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lyle6By Ukrainian defensive tactics, you mean bussing in complete companies of replacements to occupy the trenchlines left vacated by their recently dead comrades (who only arrived days before)? Because all I see is Ukrainian troops getting hammered in their trenches by artillery and FPV drones day in day out and even at evening on overtime. They didn't do anything new like build anti-drone canopies or installed man-portable jammers on their trenches like the Russians are doing.Arkanghelsk wrote:
I agree with what you are saying, however, in Avdeevka, the Russian infantry is not under fire by artillery, aviation, and so on
It is being stifled by FPV swarms
So the overwhelming advantage of Russian fires, is nullified by Ukrainian defensive tactics
They are virtually disappeared - and the Russian infantry cannot surface without coming under immediate hail of FPV
Using jammers in Avdeevka with power to barrage the EM spectrum would degrade ukro signals and deny them the ability to use these FPV
But it would also block out the very same signals that the military is using for its own drones
This is why Putin himself commented on the situation with EW as of yesterday, and basically by using a direct line with troops, and innovative way has been created where the MOD gets tips from above on streamlining procurement of systems
That's why right now there is a scramble to ramp up production of portable jammers - and you are starting to see videos of these new systems popping up everywhere
By improving the survivability of Russian platoons and squads, the potency of their attack becomes much greater as they no longer have to worry about drone swarms
And can focus on tactical nuance of combat
Ultimately that's how Russia wins the war, by being more disciplined, better trained, and just generally better in spite of western ISR systems
In essence, accepting they can see what you are doing but can't do much because they are overmatched on the frontline
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
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On January 2, 2024, a massive Russian air and missile attack took place. Kh-47M missiles destroyed at least two American NASAMS missile positions near Kiev and a large warehouse with Patriot system missiles.
Despite the massive concentration of air defense systems and leading NATO technologies, Russian aviation forces effectively hit Ukrainian Armed Forces targets.
"Ukraine has lost extremely expensive weapons supplied from NATO countries and elements of industrial infrastructure"
Source:
https://myslpolska.info/2024/01/02/ros
"The Russian army attacked Ukraine's advanced military infrastructure." Myśl Polska columnist Krzysztof Podgórski wrote about this on January 2.
As the journalist noted, Western air defense systems supplied to Kiev were powerless against Russian missiles that broke through the air defense umbrella. After which cruise missiles and attack drones flew into the gap formed. The target of the attack was secret factories and locations for the most valuable equipment.
“The Ukrainian side has lost extremely expensive weapons supplied from NATO countries and elements of industrial infrastructure,” Podgursky said.
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A private UAV assembly center of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was destroyed by missile strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces - Ukrainian People's Deputy Lutsenko
“Today a rocket flew into our workshop building, where our specialists work (development of new solutions in the field of UAVs, improvement and modernization, repairs, etc.). We are clarifying the amount of material damage,”
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As a result of the Kinzhal strikes on Kyiv, the Russians managed to inflict significant damage to the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, and also, according to rumors, destroy one of Zaluzhny’s assistants.
At the same time, fierce battles continue on the approaches to Chasiv Yar.
Despite the massive concentration of air defense systems and leading NATO technologies, Russian aviation forces effectively hit Ukrainian Armed Forces targets.
"Ukraine has lost extremely expensive weapons supplied from NATO countries and elements of industrial infrastructure"
Source:
https://myslpolska.info/2024/01/02/ros
"The Russian army attacked Ukraine's advanced military infrastructure." Myśl Polska columnist Krzysztof Podgórski wrote about this on January 2.
As the journalist noted, Western air defense systems supplied to Kiev were powerless against Russian missiles that broke through the air defense umbrella. After which cruise missiles and attack drones flew into the gap formed. The target of the attack was secret factories and locations for the most valuable equipment.
“The Ukrainian side has lost extremely expensive weapons supplied from NATO countries and elements of industrial infrastructure,” Podgursky said.
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A private UAV assembly center of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was destroyed by missile strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces - Ukrainian People's Deputy Lutsenko“Today a rocket flew into our workshop building, where our specialists work (development of new solutions in the field of UAVs, improvement and modernization, repairs, etc.). We are clarifying the amount of material damage,”
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As a result of the Kinzhal strikes on Kyiv, the Russians managed to inflict significant damage to the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, and also, according to rumors, destroy one of Zaluzhny’s assistants.
