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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:36 pm

    Russian forces never used actual Iranian produced Shaheds. They may have initially imported some frame components but the key
    difference is the control electronics. They are Russian produced and designed for NATzO grade EW. This information has been
    available since the beginning. I guess people need to believe that Russia is backward and weak and has to import military goods
    to barely keep up with mighty NATzO supplies to their Ukr puppets.

    The SMO has been distinguished by Russian EW which has basically totally defeated NATzO EW. In the past, NATzO had EW as one
    of the advantages and applied it in various conflicts to defeat Soviet supplied jets, AA missiles, etc.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:41 pm

    Hole wrote:Related to the SMO, some pics from the drone factory that Medvedev visited:


    Interesting collection of flags hanging from the roof. Including the UK's Very Happy

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    Post  mnztr Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:08 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    I don't refute that, it would be very unlikely for a Storm Shadow at launch to be heading directly towards an A-50, and as such its RCS will be bigger than the west claims... but more importantly the Russians have been working on combining radar frequencies to maximise radar detection range against small RCS targets.

    Most importantly detecting the Storm Shadow or the aircraft carrying it means the A-50 passes target data to an S-400 battery which will then launch a very long range missile that reaches such ranges by flying very very high so as it approaches the location it expects to intercept the target it will be coming down nearly vertically or within 20 degrees of vertical, which I think you will agree will make the targets stealthy shape even less effective.


    Yes using the A-50 in this way which allows semiactive homing for the missile in the initial phase is brilliant. Any target will not be aware they are about to die until it is far too late. ..well they will now I guess so the A-50 flying there creates a massive no fly zone.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:38 pm

    Hole wrote:Related to the SMO, some pics from the drone factory that Medvedev visited:
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50 - Page 40 Img-2011

    Can those little helicopter carry ATGMs?
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:25 pm

    kvs wrote:Russian forces never used actual Iranian produced Shaheds.   They may have initially imported some frame components but the key
    difference is the control electronics.   They are Russian produced and designed for NATzO grade EW.   This information has been
    available since the beginning.   I guess people need to believe that Russia is backward and weak and has to import military goods
    to barely keep up with mighty NATzO supplies to their Ukr puppets.

    The SMO has been distinguished by Russian EW which has basically totally defeated NATzO EW.   In the past, NATzO had EW as one
    of the advantages and applied it in various conflicts to defeat Soviet supplied jets, AA missiles, etc.  

    I've been saying just this yet getting attacked here....

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    Post  Arrow Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:28 pm

    The new Shahed are made of carbon fiber instead of fiberglass.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:27 pm

    My mistake. 74 of 75 Geraniums were shot down—apology to the readership.

    But what one lonely but bold and brave Geranium manages to accomplish

    It did a lot of things actually  - damaged the main power lines, ended up at the Boryspil airport, and at the same time, turned a building with a red roof (pictured) at the Zhulyany airport into one large crater.

    It's a fantastic feat for a little guy. 👏👏👏

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:08 pm

    🔴 Geranki over the temporarily occupied part of the Zaporozhye region

    Starting off the night!

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:01 pm

    🇷🇺Battle for Avdeevka: The Ukrainian Armed Forces are knocked out of the industrial zone, the Russian army is tightening its grip

    Fighters on the ground confirm that the Avdeevskaya industrial zone in the south-eastern part of the city, which has been occupied by the Ukrainian Armed Forces since 2014 and turned into a fortified area, has come under the actual control of the Russian army. Here was the powerful first line of defense of the Ukrainian troops near Donetsk.

    At 20:00, small groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were sitting in the last two basements, and the footage from the soldiers shows her appearance this afternoon.

    Ukrainian military analysts have been writing all these days about the advancement of Russian troops in the industrial zone.

    The industrial zone is located on a hill; its capture by the Russian Armed Forces will complicate the situation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces garrison in Avdeevka.

    “The fact that our guys broke through the Vdyevka hole is a feat. I’m sure this was the strongest part of the Ukrainian Defense Forces’ defense along the entire front line. The proximity of our positions to the enemy’s positions played an important role for us. However, this closeness was difficult for us. This has been an open wound since 2016, it has been going on. But we held out! And we went forward, broke through this important boundary! The opponent must understand the misfortune of his situation. Glory to the Russian soldier!” - Alexander Sladkov wrote earlier.

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    Post  franco Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:01 pm


    More than 25 thousand Cossacks took part in the Russian special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine . This was stated by the ataman of the All-Russian Cossack Society (VKO) Vitaly Kuznetsov , TASS reports .

    According to him, Cossack units are among the most professional and best on the battlefield. Ataman emphasized that to date, more than one thousand Cossacks have received state awards for various feats in the combat zone.

    More than 25 thousand Cossacks have already undergone a special military operation,” added Kuznetsov.

    He also noted that Cossack units are participating in battles along the entire line of contact. The corresponding detachments are sent to the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, as well as to the Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics.

    At the end, the ataman emphasized that the Cossacks were standing directly on the line of contact. They find themselves in the most difficult sectors of the front, but successfully complete their assigned tasks and participate in assaults.

    On November 22, Vitaly Kuznetsov stated that the Cossacks were being sent to the Ukrainian conflict zone as volunteers and contract soldiers. Men actively sign an agreement with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation , but no less number of people participate in the SVO as part of partial mobilization.

    Earlier, the Cossacks of the Don brigade sank an armored barge of Ukrainian troops.

    https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog/army/news/2023/11/25/21788491.shtml?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  franco Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:44 pm

    Sounds like a page from a Chinese warfare manual...

