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    Post  ALAMO Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:58 pm

    If ukrs are claiming 20, we can seriously consider two.
    A whole situation was already presented as "retaliation" for massacring a whole brigade command staff, so guess yourself the level of desperation.
    On the other hand, only yesterday I was watching tens of floating bodies of Ukrovolksstuhrm that will feed the fishes in Dnepr for the next two weeks.
    Watching them cold dead next to the dingy, kayaks and canoes they are using just to make some bloody selfie ... It jumps out of the box of absurd.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:57 pm

    Reports of Geraniums heading to Donetsk (occupied) and Zaporozhye!

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:05 pm

    Probably interesting intel in this, I doubt the UK's RN are very happy.

    The Ukrainian unmanned kamikaze boat Magura V5 , with which the enemy tried to attack ships on the western coast of Crimea tonight, fell intact into the hands of Russian fighters.

    #Source

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:07 pm

    From Ukrainian Channel Rezident:

    🔴 UK MI6 transmitted intelligence information to the Office of the President and the General Staff about the development and testing in Russia of an improved generation of Lancet/Scalpel. According to British intelligence, these loitering munitions have a flight range of over 150 km. and can hit moving targets. Mass production will be launched in early 2024 and will pose a serious threat to Ukrainian artillery.

    #Source

    Zin Note: For reference, this would be four times the current Lancet flight range.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:28 pm

    RF troops undermine and storm Ukrainian fortifications at Avdiivka


    They actually tunneled to the Ukrainian trenches, placed 500KG of explosives there, blown a crater and use said crater to enter their trenches. Kaboom!, Peek-a-boo!. Cool

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    Post  Hole Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:08 pm

    and can hit moving targets.
    The current version can hit those already.

    will pose a serious threat to Ukrainian artillery.
    The current version is already a deadly threat to what is left of Ukro artillery.

    They actually tunneled to the Ukrainian trenches
    The same was done in WWI. Never change a winning tactic. Wink

    There was a video on the Jimmy Dore show yesterday, showing some Ukro chick singing
    to newly "drafted" "volunteers" of the mighty ( geek ) Ukro army.
    Most of them were 40+, a lot looked more like 50+.
    They looked not very amused about their situation.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:23 pm

    A view on the potentially very rapid accession of Ukraine into NATO as soon as they get a chance. Don't see it happening myself.

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    The decision on Ukraine's accession to NATO will be made overnight and by that time Kiev will be ready to join the alliance, Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration Olha Stefanyshyna has said https://t.me/tass_agency/219831.

    This statement should be taken extremely seriously.

    ▪ The fact is that a similar statement was made by US President Biden during the NATO summit in Vilnius on 11-12 July 2023. When asked by a journalist how long it would take the West to admit Ukraine to the alliance, he replied: "One hour and twenty minutes".

    The North Atlantic alliance is just waiting for a convenient moment. It is ready to use any freezing of the conflict with Russia or suspension of hostilities for Ukraine's official accession to NATO. Accordingly, Russia must fully take this factor into account in the course of the SMO. There can be no pause - otherwise we will formally find ourselves in a conflict with a NATO member country afterwards.

    However, the text https://www.nato.int/cps/ru/SID-36F4D09C-731D53FD/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm?selectedLocale=ru of the North Atlantic Treaty does not contain any restrictions on the admission of a new member even when it is engaged in hostilities with another state. To confirm this, let us turn to Article 10:

    "The Contracting Parties may by universal agreement invite any other European State capable of developing the principles of this Treaty and of contributing to the security of the North Atlantic area to accede to this Treaty. Any State so invited may become a Contracting Party by depositing with the Government of the United States an instrument of its accession to this Treaty."

    ▪ What about the claim that a country with a territorial dispute cannot be admitted to NATO? No way. The relevant wording from a NATO study https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_24733.htm from back in 1995 stated:

    "States with ethnic or external territorial disputes, irredentist claims or internal jurisdictional disputes are obliged to resolve them peacefully and in accordance with OSCE principles. The resolution of such disputes may be a factor in deciding whether to invite a state to join the alliance."
    But firstly, "may be a factor" does not mean "must be a factor". Secondly, from NATO's point of view, Ukraine has no dispute with Russia: the former has allegedly committed "an act of unprovoked full-scale aggression", while the latter is only "defending its land".

    Finally, no territorial disputes, for example, between Britain and Spain over Gibraltar, Canada and Denmark over the Arctic Hans Island, or Greece and Turkey over coastal waters in the Aegean Sea, have prevented all of them from being members of the alliance.

