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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:06 pm

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:13 pm

    Finland is still very dependent on Russia on nuclear fuel supplies. Finland is currently actively trying to replace Russian nuclear fuel with western one, but it has not been achieved yet.

    Finland is also extremely hostile to Russia. Currently Finland is increasing its shell production for the sole purpose of supplying all of it to Ukraine. All of our media and politicians spill hate towards Russia.

    This is one thing I find very hard to understand about Russia. Why is Russia still supplying Finland with nuclear fuel? Russia could have - if it chose to do so - inflicted serious damage to Finland by cutting its nuclear fuel supplies.

    If the roles were reversed Finland would do its best to harm Russia in every way it can.

    Make no mistake, Russian behavior is seen as a weakness here.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:03 pm

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    So they have developed tandem rounds for the RPG-16, I always thought it had more potential than the 7.

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    Post  Belisarius Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:03 pm

    Two British Storm Shadow missiles were shot down in the Kherson region.
    Both missiles were shot down near Popovka village (Genicheskiy district).
    There were no casualties or damage.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jan 17, 2024 6:25 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:

    This is one thing I find very hard to understand about Russia. Why is Russia still supplying Finland with nuclear fuel? Russia could have - if it chose to do so - inflicted serious damage to Finland by cutting its nuclear fuel supplies.

    Its called a contract. Russia is as good as its word and that word is HONEST.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Wed Jan 17, 2024 7:24 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Finland is still very dependent on Russia on nuclear fuel supplies. Finland is currently actively trying to replace Russian nuclear fuel with western one, but it has not been achieved yet.

    Finland is also extremely hostile to Russia. Currently Finland is increasing its shell production for the sole purpose of supplying all of it to Ukraine. All of our media and politicians spill hate towards Russia.

    This is one thing I find very hard to understand about Russia. Why is Russia still supplying Finland with nuclear fuel? Russia could have - if it chose to do so - inflicted serious damage to Finland by cutting its nuclear fuel supplies.

    If the roles were reversed Finland would do its best to harm Russia in every way it can.

    Make no mistake, Russian behavior is seen as a weakness here.

    Because the Finns compose metal rock music and that is heard a lot in Russia.
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    Post  DerWolf Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:59 pm

    Yesterday’s Putin statement that the statehood of Ukraine ‘s statehood and today’s Medvedev’s statement, indicate that they plan to absorbe all Ukraine into Russia. Those were tough statement.

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    Post  Firebird Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:54 pm

    The thing is the NATO bloc is so rotten to the core, they would take anything and everything they could.
    If Lvov is only a place that precludeds the Yanks from basing missiles there, it is a place worthwhile for RUssia.
    The Nazi filth will either be in jail, or run to Europe/N America just like 1945. So then Galicia simply becomes land, not an issue of its inhabitants being pro or anti Russian.

    In any case, the place had strong Russia support before the genocide of Russians which happened in the 1940s AND in the 1920s.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:03 am

    DerWolf wrote:Yesterday’s Putin statement that the statehood of Ukraine ‘s statehood and today’s Medvedev’s statement, indicate that they plan to absorbe all Ukraine  into Russia. Those were tough statement.


    I don't see how Russia can achieve its stated goals with any lesss. Even if you leave 1 sqkm it will be a NATO base that threatens Russia. They will have to go in, kill the extreme NAZIs, send the salvable NAZIs to rock breaking camp for 10-15 years. Even then they will need to have a military presence there for pretty much the rest of our lives.

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    Post  kvs Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:28 am

    Absorbing the western Ukr toilet is a bad idea. It is going to be a long term problem. The only "solution" is to ethnically cleanse it but Russia is not
    into this sort of activity. I don't see why this region is so important. Let the NATzO boundary move east by 300 km. It's nowhere as bad
    as having the whole of Ukraine in this aggressive camp. The westernmost zone is economically irrelevant. It has always been this way.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:43 am

    In Kharkov, a blow was struck at the location of foreign mercenaries. Mostly the French were stationed there

    According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, 60 foreign fighters were killed and 20 were hospitalized.

