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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:02 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The reality of trying to relocate, heavy gear especially, off road between now and when the ground freezes. Be interesting to see how the US Striker, as an example of the now NATO favoured 6x6 format, copes.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1728002417466163586

    This thing will not be going anywhere unless someone brings an excavator

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 24, 2023 5:45 pm


    Residents of Lvov don’t really remember what the Maidan in Kiev was about

    Many have heard almost nothing about the events of ten years ago.

    @ukr_leaks_eng


    Striking statistics from the Spilnomova organization: only 15% of children attending preschool education institutions in Kiev actively speak Ukrainian.

    20% of children do not speak or understand Ukrainian at all.

    @ukr_leaks_eng

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    When changing legislation on the issue of national minorities, Ukraine will not make exceptions for Hungary - Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration Olga Stefanishina.

    “We also have Romanian, Greek and Bulgarian minorities, but it is in Budapest that they shout loudest, which is not a sign of problems,” she said.

    @ukr_leaks_eng

    She did not mention the Polish minority in Ukraine, because in the Polish Borderlands during WWII, Ukrainians murdered 100,000 Poles.
    She did not mention the Russian majority, because just like the Polish population in the past, NOW they are exterminating the Russian majority.


    We need to stop looking at Ukraine “through rose-colored glasses” - Austrian Foreign Minister Schallenberg

    According to an Austrian diplomat, Kiev should not be given preference over the Western Balkans when deciding whether to begin EU accession negotiations in December.

    @ukr_leaks_eng

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    Post  MMBR Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:06 pm

    Came across this on telegram from slavyangrad. Really interesting read.

    "A CIA report first dstributed in 1949—initially classified as secret—and declassified by the CIA in 1999, indicates the existence of a large underground hangar and tank depot below an airstrip in Kharkov capable of holding 150 jets. The hangar has an airplane elevator and several separate hangars capable of holding a number of tanks as well as concentrations of manpower. This hangar doesn't exist in isolation. Facilities like this, built under the Soviet Union, are fairly extensive. Though, Russian military intellligence will know all of their locations, it's unlikely they can realistaclly take advantage of this intelligence without great expenditure."

    Does anyone happen to know more about these systems, extent, plans, real world use of these underground storage sites and tunnels?

    Are they still in use?

    Do these sites or systems have any role of importance to play in the SMO going forward, if so in what way?

    The article makes it sound like they are formidable but not worth the effort to attack or capture and they have little role to play or bearing on the SMO tactics/stratergy. They sound more like a historical curiosity.





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    Post  Hole Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:32 pm

    it's unlikely they can realistaclly take advantage of this intelligence without great expenditure.
    Mr. Kinzhal could visit those sites anytime. Twisted Evil


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:50 pm

    MMBR wrote:Came across this on telegram from slavyangrad. Really interesting read.

    "A CIA report first dstributed in 1949—initially classified as secret—and declassified by the CIA in 1999, indicates the existence of a large underground hangar and tank depot below an airstrip in Kharkov capable of holding 150 jets. The hangar has an airplane elevator and several separate hangars capable of holding a number of tanks as well as concentrations of manpower. This hangar doesn't exist in isolation. Facilities like this, built under the Soviet Union, are fairly extensive. Though, Russian military intellligence will know all of their locations, it's unlikely they can realistaclly take advantage of this intelligence without great expenditure."

    Does anyone happen to know more about these systems, extent, plans, real world use of these underground storage sites and tunnels?

    Are they still in use?

    Do these sites or systems have any role of importance to play in the SMO going forward, if so in what way?

    The article makes it sound like they are formidable but not worth the effort to attack or capture and they have little role to play or bearing on the SMO tactics/stratergy. They sound more like a historical curiosity.






    Ukraine uses them to house things yeah, probably troops and other supplies. The sites themselves offer very little defensive means as once you surrounded the entrance points, you don't even need to go in and getting out would be like your the fish in a barrel.

    These sites were made to hide planes etc from nuclear war really, I am not sure how extensive they are honestly. I know they started off small but throughout the years the soviets expanded them.

    There are many many smaller ones also throughout Ukraine stuff like underground shooting ranges etc.

    and generally, no the facility in question was as I said just meant to protect bombers from nukes, it offers no other real advantage sides hiding things. So you can really ignore it the guys inside will flee, if the russians get close enough if there are ukie troops inside.

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    Post  MMBR Fri Nov 24, 2023 7:06 pm

    Thank you for the clear explanation
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    Post  franco Fri Nov 24, 2023 7:17 pm

    In the period from November 18 to November 24 this year, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 31 group strikes with precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles on military airfield infrastructure, arsenals, places of storage of artillery ammunition, weapons, military equipment and fuel bases. In addition, the locations of the AFU units, the Azov national formations, as well as the "Foreign Legion" were affected. All assigned objects are hit.

