from the direction of Kherson:

    Something is really happening in Kherson.The Ukrainian armed forces are forcibly resettling people.We have been conducting targeted attacks against the city and surrounding areas every day for the past few weeks.We have taken out air defense systems and equipment in the city and destroyed enemy air defense and air defense systems in the region.This does not seem like a distraction.

    Right now Russian aerospace forces and Iskander are operating in Kherson.They fly strong and powerful. - il Russo reports

    Very heavy shelling of the Kharkov region, very. There has not been such an intensity of strikes since the very beginning of the Northern Military District.

    Our army will use all available weapons for a reason, soon something will become clear.
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    ❗ The Ukrainian channel "Legitimny" comments on our strikes and its air defense this evening:

    Kamikaze drones in the Odessa region. We walked the entire southern route very freely. Now a new additional group is flying across the sea. Most likely, there will be other groups in other directions.

    Strikes, presumably by Iskander, on Kharkov. According to our information, the headquarters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was attacked.

    Also, now drones are hitting the near rear of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near the LBC (line of combat contact).

    Bankova seems to have banned the use of air defense missiles on attempts to shoot down kamikaze UAVs. They began to terribly economize on air defense missiles.❗

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:03 am


    Why have they not done this in yhe past year. They gonna wait until st basils is hit?

    It would be an extreme measure that should be held for a serious escalation... when it is confirmed that the west is supplying longer ranged missiles then the cries about the human catastrophe in the Ukraine can be silenced with the abuse of the new systems by the Kiev side in attacking civilian targets they can reach as opposed to the military targets they want to hit but can't get through to with their super weapons.

    If ukraine is setting up checkpoints in kiev russia should send drone equipped special forces to attack them. That would be popular with many in ukraine and would make it much harder to recruit conscription thugs. I bet its gonna be hard to recruit factory workers after the recent strikes

    Good idea...

    It notes that only the US M1 Abrams tank also has a gas turbine engine, but it has much less power than the Russian T-80.

    The T-80s have 1,250hp don't they? The Abrams has 1,500hp? But of course the Abrams is close to double the weight of the Russian tank...

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:05 am

    1000, 1150 and 1250, depending on a type. The latest Has a boost for 1400hp that can be sustained for up to 6 min.

    And I guess that it is a case of translation issue and the original text was about power ratio, not power per se.


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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:09 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:The ironic thing was that Kazakhstan was the last nation to leave the soviet union.

    Anyway, it will need to be solved eventually, but I hope the problems will not start before the situation in southwestern Russia (currently called Ukraine) is solved.

    Apart from the north of Kazakhstan, the rest is mainly desert anyways (except tbe big cities in the south).
    Furthermore maybe a russian control could help revert the natural disaster and the ruin of the Aral sea.

    Furthermore Kazakhstan is fundamental in the high speed corridor between European Russia and China.

    I have been to the Aral Sea (have pics if U want to see them) it wouldn't matter what Kazakhstan does, Uzbekistan doesn't want to save it they want it dry because right now they are busy looking for oil on what was the sea bed, sad really but they believe the sea will be gone completely within 10 years. I stood at a former port the sea is now over 93km+ away now

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:15 am

    It's another disco night all over 404. Everything goes, Kinzhals included.

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    Post  Mir Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:59 am

    JohninMK wrote:Ukraine has come up with a new design for multi person coffins. Perfect for those locations where Russian artillery caused trench cave-in.