    Death by a thousand cuts. Attacks on non-essential infrastructure

    Full Article: https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/230339-narushenie-zheleznodorozhnogo-soobschenija-i-jelektrosnabzhenija-ukrainy-udarami-po-vtorostepennym-obektam-infrastruktury.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:51 pm

    Interesting collection of flags hanging from the roof. Including the UK's
    Possible targets? Suspect

    Can those little helicopter carry ATGMs?
    As far as I know only laser-guided S-8 "rockets" and possibly small guided bombs.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:54 pm

    ⚡Powerful explosions are reported in the city of Cherkasy

    "Geraniums" have arrived!

    ⚡It is reported that part of the “Geraniums” is moving in the direction of Bila Tserkva (Kiev region)


    #source

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Nov 26, 2023 12:26 am

    https://t.me/ZandVchannel/89584

    💥🇺🇦🏴☠ What is known about the assault on the Avdeevka coke plant at the moment:

    The position of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Avdiivka is influenced by a number of factors that can change the combat situation in the most unexpected way.

    ❓🇷🇺 What is the difficulty of the assault on the Avdeevsky coke plant for the Russian Armed Forces?

    ▪ The main difficulty is the large area. The Avdeevka Coke and Chemical Plant is an area of 325-340 hectares and more than 200 buildings in which the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been accumulating ammunition, equipment, equipment and military equipment for a long time. Some buildings are mined or fortified. The same factor will play a role if a decision is made to blockade rather than storm the plant’s territory.

    ▪In addition, a coke plant is a complex engineering and technical structure. The territory (including underground passages) allows you to move secretly, set up ambushes and set traps. Clearing this area will require significant effort and time.

    ❓🇺🇦🏴☠ What is the difficulty of defending the Avdeevsky coke plant for the Ukrainian Armed Forces?

    ▪ Firstly, the uncertainty of the plans of the Ukrainian Armed Forces command regarding the garrison of the coke plant and the Avdeevsky site as a whole. At the moment, a conflict is developing between units of the 53rd and 110th mechanized brigades. The units accuse each other of cowardice and unwillingness to defend Avdiivka and the coke plant, however, the Ukrainian Armed Forces grouping within the city neighborhoods and industrial zone continues to become denser.

    ▪ Secondly, the density of battle formations. Both in the city itself and on the territory of the plant, with an area of 325-340 hectares, there are units of at least three brigades - the 23rd, 110th and 47th Mechanized Infantry Brigades, two rifle battalions, as well as territorial defense brigades, UAV units and other formations.

    On the one hand, the number of elements of disparate formations and units makes management and supply difficult. On the other hand, with a large number of units, their actual number is small. Plus they suffer losses every day.

    https://t.me/ZandVchannel/89585

    🇷🇺💥🇺🇦🏴☠ Remote mining systems «Zemledeliye» (“Agriculture”) appeared near Avdeevka

    ❓Why did these complexes appear in the Avdeevka area?

    One of the tasks that the Russian army is currently solving is disrupting the supply lines of the Armed Forces of Ukraine between Ocheretino in the north and the Orlovka-Severnoye area in the west of Avdeevka.

    All settlements through which supply routes pass, including the highway, are within the reach of «Zemledeliye».

    The use of these complexes will prevent or interrupt the supply of the defending group both along highways and dirt roads.

    The transfer of heavy equipment and its evacuation will also be difficult, if not completely stopped.

    The more or less massive transfer of material and human reserves from site to site, including with the help of civilian vehicles, will also be disrupted.

    In conditions of intense battles, when the consumption of ammunition increases and the number of wounded grows, as well as the onset of cold weather, when fuel consumption increases significantly, disruption of regular supplies can become a determining factor in the stability of defense in a number of areas.

    https://t.me/ZandVchannel/89572

    🇷🇺💥🇺🇦🏴☠ Russia has increased the production of missiles for the Iskander-M complex several times. There is enough ammunition. And the military is now hitting one target with several missiles at once. " A new tactic," said the authors of an article published in the Military Watch Magazine.

    "These missiles are a challenge for defense. And not only because of their ability to carry special penetrating warheads, but also because of their ability to perform complex maneuvers that make them extremely difficult to intercept."

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    Post  franco Sun Nov 26, 2023 1:32 am

    Against the backdrop of gigantic losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: “Kyiv wants more women to command companies on the front line,” - Secretary of State of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense

    ▪Ukraine has “quite progressive legislation,” but gender stereotypes continue to operate locally, said L. Daragan
    ▪We have already passed the stereotype that a woman cannot fight. Now we need to overcome the stereotype “a woman cannot command.”
    ▪She also provided the latest statistics on the number of women in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. As of October 2023, this is more than 62,000 = 7% of the total number.
    ▪Previously, the New York Times published an article that Ukraine is trying very hard to attract a large number of women into the army.


    https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1728544631938245078

    blah blah blah! so 62,000 women = 7% or an Ukrainian military of 885,000. Interesting info and twice the number they estimate the Russians have in the SVO. That must be the on the books number for NATO "payroll" services Suspect

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    Post  mnztr Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:07 am

    Arrow wrote:The new Shahed are made of carbon fiber instead of fiberglass.

    Are they?, that would be wasteful. I though they were using some sort of vaccum formed fibre reiforced plastic or polycarbonate. After all these are one use items and only need to survive for about  6 hours tops. CF is quite labor intensive to manufacture.

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