At the same time, fierce battles continue on the approaches to Chasiv Yar.
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I see that Archie took the wrong pill again, so expect this performance of pussy cries to last until it dissolves in his organism...
How great the situation on the ground is, it is enough to lurk in the Sky News YT section.
Last week, they presented a video made almost 2 years ago.
Of course as the actual one.
It was presenting the mighty Ukro special forces taking a Russian soldier captive.
The only issue was the fact that I watched this film back then, and the guy taken was a 50 y/o republican mobik dressed in a mixed outfit.
Something that was happening indeed at the very beginning, as the Donbas front was defended by mobiks mostly as Russkie lacked the proper amount of infantry. It was heavily exploited by the Ukro DRGs, with tons of materials like that making perfectly no difference to the war effort, but leaving tons of crap for nafo twitter war masturbation.
So we have a clash of the guys with steel helmets versus fully equipped Ukrowehrmacht as it was in Feb/March of 2022.
They need this level of propaganda to present anything because there are more and more reports from the Ukro side that Russians are overwhelming them in everything.
How great the situation on the ground is, it is enough to lurk in the Sky News YT section.
Last week, they presented a video made almost 2 years ago.
Of course as the actual one.
It was presenting the mighty Ukro special forces taking a Russian soldier captive.
The only issue was the fact that I watched this film back then, and the guy taken was a 50 y/o republican mobik dressed in a mixed outfit.
Something that was happening indeed at the very beginning, as the Donbas front was defended by mobiks mostly as Russkie lacked the proper amount of infantry. It was heavily exploited by the Ukro DRGs, with tons of materials like that making perfectly no difference to the war effort, but leaving tons of crap for nafo twitter war masturbation.
So we have a clash of the guys with steel helmets versus fully equipped Ukrowehrmacht as it was in Feb/March of 2022.
They need this level of propaganda to present anything because there are more and more reports from the Ukro side that Russians are overwhelming them in everything.
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Another bites the dust. I hope it was painful
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I usually don't post things like these, but I'm going to make an exception for this murderous ghoul responsible for numerous war crimes, including killing Russian POWs.
The Russian army eliminated the head of the Georgian Legion, Mamuka Mamulashvili, who fought on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and stated that his mercenaries would not take Russian soldiers prisoner.
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No. Thats Lomtadze. Mamuka is alive
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Mamuka is not boinked. He gets himself fat with grift money from the doggos, often in western Ukraine or Poland. He knows he is greenlit and is not stupid enough to be anywhere near the frontlines. Stop spreading this bs about his supposed death.
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I don't think the war criminal and friend of American congress Mamuka Mamulashvili has been killed, as some seem to believe. A few reasons:
1. That doesn't look like him in the photo he tweeted "RIP" with, and his sister's response to it does not seem fitting for the loss of a brother.
2. I have it on good authority he does not go near the front and is too busy pretending he's a celebrity to do much risky fighting.
3. US government propagandists say they have contacted him since he was "killed"
https://radiotavisupleba.ge/a/32758051.html
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I usually don't post things like these, but I'm going to make an exception for this murderous ghoul responsible for numerous war crimes, including killing Russian POWs.
The Russian army eliminated the head of the Georgian Legion, Mamuka Mamulashvili, who fought on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and stated that his mercenaries would not take Russian soldiers prisoner.
Notes of caution
@kamchoot
No. Thats Lomtadze. Mamuka is alive
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Mamuka is not boinked. He gets himself fat with grift money from the doggos, often in western Ukraine or Poland. He knows he is greenlit and is not stupid enough to be anywhere near the frontlines. Stop spreading this bs about his supposed death.
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I don't think the war criminal and friend of American congress Mamuka Mamulashvili has been killed, as some seem to believe. A few reasons:
1. That doesn't look like him in the photo he tweeted "RIP" with, and his sister's response to it does not seem fitting for the loss of a brother.
2. I have it on good authority he does not go near the front and is too busy pretending he's a celebrity to do much risky fighting.
3. US government propagandists say they have contacted him since he was "killed"
https://radiotavisupleba.ge/a/32758051.html
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^^^ I know all georgians look the same, but unfortunately it wasn’t mamuka. Ghosty again has to school ProZ posters who are so quick to jump to conclusions without checking facts. The deqd guy even has a name tag on his uniform.