    I saw these exact shelters on some doomsday prep documentary years ago. They are manufactured by an American enterprise.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:25 am

    How to sell a prefabricated outdoor cellar for ten times the price? Laughing

    And just for the records :

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/108853

    One might be surprised by the fact that Russkie are targeting multiple moles in this war.
    Well, it is very easy to explain.
    Mole is a big infrastructure object, that has big, sometimes multilevel underground parking lot.
    All the shops located inside, are regularly supplied with goods, which requires logistics slots.
    Last but not least, every single one has a waste storage area assisting the shops.
    So a mole is an efficiently organized warehouse, with hundreds of parking spaces that can be used for hiding and covering vehicles.
    Since the beginning of the war, Ukrs were using them, including run&cover tactics for mobile artillery or SAM systems. The loudest case from the beginning of the conflict, where a whole mole with next by standing office building were obliterated by Iskander, was because of the parking lot being full of Grad launchers and missiles.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:52 am

    JohninMK wrote:Ukraine has come up with a new design for multi person coffins. Perfect for those locations where Russian artillery caused trench cave-in.

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    I guess playing around with an empty soda and know what the weakest part of such an structure in a can is something alien in Ukraine.
    This will collapse on itself as soon a tulip or other heavy artillery gets some direct hits above it. No structural reinforcement internally to prevent that.

    And the doors...will they still be able to open them after some shock deformation?.
    Ventilation, how are going to manage that?. airshaft to the surface?. in this time of RF FPV's everywhere dropping stuff through holes?.

    And good old Ukrainian trenches that are mudpools or up to their knees in water. how are going to manage that from pooling down?.

    what an death-trap. lol1

    Discount Nazi fortification building....., at least Ze Germans used loads of Concrete and Rebar lol1

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:32 am

    It is not that bad.
    Those shelters are made of metal, first of all. 2mm ribbed sheets.

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    This type of construction is known for an age when Germans were using those for armored dots already in the 30s.

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    But the truth is, that for most of the applications, they used a thick concrete cover and steel plates in important points, and a solid steel T bar was used as a strengthening of the construction.

    Ukrs are insulating them with wooden logs if possible, and cover with 1.5m of soil. It should be good enough to withstand a 152mm round. But those are Ukro information, so ...

    Edit :
    Street in Kiev.

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    If any of you wonder what is it, it is shit from the sewage system flowing. And it is minus 11 C now ...

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    Post  Hole Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:51 am

    It should be good enough to withstand a 152mm round.
    No problem. There is no shortage of 250kg bombs in Russia. Very Happy

    what an death-trap.
    Look at the bright side: some company (oligarch) makes a lot of money!

    I stood at a former port the sea is now over 93km+ away now
    Mankind played a role but you can mostly blame the Himalaya for that.
    The rise of the Himalaya blocked the rain coming in from the Indian Ocean.
    Back in the days, one of Alexanders Generals sailed to Afghanistan.
    The Aral Sea was part of the Caspian Sea back then, which was twice as big.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:54 am

    Getting back to work after Christmas Very Happy

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    This morning the Russian Army is launching a massive strike on the territory of Ukraine:
    Missiles were launched from 16 strategic bombers
    Hypersonic "Daggers" launched
    Missile launches are recorded from the Su-35.
    Air raid alert throughout Ukraine
    Explosions in Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Krivoy Rog, Zaporozhye. Many rockets in the air.
    The Russian army is launching a massive missile strike.

    Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:

    in the morning, a strike was carried out with high-precision long-range sea- and air-based weapons, including the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system, on the objects of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine.

    The commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian troops, Valeriy Zaluzhny, announced damage on Monday to military and infrastructure facilities in Ukraine.
    On Monday morning, an air raid alert was announced in Ukraine, which was canceled more than two hours later. Ukrainian media and local authorities reported explosions in Krivoy Rog, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, and Khmelnitsky.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:54 pm

    You have to laugh, the potential PR impact overrides actual military need.

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    American M1 Abrams tanks delivered to Ukraine will not participate in combat operations for the foreseeable future. After one vehicle broke down near Avdejevka in November 2023 – the tank broke down before reaching the front line – the remaining vehicles were evacuated.

    Same with the Challengers, one down the others nowhere to be seen.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:34 pm

    Two down.
    Challengers.
    At least.

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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:10 pm

    It's not like they gave tens of them. IMO they sent those 2 to test them there and there is no other left in Ukraine.
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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:12 pm

    Eventually, it does not matter if it's M1's, Challenger's or Leo 2's.