    In the Kupyansk direction, units of the "Western" grouping of troops improved the position along the front edge in some areas and repelled 13 enemy attacks. Air strikes and artillery fire defeated the manpower and equipment of the 10th Mountain Assault, 57th Motorized infantry, 14th, 43rd, 53rd and 67th mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of settlements: Sinkovka, Ivanovka, Zagoruikovka, Kislovka and Kupyansk, Kharkiv region. The enemy's losses during the week amounted to over 305 servicemen, two armored combat vehicles, 16 vehicles and seven field artillery guns.

    In the Krasnolimansk direction, units of the Center group of troops, supported by aviation, artillery fire and heavy flamethrower systems, repelled ten attacks by assault groups of the 5th Brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine, the 12th Special purpose Brigade, the 24th, 47th and 67th mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In addition, clusters of manpower and equipment of the 31st National Guard Brigade, as well as the 117th and 125th territorial defense brigades were defeated in the areas of the settlements of Torskoye, Krasny Liman, Serebryanka and Grigorovka of the Donetsk People's Republic. The total losses of the AFU amounted to more than 740 servicemen killed and wounded, six armored combat vehicles, 15 vehicles and three field artillery guns.

    In the Donetsk direction, the "Southern" grouping of troops repelled 22 enemy attacks and inflicted fire damage to manpower and equipment in the areas of the settlements of Maryinka, Kurdyumovka, Vasyukovka, Artemovsk, Andreevka and Kleshcheyevka of the Donetsk People's Republic. Over the past week, enemy losses in this direction amounted to more than 1,680 servicemen killed and wounded, four tanks, ten armored combat vehicles, 18 vehicles and 14 field artillery guns.

    In the South Donetsk direction, the units of the Vostok group of troops occupied more advantageous lines and positions, and also repelled two enemy attacks. Air strikes and artillery fire defeated units of the 58th Motorized Infantry, 72nd mechanized, 79th airborne assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as the 127th and 128th territorial defense brigades in the areas of the settlements of Novomikhailovka, Staromayorskoye, Nikolskoye, Shevchenko, Novodonetsky and Konstantinovka of the Donetsk People's Republic. The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the specified period amounted to over 625 servicemen, seven armored combat vehicles, 16 vehicles and 13 field artillery guns.

    In the Zaporozhye direction, units of Russian troops conducted an active defense, during which they repelled 11 enemy attacks in the areas of the settlements of Workino and Verbovoye of the Zaporozhye region. In addition, fire damage was inflicted on the manpower and equipment of the 71st Jaeger, 82nd airborne assault, 33rd, 65th and 118th mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Malaya Tokmachka, Uspenovka and Novoandreevka of the Zaporozhye region. The enemy's losses amounted to up to 435 servicemen killed and wounded, three tanks, 21 armored fighting vehicles, 22 vehicles and four field artillery guns.

    In the Kherson direction, the enemy made unsuccessful attempts to land combat groups on the islands and the left bank of the Dnieper. As a result of the preemptive actions of Russian troops and artillery fire raids, the losses of the AFU in this direction for a week amounted to 405 servicemen, 11 field artillery guns, 12 boats and 26 cars. Also, units of the 35th and 36th brigades of the AFU Marines were defeated in the areas of the settlements of Tyaginka, Tokarevka and Sadovoye of the Kherson region. In addition, 39 Ukrainian servicemen were captured.

    Operational-tactical aviation and missile forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation destroyed during the week: the radar station of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system, as well as two US-made AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery radar stations.

    Naval aviation of the Black Sea Fleet in the Black Sea destroyed 12 unmanned boats of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, traveling in the direction of the Crimean peninsula.

    The following aircraft were shot down by means of air defense during the week: a Mig-29 aircraft and a Mi-8 helicopter of the Air Forces of Ukraine. In addition, 15 HIMARS and Alder multiple rocket launchers, two Neptune anti-ship missiles, as well as 176 unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed.

    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 537 aircraft, 255 helicopters, 9165 unmanned aerial vehicles, 442 anti-aircraft missile systems, 13586 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1185 multiple rocket launchers, 7166 field artillery and mortars, as well as 15572 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12487473@egNews

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    Post  mnztr Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:23 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    When you can only go up 10km, when you are looking sideways 300km or 400km then you are not really looking down as much as sideways.