I mean, they definitely want to turn webcams off as they potentially would save Russian time for damage assessment. Potentially is the keyword, having a webcam on the target is not likely anyway. In all fairness, they are getting hit very hard as their AD is overwhelmed. And this breaks the narrative. Videos like these spread like wildfire. For Russian intelligence it’s absolutely not crucial as you said. Now Russia is doing legal work against Belgorod leakers who filmed positions of air defence and this even more serious. But Belgorod is not Kiev, data is easier to control, while Kiev is full of Russian humit assets, no webcams needed
Heavily damaged, not destroyed. I believe there were two hits. You don’t want M31 on your toe, it might break it, doesn’t mean it can’t heal. Hopefully we will see it back in action. Anyways, only pro-ukr side think that there are indestructible equipment and unkillable soldiers, losses happen, but who had bette chance to fix or replace them?
kvs wrote:In his latest video, Mercouris speculates that the Kiev regime could be turning off internet (and power) in Kiev and elsewhere to control information
flow to the Russians about the amount of damage that is being done. This is fully consistent with the Kiev regime policy of suppressing any
civilian recording of damage. It also reflects the utter delusion of the Kiev regime and its NATzO handlers about the state of Russian intelligence
gathering ability. These retarded clowns really think that Russia is desperate for some cell phone videos to evaluate the impact of its air strikes.
Russia lacks satellites like it lacks washing machines and toilet bowls. These retarded f*cks need to be beaten down simply for having such
opinions.
I mean, they definitely want to turn webcams off as they potentially would save Russian time for damage assessment. Potentially is the keyword, having a webcam on the target is not likely anyway. In all fairness, they are getting hit very hard as their AD is overwhelmed. And this breaks the narrative. Videos like these spread like wildfire. For Russian intelligence it’s absolutely not crucial as you said. Now Russia is doing legal work against Belgorod leakers who filmed positions of air defence and this even more serious. But Belgorod is not Kiev, data is easier to control, while Kiev is full of Russian humit assets, no webcams needed
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Dunno, looks as destroyed as my toe when hitting the bed frame..
Heavily damaged, not destroyed. I believe there were two hits. You don’t want M31 on your toe, it might break it, doesn’t mean it can’t heal. Hopefully we will see it back in action. Anyways, only pro-ukr side think that there are indestructible equipment and unkillable soldiers, losses happen, but who had bette chance to fix or replace them?
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"Our source at the General Staff said that there is an increase in epidemics in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Soldiers at the front began to get sick en masse, which caused massive non-combat losses. Hospitals are again overcrowded, and commanders are reluctant to send soldiers for treatment, since there is no one to replace them."
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21
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EDIT
This is Baghdad 2003. Mucho apologies.
This is Baghdad 2003. Mucho apologies.
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Regular wrote:
I mean, they definitely want to turn webcams off as they potentially would save Russian time for damage assessment. Potentially is the keyword, having a webcam on the target is not likely anyway. In all fairness, they are getting hit very hard as their AD is overwhelmed. And this breaks the narrative. Videos like these spread like wildfire. For Russian intelligence it’s absolutely not crucial as you said. Now Russia is doing legal work against Belgorod leakers who filmed positions of air defence and this even more serious. But Belgorod is not Kiev, data is easier to control, while Kiev is full of Russian humit assets, no webcams needed
But there is a serious difference that happened in the entire time loop of the conflict.
At the very beginning, Internet was flooded with such vids for both sides.
Later, SBU took some serious measures to cut off the flow of data. The main reason was because airing the real damages on the ground revealed official kiev regime informations as lies. And that started to be a dominant information stream outside the western shitstream.
That worked for a while. I would say that it worked half a year ago quite effectively.
But the bitter truth of mighty peremoga offensive obviously opened thousands of eyes all across Ukraine. People really started to get the clue. The fact that tens of thousands of folks are claimed MIA, in most of the cases only not to pay the compensations to the families, has left no space for propaganda. Cementaries full of graves are a clear countermeasure to the official propaganda, and Ukrainians have started to admit that wide and open.
On the other hand, Russian special services are targeting individuals who reveal operations of air defense with great devotion - only today some young pale was emitted in TG for doing it.
John, it is not Kiev. Vid is decades old and made in Baghdad.