    Not to mention the fact that for a year and a half now, and actually longer, the Global West has been biting its teeth and has been guided not by "some documents" but, so to speak, by "force majeure". And in the matter of Ukraine's accelerated admission to NATO, it is ready to follow the same rationale. (Source: Elena Panina) @LauraRuHK Telegram ТАСС

    Вступление Украины в Евросоюз — это уже реальность, в то время как ее вступление в Североатлантический альянс — еще нет. С таким утверждением выступила вице-премьер по вопросам европейской и евро-атлантической интеграции Украины Ольга Стефанишина.

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    🇷🇺⚔🇺🇦 You may remember the summer video we posted about the work of Russian DRG's in the Sumy Region in Northern Ukraine [viewer discretion advised]

    Well...the work of Russian Special Forces in the region continues. [Apparently the operations never stopped and Russian DRG's continue to eliminate AFU in the region]

    A result of a recent opration on AFU personnel behind the lines.

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/93230?single

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:17 am

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    Yes, this is what winners do... conscript their essential labour manpower to become cannon fodder and get women to head down the pit....

    Slava Kokaini. Glory to the bandera-trash.

    Lemmings run head-long into the grinder Razz

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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:15 am

    A view on the potentially very rapid accession of Ukraine into NATO as soon as they get a chance. Don't see it happening myself.

    Disputes wont matter but all current HATO members will have to agree for a new member to join and I can't see a lot of HATO members say yes to Ukraine... including France and Turkey and a few other places that are not suicidal.

    Sounds like losers grasping at straws in sheer desperation and panic... and Kiev still believing these liars.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:08 am

    When you used to jump as a madman chanting about HIMARS, only to figure after a few months that Russkie are jamming it making miss by hundreds of meters.

    https://t.me/SIL0VIKI/78495

    And at the end you realize, that they have the same cluster type of ammo, only unjammable, 3 times heavier, and thousands of them ...

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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:35 am

    Against troops in the open cluster munitions are vastly more effective... if you are shelling an open field you try to land shells a few metres apart so the explosion and fragments give you a good coverage of area but it takes time for 152mm or 122mm shells to land and explode. Rockets are better and arrive faster, but cluster bombs are the best because even a single large shell or bomb can deliver an enormous number of small bomblets that can spread out and absolutely cover a wide area with fragments all at once... no time to take cover... just hot razor sharp splinters everywhere...

    The Russians weren't using them as much as they could for the same reason the west wasn't... they were internationally agreed to be a warcrime so the Russians didn't use them and the west didn't supply them.

    Kiev had some and it was fighting for survival so didn't care for the rules of war, but western media ignored that when it worked out it wasn't the Russians.

    Then the Americans found they were running out of conventional shells so they made a big song and dance about cluster munitions... first they said how effective they are... the next super weapon that was going to beat the Russians, but then they admitted they didn't have anything else to send... earlier in the conflict when they thought Russia might have used some they called their use a war crime but it turned out it was Kiev that use them so that accusation went away.

    The point is that they supplied them so now Russia can use these very very effective munitions and they have them across the range of their artillery and missiles... from gun fired shells to artillery rockets, to air to ground weapons and also various cruise missile cassette warheads they make an enormous range of cluster munitions that had been just sitting doing nothing.

    Russia is so lucky their enemy and their backers are so stupid.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:38 am

    You are starting this religious dispute again, so let me pass.

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/104560

    Duzho bogato chlopciv dviechsotych ...

    In a second vid, I guess it is an artillery using cluster ammo, as the targeted area has a round shape and is limited. There is even a moment that something small can be noticed, falling ballistic.
    With RBK bombs cluster is more like square, and much, much bigger.

    By the way, there was an interesting interview some week ago in Ukro TV.
    A frontline soldier was describing how is the new artillery ammunition working. It is noiseless. He was calling that "Korean rounds", but I guess it can be applied to any kind of newly produced ammunition, that is made with better precision and maybe slightly changed aerodynamics.
    Till now, Polish-supplied 60mm mortars had this reputation of being absolutely noiseless, which gave them no chance to hide.

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    Post  mr_hd Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:10 am

    JohninMK wrote:Probably interesting intel in this, I doubt the UK's RN are very happy.

    The Ukrainian unmanned kamikaze boat Magura V5 , with which the enemy tried to attack ships on the western coast of Crimea tonight, fell intact into the hands of Russian fighters.

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    It is not first time this happened and it is good for Russia. They are desperate to develop strategy against navy drones that will work.

    So far Ukraine made the biggest success against Russia on the sea front. Black Sea Fleet is pushed more east and ports on Crimea are not safe anymore partly because of Ukrainian sea drones and basically Russia is not able to make any meanongful sea blockade on Ukraine. That and inability to control sky over Ukraine is omnious sign for Russian prospects in Ukrainian "adventure".