    If you imagine you are in an aircraft at 10km and you are looking at things 200-300km away they will be on the horizon and not below you looking down.


    at those distances and alt. there is 3-5 degrees of vertical, which is still significant in degrading stealth. There is also horizontal displacement which is impossible to avoid. So the missile will present its side profile as it flies to the target and can be detected quite easily on its way to the target

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    Post  franco Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:44 pm

    Kyiv still retains the ability to transfer reinforcements and ammunition to Avdievka, but the position of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in this city is rapidly deteriorating. Western media do not hesitate to discuss options for what awaits the Ukrainian garrison in Avdiivka and how long it can hold out, but all discussions boil down to the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have very few options left, and very soon those that exist will be lost. The initiative today has completely passed to the Russian Armed Forces, which continue to advance under the cover of aviation, artillery and MLRS, striking Ukrainian positions with large-caliber aerial bombs and cluster shells.

    It is also important that the Russian Armed Forces are advancing, taking up positions at heights, including at heights along the railway tracks leading towards Ocheretino. As a result, the Ukrainian Armed Forces find themselves in unfavorable conditions, their positions are now in open areas and under surveillance - in such conditions it is almost impossible to counterattack.

    In addition, in the Avdeevka area, the creation of “fire bags” was noted - a tactical technique of the Russian Armed Forces, when the enemy is forced to enter a certain area of ​​​​the terrain where movement is difficult, after which the exit is blocked by artillery fire.

    “ There is reason to believe that this tactic, which was widely used during the battles for Rabotino, is widely used now. In addition, the advantage of the Russian Armed Forces in aviation and surveillance and reconnaissance means allows them to effectively “catch” the Armed Forces of Ukraine in preparation for counterattacks and on rotations, including at night. The Russian Armed Forces also have an advantage in logistics and support - in fact, the whole of Donetsk is nearby, which makes it easier for the main forces to maneuver. Time and resources allow us to act slowly, which cannot be said about the Ukrainian army ,” – explains the telegram channel “ Military Chronicle”.

    The Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have reserves in Avdeevka that could be compared in number with those that were in Artyomovsk or Zaporozhye. Today, the Ukrainian Armed Forces garrison in Avdeevka is exhausted to the limit and is no longer able to reverse or at least stabilize the situation, being in a strategically losing position - and this is the main difference between the battle for Avdeevka and the battle for Artyomovsk.

    https://1rodina-ru.translate.goog/article/ognevye-meshki-vokrug-avdeevki-taktika-vs-rossii?utm_source=warfiles.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:03 am

    par far wrote:Y5wbiIm11GY

    Sleboda is a self-described pessimist and that taints his analysis. He relays the story about how Ukrs took out all of Russia's demining equipment near
    Avdeevka without any proper filtering. He makes it sound like Russian forces suffered similar defeats to what the Ukrs did during their trumpeted
    counter offensive. This does not make any sense. There is no parity between Ukr and Russian losses because there is no parity in battlefield resources.
    Why would Russian forces leave their demining teams exposed and some FPV drones would be enough to take them out? So Russians are not able to
    deal with FPV drones? They have no way to suppress drone operators and operation? These are not Lancets.

    Lots of Telegram analysis which is of dubious validity.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:50 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:The reality of trying to relocate, heavy gear especially, off road between now and when the ground freezes. Be interesting to see how the US Striker, as an example of the now NATO favoured 6x6 format, copes.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1728002417466163586

    This thing will not be going anywhere unless someone brings an excavator


    It can be towed out. They are just either stupid or lacking equipment. They need at least one additional heavy tracked vehicle and a longer tow rope. You can't pull a stuck vehicle of the same weight with another vehicle going uphill on mud. Also do not see power applied in the stuck vehicle to break the suction of the mud.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:31 pm

    A frontline soldier was describing how is the new artillery ammunition working. It is noiseless. He was calling that "Korean rounds", but I guess it can be applied to any kind of newly produced ammunition, that is made with better precision and maybe slightly changed aerodynamics.
    Till now, Polish-supplied 60mm mortars had this reputation of being absolutely noiseless, which gave them no chance to hide.

    Perhaps what is happening is that the newer more aerodynamic ammo is not slowing down like the older stuff so perhaps it is supersonic or so near sonic speed that it arrives with its sound and therefore appears to be quiet.

    I believe that this is the first time that the Russians have captured intact one of these larger more advanced boats.

    The reckless abandon that Kiev has shown with its naval spetsnaz is quite frankly disgusting... if SBS troops were sent to land on the beach in France to take a few pictures and then be slaughtered by the Germans during WWII I doubt the people sending them on their missions would remain in their jobs, but Kiev kept sending troops to die on Snake Island and other fools errands that has probably led to the current batch not really willing to die for Zelensky... maybe they abandoned their equipment and just defected this time around?

    At least the Russians wont murder them like their superior officers seem so keen on doing...