But it is a very good case to remember, what is a difference of modus operandi for Russians versus "western coalition". What made the Baghdad bombings so pictures, was a fact that it was government buildings that has been hit at the first strike. Iraq in 2003 lacked already any serious air defense, which made the sky over it wide open for any planning. Yet, the coalition striked not army buildings, production facilities or other military grade targets. They were targeting ministries buildings, palaces, Saddam known villas etc. That is why it looked so insanely "powerful", while could have been compared to carpet bombing of the Kiev city center ...
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So using these events as precedents India can export weapons to Ukraine.
India didn't sell anything to the Ukraine, that is US propaganda to try to divide India and Russia.
Fall for that if you are that stupid... Georgians and Fins and Ukrainians and Europeans and Japanese and Canadians and Americans already have.
Young blood in leadership ? The old think differently . War is a young man's business .
Except Putin is older than Zelensky... lets compare their leadership performance...
When has war been run by young men ever?
Isn't there a Western arms embargo on China? Then how come Germany is selling engines for tanks, submarines to China? France is selling cruise missiles to China that China simply rebrands and exports.
Most of that stuff was licence produced in China because setting up factories and producing it there is cheaper... how can the west embargo China from using factories in China?
In many past wars we have seen marked equipment and ammo and nobody bothered to go to the effort, time and money, to scrub off and reprint ammo. And Indian shells apparently already shown up in images in Ukraine. If India wants to make a buck then they should sell to Russia it's ally, or if USA asks them to sell to them India should simply offer them at 5 times the price if USA really wants them then let them buy above the cost if not tell them to go jump.
As part of BRICS I would expect India to decline requests to buy 155mm artillery shells by the US. China is also refusing to supply 152mm and 122mm ammo too, as is North Korea.
The CIA will buy from anyone.
Doesn't look like one to me.
More like Ch-22/32, or some other long missile.
When moving at such speeds the missile is a blur and appears longer than it is due to the exposure time of each frame of the video.
What the actual video and you will barely see the missile streak down and impact the target... It is the most convincing video of Kinzhal I have seen.
Too niche for general lulz thread.
Hilarious...
The better solution is for more powerful, wider coverage jammers based on larger AFVs with substantial onboard power generation reserves.
Whatever solution they come up with the other side will come up with a counter to that solution. It will be a continuous fight of innovation and invention.
To me this is a no brainer, hit those tanks.
Agreed...
Not if enough forces are brought to the fight
More Russians means more targets for Orc artillery and drones... I would keep doing what they are doing till they are ready to attack at multiple points of the line to put real pressure on the Ukrainian military in the hopes of making it collapse and fold.
We are here for a long haul. Don’t expect any big arrows any time soon.
If the Orcs were smart they would have folded on day one and kept most of their territory even if it became autonomous regions, but the Orcs are dumb and don't realise they have lost already so they continue to fight not realising the longer they fight the more they will lose.
In this case heroism counts against them and just kills more Ukrainians.
This picture below shows the old Krivak class Ladny adding the old 2M-1 mount (twin 12.7mm) to combat surface drones.
When firing at a speed boat an assault rifle can be quite accurate but a heavy calibre machine gun really hits much harder and much further away from the ship and will really rip in to most surface vessels.
They started covering their ships with HMG after British experience in the Falklands and also US spy ship experience in the middle east... where lots of tracer rounds going out to incoming aircraft was rather off putting and degraded the accuracy of bombs and torpedoes and rockets fired at the ship.
It is also versatile and can be used against floating mines and other objects in the water and can be fired near ships as a warning...
New Russian 1K148 Yastreb-AV
Their new artillery tracking system is called Penicilin and it is totally passive in operation.
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ALAMO wrote:
John, it is not Kiev. Vid is decades old and made in Baghdad.
Thanks for the correction. Edited my post
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Belisarius Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:21 pm
For people who complain that Russia should do a new wave of mobilization
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We are already facing land forces at some 800k level, which makes them more than twice the size of the US Army.
It is almost triple the size...
While USArmy is spread across the whole globe, with contingents in Japan and Korea, the Russian Army operates inside the Russian territory.
What's more, the US is facing its historical low in army size, lacking any potential recruitment candidates. They couldn't achieve the recruitment goal, even considering a drastic lowering of the demands.
For another year in a row.
Plus they won't dare to scale down its strength in either Japan or Korea ...
Having very safe easternmost borders, Russia can afford to mass the bulk of its land forces on the western borders, which will outnumber everything the west can confront them with other than airforces.