    My sources in the SBU reported that access to the hospital where most of the mercenaries were taken was closed. The identification of corpses is carried out exclusively by representatives of the SBU department in the Kharkov region; their colleagues from the central office have already arrived. The wounded are speaking French.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:51 am

    Decision made. No Taurus for you.

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    Post  TMA1 Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:24 am

    To the guy from Iceland there is a similar attitude over here amongst some Americans. Seeing this kind of stuff as a weakness is legit insanity. It is in fact the opposite. Thr strength of will to fulfill obligations, to try to appeal to the better angels of our nature. Seeing this kind of thing as weakness is disturbing. You would either have to be out of touch with events and see things thru a really shallow, warped lens. That or you have an extreme antisocial traits close to sociopathy.

    I have noticed there is a strange craving for acceptance here in the west particularly amongst millennial to gen z kids. Nafo types are God-awful, embarrassing and insufferable. The key though is they are the type to accept all bizarre and denigrating new norms, will accept extreme austerity. They go to reddit and hate on populist trump supporters and "tankies" (traditional communist types ususlly) while praising fucking Biden and waving rainbow flags and pushing cringe memes clearly made by spooks at langley.

    tl-dr please nuke us now.

    On serious aside: God have mercy on the rest and its institutions.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:04 am

    Wow -  what was in that thing? MaxxPro goes nuclear after Russian drone drop.

    I would guess those white bags in that trailer were propellant bags for 155mm artillery shells and that tiny bomb from the drone set them all off at once...

    This is one thing I find very hard to understand about Russia. Why is Russia still supplying Finland with nuclear fuel? Russia could have - if it chose to do so - inflicted serious damage to Finland by cutting its nuclear fuel supplies.

    They have a contract. Just because you don't like someone you can't just reneg on contracts when it suits you... well you can't if you are an adult.

    The EU and US are children. They make the rules and change the rules to suit themselves... how could that possibly work out bad for Finland or the EU because obviously they will look after you like they are looking after you now with problems with your economies because you can't buy cheap Russian energy... the US is supplying all the energy you need at a good price to help you guys right?

    What... they aren't?

    Russia is already rebuilding the places damaged during their invasion.... contrast and compare to places the west invaded or supported the attack of like Libya and Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria and Yemen.

    The west could not care less about people, they care about the resources... oil, lithium, etc etc... in the case of Finland and Sweden they want bodies and resource they can throw at Russia... Finland has a border that is useful to them and they will use you while you are useful and when you are not you will be discarded...

    Russia is a neighbour and knows bullying neighbours is just counter productive, but if they could talk sense into you they would, but you need to take responsibility too.

    Russia is going to start responding to your hostile actions and I doubt they will be upset when your contracts end and you refuse to sign new contracts... they might be just as uninterested in new contracts as you guys are right now... and who does that hurt more I wonder?

    Still Finland is a democracy so you will have had open and honest discussions and everyone will get a say in the future direction your country is headed...


    Make no mistake, Russian behavior is seen as a weakness here.

    That doesn't matter because you are cutting ties with Russia and therefore wont be able to exploit that perceived weakness. What is more important is that Russians know of your virulent hatred for them now and will just respond accordingly. They can send wood and resources to other places... they are working on their infrastructure and improving their train and road and air networks as well as their ports so most of the trade that used to go west can go east instead.


    So they have developed tandem rounds for the RPG-16, I always thought it had more potential than the 7.

    The RPG-16 rockets didn't stick out the end of the tube so the warheads were 57mm calibre... the same calibre as the tube... the tube of the RPG-7 is 40mm but the warheads could be any calibre as it sticks out the end. The RPG-29 is a 105mm calibre tube with rockets that are enclosed inside the tube.

    An RPG-16 rocket with the warhead sticking out the end of the tube can have much bigger warheads with a larger 57mm rocket propellant core, but an RPG-29 can have a full calibre 105mm rocket so I don't understand why they would go back to the RPG-16?

    Edit: maybe they have more energetic faster burning propellants that could provide a bigger boost to heavier more effective warheads that can reach greater ranges.