    It´s a f...ing boat with a camera and radio control.

    Yeah, just looks like a normal cheap fibreglass boat painted grey... nothing sophisticated about it from the outside...

    Not sure of the content from the interview however Russia developed a noiseless mortar a few years back which was issued to Special units.

    Yes, forgot about that...

    http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/land-forces/missile-systems-multiple-rocket-launchers-mrl-atgm-systems-and-field-artillery-guns/2b25/

    He was addressing 152 mm.

    Then perhaps it is improved aerodynamic shells that remain supersonic to point of impact.

    at those distances and alt. there is 3-5 degrees of vertical, which is still significant in degrading stealth. There is also horizontal displacement which is impossible to avoid. So the missile will present its side profile as it flies to the target and can be detected quite easily on its way to the target

    I don't refute that, it would be very unlikely for a Storm Shadow at launch to be heading directly towards an A-50, and as such its RCS will be bigger than the west claims... but more importantly the Russians have been working on combining radar frequencies to maximise radar detection range against small RCS targets.

    Most importantly detecting the Storm Shadow or the aircraft carrying it means the A-50 passes target data to an S-400 battery which will then launch a very long range missile that reaches such ranges by flying very very high so as it approaches the location it expects to intercept the target it will be coming down nearly vertically or within 20 degrees of vertical, which I think you will agree will make the targets stealthy shape even less effective.

    It can be towed out. They are just either stupid or lacking equipment. They need at least one additional heavy tracked vehicle and a longer tow rope. You can't pull a stuck vehicle of the same weight with another vehicle going uphill on mud. Also do not see power applied in the stuck vehicle to break the suction of the mud.

    If they take too long a Lancet might arrive and solve the problem for them... by hitting the artillery vehicle trying to pull out the other artillery vehicle... and then 4 minutes later another lancet will arrive for the stuck vehicle unless there is another vehicle that has arrived to recover the stuck vehicle and then it should hit that and let the next lancet take out the stuck vehicle...

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    Post  Arrow Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:10 pm

    More than 75 shahed attacked Ukraine that night.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:28 pm

    Arrow wrote:More than 75 shahed attacked Ukraine that night.
    There should be that many each day.

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    Post  franco Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:18 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    Arrow wrote:More than 75 shahed attacked Ukraine that night.
    There should be that many each day.

    Unfortunately the Ukrainian Air Defenses reported they shoot down 74 out of the 75 Suspect
    and to continue this tale of misfortune those 74 downed UAV's fell onto military targets pale
    destroying massive amounts of ammo, equipment, fuel and manpower affraid
    the end cry

    russia

    PS: on a more serious note, an article recently stated Shahed production was around 200 per month. thumbsup

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:27 pm

    GarryB wrote:The reckless abandon that Kiev has shown with its naval spetsnaz is quite frankly disgusting... if SBS troops were sent to land on the beach in France to take a few pictures and then be slaughtered by the Germans during WWII I doubt the people sending them on their missions would remain in their jobs, but Kiev kept sending troops to die on Snake Island and other fools errands that has probably led to the current batch not really willing to die for Zelensky... maybe they abandoned their equipment and just defected this time around?

    They have been doing this since day one. Recall the criminally insane attempts to engage helicopter rescues of trapped assets at Azov Stal. As if Russian forces have no
    ability to take out helicopters. Somehow I think that the Kiev regime drinks the same koolaid that NATzO deciders do. The expectation of victory over Russia is in another
    dimension of hubris-driven retardation.

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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:46 pm

    stated Shahed production
    Geran-2.

    Sleboda is a self-described pessimist
    He has his low points. Like stating that looking at the operation around Avdeevka we would see if the Russian Army learned something.
    As if he had 30+ years experience in leading large combat operations.  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:50 pm

    Related to the SMO, some pics from the drone factory that Medvedev visited:
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    Post  franco Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:05 pm

    Hole wrote:
    stated Shahed production
    Geran-2.

    Keeping in context Arrow so not to confuse the masses dunno my bad thumbsup

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    Post  Arrow Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:27 pm

    Kyiv at night.

    https://t.me/voenacher/56942

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    Post  mnztr Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:27 pm

    Arrow wrote:More than 75 shahed attacked Ukraine that night.

    Is it Shahed or Gerans? What are the Russians actually using? I wonder when the jet powered Geran will be used
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:30 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    Arrow wrote:More than 75 shahed attacked Ukraine that night.

    Is it Shahed or Gerans? What are the Russians actually using? I wonder when the jet powered Geran will be used
    Geran-2 is just a Russian designation for Shahed 136.

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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:32 pm

    Kyiv at night.
    New Year celebrations starting early this year. lol1

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