Which is a factor, however very hard to compute due to extensive Russian dominance in antiair assets.
And this is the moment folks, when Slappy Joe opens his mouth about Murocan boots on the ground in the conflict
It is almost triple the size...
While USArmy is spread across the whole globe, with contingents in Japan and Korea, the Russian Army operates inside the Russian territory.
What's more, the US is facing its historical low in army size, lacking any potential recruitment candidates. They couldn't achieve the recruitment goal, even considering a drastic lowering of the demands.
For another year in a row.
Plus they won't dare to scale down its strength in either Japan or Korea ...
Having very safe easternmost borders, Russia can afford to mass the bulk of its land forces on the western borders, which will outnumber everything the west can confront them with other than airforces.
Which is a factor, however very hard to compute due to extensive Russian dominance in antiair assets.
And this is the moment folks, when Slappy Joe opens his mouth about Murocan boots on the ground in the conflict
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Seen too many fake videos today please research before posting. Dont turn to Ukraine tier propaganda.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Rodion_Romanovic Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:09 pm
Belisarius wrote:For people who complain that Russia should do a new wave of mobilization
Do we have a list on how many of those are in the various roles?
How many military personnel does Russia has now?
About 1.15 millions?
And of those how many in the army and in combat roles?
500000?
I also am curious to know if Russia will reform some of the divisions previously existing before 1991 in Ukraine.
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Here comes winters's blast from the north
Complication for the front: -20 degree frosts are coming to Ukraine, - Ukrhydrometcenter
Cold arctic air may come in from the north, bringing frost. In the northern, central and eastern regions it will be the coldest: in some places up to 18-20 degrees below zero, said Natalya Golenya, deputy head of the meteorological forecast department.
This weather will complicate active actions on the front line.
- RVvoenkor
Complication for the front: -20 degree frosts are coming to Ukraine, - Ukrhydrometcenter
Cold arctic air may come in from the north, bringing frost. In the northern, central and eastern regions it will be the coldest: in some places up to 18-20 degrees below zero, said Natalya Golenya, deputy head of the meteorological forecast department.This weather will complicate active actions on the front line.- RVvoenkor
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
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By Ukrainian defensive tactics, you mean bussing in complete companies of replacements to occupy the trenchlines left vacated by their recently dead comrades (who only arrived days before)? Because all I see is Ukrainian troops getting hammered in their trenches by artillery and FPV drones day in day out and even at evening on overtime. They didn't do anything new like build anti-drone canopies or installed man-portable jammers on their trenches like the Russians are doing.
Yes Ukro casualties are disproportionately higher
I mean if you need 20,000 conscripts to maintain brigade strength, that means you are operating "brigades" staffed with pure meat
And they do, that's why they are mobilizing half a million to plug defenses in Rabotino leading to Orekhov as the Russian army fights its way to the gates of Zaporozhye
But I think we can agree, that in spite of Ukro meat packs, it is important for the Russian army to reduce its own losses, and to create an almost safe environment for troops to conduct offensives where losses are brought to an absolute minimum
Minimum updates are needed:
1. Robotize IFVs that are used to resupply forward positions, making resupply totally "remote controlled"
2. Give infantry squads portable jammers giving even a small squad immunity from FPV while on the move
3. Increase amount of counterbattery radar at the frontline
4. Provide more volnorez modules for all vehicles especially tanks and BMP, giving them EW umbrella against FPV, as well as mine clearing vehicles
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and leading NATO technologies
Look how fast they rebuffed the claim that the criminal was killed.Notes of caution
The same dudes that spread shit about Russia without thinking for
a second or examine their sources.
This is like me saying that Djokovic is a slightly better tennis player.and even better.
Including Marines and VDV?land forces at some 800k level
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Do we have a list on how many of those are in the various roles? The last 307,000 would be almost totally combat or combat support.
How many military personnel does Russia has now? 1,320,000 plus the volunteer corps, PMC's and mobilized reservist... alot
About 1.15 millions?
And of those how many in the army and in combat roles?
500000?
I also am curious to know if Russia will reform some of the divisions previously existing before 1991 in Ukraine. The newly formed 70th Motor Rifle division in Kherson was one of those that went to Ukraine in the USSR break-up.