    They where all hyped up wunderwaffe by the West and Kiev.
    But all ended up as iron scrap just like the rest they send on the battlefield.

    Decades of propaganda about their superiority evaporated when the first video's came on the Web of their burning hulks.
    First it is plastered everywhere in the media as "the game changer" But then it disappears into oblivion as it turns out it is mediocre at best.
    Just like the NLAW, The Javelin, Himars, M777, ATACMS, HARMS, and god knows everything else they send towards Ukraine.

    Even the Ukrainians themselves confirmed western weapons are not made for extended conflict.
    or you know?. just stops flat out working.
    Like the NLAW's, it freezes a bit and the battery's died when they intended to use it on those evil ruskies.

    Anyone that has both experience with Western and Russian hardware, knows that the Russian stuff keeps going.
    It's the western stuff that is overpriced, overhyped and stops working without meticulous maintenance.

    The MIC got to be harking in all that sweet, sweet green paper with as little effort as possible.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:27 pm

    They took them away for a reason.
    Not sure if you are noticing a kind of consistency here.
    Muricans are withdrawing every system, that proved to fail, to avoid further humiliation.
    This would affect the business later.
    Such a case was with Saudi Arabia and Patriot's withdrawal when it turned out they can't stop attacks on the oil infrastructure.
    Now we have a repetition - an official statement that they won't supply more missiles for Patriot, which means that the existing stock will be depleted.
    Challengers haven't been used in combat since took a heavy beating, and we could observe a blown off turrets.

    What is the end result? It is European weapon left on the field.
    Air defense was left to Germans. The only tanks that are being used are German ones.
    It will leave the Anglosaxons operational space to claim that they still own Wunderwaffles.

    Endeffect will be hilarious in my opinion.
    Iris, being one of the best systems in its class, can't be even considered as medium ranged at the moment. It's maximal range is sub 40 km, and maximal altitude - 20. And we are talking about extended range SLM version, while the standard missile range is limited to 12 (!!) km and 8 km altitude (!!!!)
    There is not a single chance for it to be able to intercept any type of ballistic, aeroballisitic, or combined trajectory missiles. Even from a point blank range.
    Another part of this story is, that Germany ... does not have this system in its armed forces!
    The ones delivered to Kiev were all painted in desert camo, as were delivered from producers stocks ordered by ... Egypt.
    Bundeswehr still has not signed any contract for them Laughing

    edit : I have remained myself some more cherries ...
    Germans are capable of producing about 2 systems ... a year. As there are no orders wor the German army units, nobody will invest in expanding this cap, and even if - with no fundamental improvement of industrial base the maximum can be double that...
    Russkie has taken down two out of 3 delivered systems, at least partially.
    A single missile for the system - standard one, not SLM version - costs more than 300k euro.
    And considering it's characteristics, in the ongoing conflict the only target it is potentially capable to intercept ... is Geranium.
    We can't even find out that exchange as serious, as every single intercepted drone is already 200x financial effectiveness leverage for Russia Laughing Laughing It would be less expensive to not intercept them, in some cases, as the cost of on ground damages can be smaller than the price of a missile Laughing Laughing Laughing


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    Post  Mir Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:44 pm

    Isos wrote:It's not like they gave tens of them. IMO they sent those 2 to test them there and there is no other left in Ukraine.

    14 was the number mentioned in the UK press.

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    Post  Hole Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:21 pm

    This morning the Russian Army is launching a massive strike on the territory of Ukraine:
    Some reports claim 4 waves, again.
    At least 4 MiG-31s launched Kinzhals.
    Iskanders were fired from Crimea.
    Kharkov, Zaporoshyie, Odessa and Krivoy Rog were hit.

    14 was the number mentioned in the UK press.
    And we all know that tke UK press is one of the most reliable sources out there.
    lol1 lol1 lol1

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