    The 40mm rocket motor of the RPG-7 contains a blasting charge to blow the entire rocket out of the tube at about 170m/s and then at about 13-15m distance a sustainer rocket motor lights up and accelerates the rocket and imparts spin to flatten the flight trajectory and get the rocket up to supersonic speeds. A 57mm equivalent version for the larger calibre RPG-16 should be able to carry a much bigger sustainer rocket motor to carry heavier warheads further than the RPG-7 could (because its tube is 40mm calibre instead of the 57mm calibre of the RPG-16).

    But as I point out if you are doing this to the RPG-16 then do it to the RPG-29 instead because its 105mm calibre rocket motor will have even more potential to be more powerful and an enlarged warhead sticking out the front like the 125mm HEAT warhead of the RPG-28 would be a very potent rocket fired from an RPG-29.

    Yesterday’s Putin statement that the statehood of Ukraine ‘s statehood and today’s Medvedev’s statement, indicate that they plan to absorbe all Ukraine into Russia. Those were tough statement.

    They have been saying all along that the longer this conflict takes the less that Kiev will be left with and the worse its deal will become...

    To the guy from Iceland there is a similar attitude over here amongst some Americans. Seeing this kind of stuff as a weakness is legit insanity. It is in fact the opposite. Thr strength of will to fulfill obligations, to try to appeal to the better angels of our nature. Seeing this kind of thing as weakness is disturbing. You would either have to be out of touch with events and see things thru a really shallow, warped lens. That or you have an extreme antisocial traits close to sociopathy.

    The irony is that if it was publicly revealed that the US or UK or French or whatever leader acted in this way the only way they could excuse their actions would be to say they acted in faith in a good christian way and were rejected and given a hostile response.

    In other words we are the civilised people and the barbarians rejected our offer as a weakness... so when relations end we will not be trying to renew them...

    On serious aside: God have mercy on the rest and its institutions.

    It seems the American dream really only works for those asleep at the wheel...

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    Post  marcellogo Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:32 am

    Interesting, RPG-16 was a weapon designed for launching a 57mm rocket at high velocity and precision but given that to obtain such a performance they opted for a closed tube it was impossible to install a larger calibre warhead i.e. the feature that had made the RPG-7 almost  eternal.
    This new version seem to allow it instead as they are showed with thermobaric warheads.

    My two cents is that they are trying to couple the heavier warheads that they use on the RPG-7M with the more energetic propelling section of the RPG-16 so to made them about so much long ranged and precise than the lighter round actually used on the former one.

    Naturally, there is the RPG-29 also with its full caliber 105mm round but I suspect they found the resulting weapon system (i.e. launcher+ rounds) too heavy and cumbersome to be used as a standard squad weapon, so I think they are trying a low cost alternative.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:55 am

    Mercuris made some good points about the a50 today. Sea of azov is shallow and its unlikely such a plane would not leave a large floating debris field. Also the russians do admit major losses. So it possible it did not happen.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:27 am

    The 40mm tube of the RPG-7 limits how heavy and large the warhead can be and as you mention the RPG-29 is huge and long and bulky for one man to operate properly. I dare say dragging that and the ammo through trenches and forests and through rubble means you wont want to pick it as your first weapon.

    The RPG-7 can use 105mm rounds too there is an attachment for the sights to allow super elevation so basically you loft the big heavy rockets into the air and the tiny 40mm rocket motor carries them to 200-300m at best.

    The RPG-16 was interesting but with the rocket warhead inside the tube and therefore limited to 57mm limits its growth potential and also its ability to fire heavy other rounds like thermobaric or fragmentation.

    The RPG-32 seemed to me to be the best solution where it was an optics and grip that you inserted four rocket modules to... two were 72mm and two were 105mm and in each calibre there was an anti armour HEAT warhead and an anti personal and anti soft target thermobaric rocket. Both would clip on to the launcher so you could use it against tanks and strong enemy positions or buildings (105mm) or you could use it against light vehicles and troops in the open (72mm).