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    Post  Belisarius Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:55 am

    They are desperate to develop strategy against navy drones that will work.

    Considering that Ukrainian drones are destroyed in the Black Sea every week, and that during the entire war they achieved nothing except damaging an old ship that was repaired and put into action again 45 days later, I would say that Russian desperation lies only in your head and that they already have a strategy that works.

    to make any meanongful sea blockade on Ukraine

    It was Ukraine and the West that went to Russia offering an agreement, where they made CONCESSIONS TO RUSSIA in exchange for a naval corridor for Ukrainian grain ships.

    So much for "unable to carry out a naval blockade"...

    inability to control sky over Ukraine

    Tell that to Elensky who at the beginning of the year was with Sunak giving interviews begging for F-16s to, in his own words, challenge Russian AIR SUPERIORITY

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:59 am

    mr_hd wrote:
    It is not first time this happened and it is good for Russia. They are desperate to develop strategy against navy drones that will work.

    I believe that this is the first time that the Russians have captured intact one of these larger more advanced boats.

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    Post  Hole Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:36 am

    the operations never stopped and Russian DRG's continue to eliminate AFU in the region
    Mercouris mentioned a fey days ago that, according to some source, the operations intensified in the last weeks/few months.

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    They looked really surprised that the enemy is using tanks to shot at them.
    They must be NATO-trained. lol1

    more advanced boats.
    It´s a f...ing boat with a camera and radio control. Sleep

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:49 am

    Two Majors #Report for the Morning of 24 November 2023; pub. 07:00:round_pushpin:

    🎯 The RF Armed Forces at night again hit with Geraniums at #Starokonstantinov in #Khmelnitsky region, where a military airfield is located. UAVs were reported in the #Vinnitsa region, our missiles were recorded by the enemy on their way to the #Odessa and #Poltava regions.

    ▪ In the #Kherson direction yesterday the RF Armed Forces started active operations near the settlement of #Krynki. Fighting in the forests went on until the evening, with field reports of Ukrainian militants taken prisoner. In general, the situation remains tense, and our fighters continue to grumble about the organisation of combat operations, the provision of communications and the low level of interaction between forward units.

    ▪ On the #Zaporozhye front, against the background of bad weather, both sides did not take any active actions, mutual artillery shelling continued.

    ▪ On the #Avdeyevka front, heavy fighting continues. Active actions took place near #Stepovoye and #Krasnogorovka on the northern edge of the front. In the southern part of the front, the RF Armed Forces were destroying enemy positions by tank and artillery fire in the area of the industrial zone. The RF Armed Forces did not reduce artillery and air strikes against the enemy, including on the territory of the Coke Plant.

    ▪ South of #Artyomovsk (#Bakhmut), our troops knocked the enemy out of a number of positions near #Andreyevka. Fighting continues near #Kleshcheyevka.

    ▪ In the #Kupyansk direction it is reported about intensification of fighting near #Sinkovka. The local command estimates that the enemy loses up to 50 militants a day in this village alone.

    💥 At night, residents of #Dzhankoy (north of #Crimea) reported the work of air defence forces. In #Kursk region, the village of #Gorodishche, Rylsk district, was shelled twice during the day. In #Belgorod region, the village of #Kozinka, Grayvoron town district, was attacked by a kamikaze drone, a civilian was wounded. In #Gorlovka (#DPR), a civilian was wounded as a result of Nazi strikes.

    🗺 The RF Armed Forces began active operations in this sector of the front. The enemy is suffering significant losses in manpower


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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:58 am

    The situation in the Avdeevka direction on 11/24/2023 - analysis from @Multi_XAM and @z_arhiv

    It is worth starting with the fact that the "victorious" tone of the Ukrainian public until recently was replaced by a statement of the fact of the critical situation of the AFU near Avdeevka. Russian troops are pressing on the main areas of offensive operations. According to our format, we will not describe the actions of our troops, but on the contrary, we will analyze the position and maneuvers of the enemy.

    With the support of aviation and artillery, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are advancing on the northeastern flank (in the direction of Keramik, Novokalinovo, Berdych, Petrovskoye) and in the south (in the area of Severnoye and Tonenkoye), forcing the AFU to leave positions. Significant successes are reported in the industrial zone of the Avdeevka coke plant, as well as in the area of dachas and in the direction of the Avdeevka quarry. Ukrainian resources record the abandonment of the AFU positions in the area of treatment facilities, where 12th separate infantry battalion and 21st separate brigade of Special Forces were previously stationed.

    To the northwest of Krasnogorovka, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation occupied a forest belt north of the railway branch.