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Backman wrote:Not if enough forces are brought to the fight. If Russia assembled a 250-300.000 just for the city alone , it would get overrun similar to Mariupol. If Russia tries to take it with similar amounts of troops as Ukraine has there , then it will be long and costly.mnztr wrote:zorobabel wrote:The Belgorod attack is a good reminder why the "we don't need to capture territory" argument is brain dead stupid.
Territory must be captured and a large buffer zone must be created to protect civilians.
Well that is a nice thought, but the territory you would have to capture is Kharkov. That is a big city and that would be very costly to take by force.
Russia has no choice anymore. Odessa and Kharkov are US controlled cities and they cannot stay that way
The plan seems to be to force a collapse from within. Rather then take cities they should just close the western border. Turn the whole nation into a couldron and leave it at that.
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#Russia and #Ukraine exchanged prisoners. Russia received 248 and Ukraine got 173 #POW back
https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1742596012760273251
Surprised by the exchange rate. Would be interesting to get the rest of this story.
https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1742596012760273251
Surprised by the exchange rate. Would be interesting to get the rest of this story.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
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NSFW for brutal drone strike footage and aftermath
18+ brutal footage of drone strikes on Ukrainian troops
What an absolute meatgrinder, Meanwhile Zelensky begs for more weapons and money like some bad Pyramid scheme salesman.
18+ brutal footage of drone strikes on Ukrainian troops
What an absolute meatgrinder, Meanwhile Zelensky begs for more weapons and money like some bad Pyramid scheme salesman.
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This guy is fully loaded with drugs. And I'm deadly serious.
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franco wrote:#Russia and #Ukraine exchanged prisoners. Russia received 248 and Ukraine got 173 #POW back
https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1742596012760273251
Surprised by the exchange rate. Would be interesting to get the rest of this story.
I think we all would.
My guess is that the rest of the exchange was US/NATO operatives. Remember that completely unpublicised Russian diplomatic aircraft in Washington before Christmas? Negociations in rooms without ears. Obviously not 1:1
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Maybe not then
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"The exchange of 173 for 173 took place and the Ukrainian side returned 75 more Russian military personnel for 5 Azov commanders who were taken from Turkey".Today, for the first time in a long while, there was an exchange of prisoners with Ukraine.
Russia's Commissioner for Human Rights Moskalkova said that 75 Russian military personnel out of 248 who returned to the Russian Federation on Wednesday were returned from captivity without exchange.
As a source familiar with the situation explained to RIA Novosti, the release of these 75 Russians became possible thanks to the persistent work of the Russian competent authorities “after, in violation of all agreements, five previously exchanged militants of the Azov nationalist formation (recognized in Russia terrorist and prohibited) were taken from Turkey to Ukraine".
One of the Azov leaders, Zhorin, confirmed that among the exchanged Ukrainian prisoners of war there are no Azov militants; all continue to be imprisoned in Russian prisons. - FRWL
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ALAMO wrote:This guy is fully loaded with drugs. And I'm deathly serious.
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JohninMK wrote:franco wrote:#Russia and #Ukraine exchanged prisoners. Russia received 248 and Ukraine got 173 #POW back
https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1742596012760273251
Surprised by the exchange rate. Would be interesting to get the rest of this story.
I think we all would.
My guess is that the rest of the exchange was US/NATO operatives. Remember that completely unpublicised Russian diplomatic aircraft in Washington before Christmas? Negociations in rooms without ears. Obviously not 1:1
EDIT
Maybe not then
Zlatti71
@djuric_zlatko
Today, for the first time in a long while, there was an exchange of prisoners with Ukraine.
Russia's Commissioner for Human Rights Moskalkova said that 75 Russian military personnel out of 248 who returned to the Russian Federation on Wednesday were returned from captivity without exchange.
As a source familiar with the situation explained to RIA Novosti, the release of these 75 Russians became possible thanks to the persistent work of the Russian competent authorities “after, in violation of all agreements, five previously exchanged militants of the Azov nationalist formation (recognized in Russia terrorist and prohibited) were taken from Turkey to Ukraine".
One of the Azov leaders, Zhorin, confirmed that among the exchanged Ukrainian prisoners of war there are no Azov militants; all continue to be imprisoned in Russian prisons. - FRWL
Updated figures is apparently 248 Russians for 230 Ukrainians... again there is more news to follow. First deal was 173 for 173 and then secondary deal occurred, still need more info here for sure.
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