    If they designed it well it could also use 125mm HEAT warheads for modern tanks (900mm+ penetration).

    Maybe they are going to extend the RPG-16 ammo to allow oversized warheads taking advantage of the more powerful rocket motor (57mmvs40mm) to carry the same heavy warhead further or carry heavier warheads or both.

    I thought the RPG-32 was clever and matched the new RPO-M which is a gripstock and optics for engineer rockets like RPO-A/D/Z and MRO and LRO rockets of the same family.

    Should be interesting what they come up with.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:12 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦🇫🇷 The Russian Ministry of Defense reported that one of the night high-precision attack in Kharkov occurred at a location where mercenaries from France were quartered. More than 60 people were declared killed and more than 20 wounded were taken to hospitals.

    Source: intel Slava Z

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:47 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:🇷🇺🇺🇦🇫🇷 The Russian Ministry of Defense reported that one of the night high-precision attack in Kharkov occurred at a location where mercenaries from France were quartered. More than 60 people were declared killed and more than 20 wounded were taken to hospitals.

    Source: intel Slava Z

    As per my post 612 above Cool

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:12 pm

    kvs wrote:Absorbing the western Ukr toilet is a bad idea.  It is going to be a long term problem.   The only "solution" is to ethnically cleanse it but Russia is not into this sort of activity.   I don't see why this region is so important.   Let the NATzO boundary move east by 300 km.  It's nowhere as bad
    as having the whole of Ukraine in this aggressive camp.   The westernmost zone is economically irrelevant.   It has always been this way.


    If it continues to exist as an independent country (i.e. western puppet) it will always present security problems for Russia and Bielorussia (and will also prevent direct land connection with Hungary (and through it, to Serbia).

    It will be also used by the west in the same way Ukraine has been used until now.

    Furthermore there are two nuclear powerplants that would be very dangerous to leave in the hands of banderites.

    We have already discussed it many times, there is even a dedicated thread.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:06 pm

    If you don´t take the western parts of Banderaland the US will keep them as proxy.
    A nice cover for further attacks against Russia. Because the West won´t recognise
    the rest of "Ukraine" being part of Russia again. For them missile attacks against
    "Ukrainian" cities by the "Ukrainian" rump state will be fair game.

    Sure, Russia can retaliate all the time but rebuilding damaged stuff over and over again
    for the next decades would be stupid.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Thu Jan 18, 2024 1:59 pm

    Hole wrote:If you don´t take the western parts of Banderaland the US will keep them as proxy.
    A nice cover for further attacks against Russia. Because the West won´t recognise
    the rest of "Ukraine" being part of Russia again. For them missile attacks against
    "Ukrainian" cities by the "Ukrainian" rump state will be fair game.

    Sure, Russia can retaliate all the time but rebuilding damaged stuff over and over again
    for the next decades would be stupid.

    Correct! No Syrian Idleb 2.0 scenario on the borders with Russia from which NATO/USA can send proxy fascists against Russia at any time without being directly responsible for it!

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    Post  RTN Thu Jan 18, 2024 2:22 pm

    GarryB wrote:There is a level of complexity that amateurs like us probably don't understand.
    Long range S-300 surveillance radars (e.g 64N6, 36D6, 79K6, etc) were linked by Ukrainians to a complete Patriot firing unit to provide early warning. The Russian surveillance aircraft even if it had picked up the signature of the surveillance radar thought they are outside the firing range of the S-300 and didn't realize that Patriot has already achieved a target lock on them.
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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Thu Jan 18, 2024 2:43 pm

    RTN wrote:
    GarryB wrote:There is a level of complexity that amateurs like us probably don't understand.
    Long range S-300 surveillance radars (e.g 64N6, 36D6, 79K6, etc) were linked by Ukrainians  to a complete Patriot firing unit to provide early warning. The Russian surveillance aircraft even if it had picked up the signature of the surveillance radar thought they are outside the firing range of the S-300 and didn't realize that Patriot has already achieved a target lock on them.
    We already had pictures of the wreck, there was no A50 going down.

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