    To the north and west of the Tochmash dacha village in the direction of Novokalinovo and the forest belt north of Stepovoye, the enemy holds positions with 109th, 129th separate brigades, as well as 107th, 236th and 237th separate battalions of the TrD, 1st presidential brigade, 22nd separate battalion of the Special Forces, 52nd separate rifle battalion, 1st tank and 31st mechanized brigades, as well as 3rd separate Special Forces regiment. The command of the AFU, understanding the operational plan of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, is trying to prevent the passage of our troops to the Ocheretino station, after which the supply of the Avdeevka garrison through Orlovka will be cut off.

    In an attempt to prevent the Avdeevka group from falling into the operational environment, the command of the Donetsk OTG is transferring additional forces to the area of the AFU strongholds 25 km north-west in the area of Novaya Poltavka, through which two main supply arteries of the Avdееvka garrison pass at the intersection of roads from Konstantinovka and Pokrovsk.

    On the southern flank in the area of the industrial zone, where the defense is still held by the 1st mechanized battalion of the 110th mechanized brigade, our forces are also advancing. Currently, the enemy has regrouped, withdrawing part of the units 1.5 km northwest to the area of the forest plantation. The information about the complete withdrawal of the 110th brigade from the Avdeevka direction does not correspond to reality. The 2nd battalion of the brigade holds positions in the area of the former recreation center "Tsarskaya Okhota", the 3rd - in the area of dumps southwest of Promka. The withdrawal, most likely, meant the evacuation of damaged equipment, which was taken out by the engineering units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    Meanwhile, the enemy began to have problems with the supply of ammunition, which affects the decrease in the intensity of hostilities, forcing the AFU to retreat deeper and thus exposing suburban areas. Some ukrainian media are starting to prematurely report that Avdeevka is in an operational environment. The only option for the AFU to delay our advance is to continue to counterattack on the flanks, however, this is also a matter of time (until the supply is finally disrupted).

    Most likely, in an effort to save soldiers, the AFU command will begin a gradual withdrawal of units as soon as new fortified areas, some minimal fortification and engineering in the strip from Konstantinovka to Kurakhovo (possibly even to Ugledar) are equipped at a depth of 15-25 km from Avdeevka, which will take time.


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    Post  franco Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:03 pm

    ALAMO wrote:You are starting this religious dispute again, so let me pass.

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/104560

    Duzho bogato chlopciv dviechsotych ...

    In a second vid, I guess it is an artillery using cluster ammo, as the targeted area has a round shape and is limited. There is even a moment that something small can be noticed, falling ballistic.
    With RBK bombs cluster is more like square, and much, much bigger.

    By the way, there was an interesting interview some week ago in Ukro TV.
    A frontline soldier was describing how is the new artillery ammunition working. It is noiseless. He was calling that "Korean rounds", but I guess it can be applied to any kind of newly produced ammunition, that is made with better precision and maybe slightly changed aerodynamics.
    Till now, Polish-supplied 60mm mortars had this reputation of being absolutely noiseless, which gave them no chance to hide.

    Not sure of the content from the interview however Russia developed a noiseless mortar a few years back which was issued to Special units.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:09 pm

    The reality of trying to relocate, heavy gear especially, off road between now and when the ground freezes. Be interesting to see how the US Striker, as an example of the now NATO favoured 6x6 format, copes.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:13 pm

    franco wrote:

    Not sure of the content from the interview however Russia developed a noiseless mortar a few years back which was issued to Special units.

    He was addressing 152 mm.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:14 pm

    This is a comment re the Polish drivers, probably followed by others, blocking the Ukrainian border crossings. Huge potential ramifications, deliveries over the border at special military crossing points or helicopter?

    As we all know, logistics win or lose wars.


    Ukrainian volunteers write that drones, drone detectors, thermaki and medoza also ended up standing on the Polish border. They write that soon this could be compared to our naval blockade of the Black Sea coast.

    Polish agrarians, we remind you, intend to blockade the border for the time being until February 2024.

    Are Poles agents of the Kremlin?


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    Due to the situation on the border with Poland, where carriers blocked the checkpoint, there is a shortage of motor fuel in Ukraine.

    It is reported that in half of the regions gas has already run out in one of the largest gas-station networks. Where it remained, the price went up.

    Polish farmers will also join the carriers starting Monday. As a sign of solidarity.

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:52 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Yes, this is what winners do...  conscript their essential labour manpower to become cannon fodder and get women to head down the pit....

    Slava Kokaini.  Glory to the bandera-trash.  

    Lemmings run head-long into the grinder  Razz
    Lol. This Ukraini punani is getting a lot more pounding than she signed up for. 1-2-5 mm go bang!

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