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    Post  franco Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:06 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    lancelot wrote:How can you even call this a win? The US Neocons are likely salivating right now thinking this is confirmation that all their claims that Russia will implode with the conflict are true. That if they push just a bit more they will get what they want. It will only make them all the more eager to push more.

    It's definitely a win for the neocons. They will indeed use this to put more pressure and assist Ukraine further. But while this is a massive loss externally, it's a win internally as it consolidated power in Russia and remove any potential dissidents.  The external affair issue will simply take time to revert the damages. And best way for that is continue to win in Ukraine.

    I have always had the sense that Russia wants this to go on for a long time, draining not only the resources of Ukraine but the West. Suspect their allies feel the same, contrary to the public calls for peace and negotiations. Zelensky is not the only PR firm in town russia

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:38 am

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    I look forward to the after pics

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    Post  T-47 Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:47 am

    Does anyone know how many RuAF jets/helos were shot down confirmed with proper evidence and statements from authorities?
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    Post  Isos Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:29 am

    lol1 lol1 people still believing in the coup story hahha

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    Post  VARGR198 Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:34 am

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    Post  mnztr Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:37 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Wagner is largely neutered now, what's left poses no threat to Keiv even at their max strength, they wouldn't have the manpower needed to take a large city like keiv


    It would not make sense to attack Kiev, just close the border and wait for them to surrender.
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    Post  mnztr Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:41 am

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    Post  Regular Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:16 am

    Isos wrote: lol1  lol1 people still believing in the coup story hahha
    I wonder what VKS personnel, tight knit community and their families think

    Anyway, Ukrainians can’t even reach contact lines and get extinguished.

    Ka-52 video compilations are back
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:28 am

    Whilst this was going on, were the Russians able to redeploy some forces under cover of Wagner activities, without the UA mirroring them?

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:13 am

    Yes the army moved forces along Belgorod and Bryansk,

    As well Prigozhin and Wagner will reinforce Belarus

    It seems the Poles were planning an imminent terror hybrid attack, with Ukrainians disguised as civilians and with arms, as well as Belarusian nazis and mercenaries,  and poles helping to overthrow Lukashenko

    The Wagner drill gave awareness to traitors and has begun a purge of the upper command

    Prigozhin will now initiate a similar function in Minsk,  and Wagner will help Belarus to defend itself by identifying leaders of the coming coup attempt sponsored by Warsaw/NATO

    Prigozhin and Wagner are needed in Minsk before the hybrid attack begins

    At the same time the Wagner convoy showed deficiencies in response , should an invasion of Russia occur,

    Although VKS commanders gave orders for aviation to strike the convoy, its not known if these commands were given from the top, or some isolated orders from within the MOD

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    Post  Serberus Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:10 pm

    T-47 wrote:Does anyone know how many RuAF jets/helos were shot down confirmed with proper evidence and statements from authorities?


    Prigo admitted shooting down the Il-18 or whatever it was “by mistake”, and had 10-11 airforce members on board according to Rybar I think. There is a video that was initially incorrectly identified as old, looks legit imo.

    There was also video and photo “evidence” of a ka52 and mi-8 wrecks.

    There were claims of 7 in total by several sources, but none officially admitted and I doubt they ever will even if it was true, as they let the potential perpetrators of the hook.

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    Post  par far Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:49 pm




    Col Douglas Macgregor With his insights, he is saying that this was not coup but Prigozhin wanted to get Putin’s attention.

    Macgreogor is saying that Russian officers and others at the top of the military are not happy about the way the war is going on in Ukraine. They want to end it fast, Macgreogor is saying that, Russia will hit hard.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:01 pm

    franco wrote:
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    lancelot wrote:How can you even call this a win? The US Neocons are likely salivating right now thinking this is confirmation that all their claims that Russia will implode with the conflict are true. That if they push just a bit more they will get what they want. It will only make them all the more eager to push more.

    It's definitely a win for the neocons. They will indeed use this to put more pressure and assist Ukraine further. But while this is a massive loss externally, it's a win internally as it consolidated power in Russia and remove any potential dissidents.  The external affair issue will simply take time to revert the damages. And best way for that is continue to win in Ukraine.

    I have always had the sense that Russia wants this to go on for a long time, draining not only the resources of Ukraine but the West. Suspect their allies feel the same, contrary to the public calls for peace and negotiations. Zelensky is not the only PR firm in town russia  

    Same. It's to Russia's benefit that the West keeps throwing good money after bad and over-investing in a lost cause

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:07 pm

    Godric wrote:Wagner are no longer a threat neither is Prigozhin, they basically helped out, all or most of the 5th column and treacherous scum in Russia outed themselves when Wagner leadership decided to go AWOL

    that is a big win, Putin got rid of a big chunk of the enemies of Russia  

    And who actually fell for it in the end?

    I know the Ukraine didn't. Did NATO's remaining useful idiots in Russia get activated?
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:09 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Terrorists and murderers were allowed to walk free and Russian soldiers will be forced to serve alongside and under the same people who have been killing them

    Terrorists ringleader has gotten away with everything

    This is a national disaster and hallmark of a failed state

    Give your stalwart defense of your ego a rest once in a while PD and admit that Prigozhin got one up on you. As he did on most people here. Not me though What a Face

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:06 pm

    About time to move forward at the frontline!

    Kiev has been building up to this offensive for some time, and considering the Russians claim to have killed about 13,000 orcs and lots of armour and equipment I would expect there is quite a lot left... you would expect them to be massing 60-70,000 men for such an operation... more if they could manage that, so they probably have rather a lot of men and material and equipment still hidden somewhere... well probably everywhere, so I don't think an attack by Russia would be a good idea now.

    Any place the Orcs have pushed they could push back a bit, but they are not in a rush to get things done before the season changes and large movements are no longer easy or practical.


    You do realize you are sitting on a forum and shilling for enemies of you own country?

    The greatest enemies of Germany are in Washington and London and the capital of Germany... they already gave up cheap Russian gas... how has that helped the western economy... and Brussels and Washington are demanding 2% spending on military and also money to go to Kiev... I would say anyone suggesting they listen to Russia and stop funding nazis in Kiev is a European patriot because that is more in line with European interests than any of the shit coming from the US which seems mostly focused on selling its own energy products to the EU to the cost of the EU.

    Wagner is basically no more, Putin will not allow them to exist to any real degree, most will be absorbed into the army, sure some will retire and a few will go with prozi, but Wagner is effectively dead as you know it. So do not expect any "offenses" from them

    Wagner will likely continue around the world, but those members in Ukraine wanting to stay will likely get contracts with the Russian Army.

    Wagner isn't through, Russia is through using Wagner I think is more accurate.

    How can you even call this a win? The US Neocons are likely salivating right now thinking this is confirmation that all their claims that Russia will implode with the conflict are true. That if they push just a bit more they will get what they want. It will only make them all the more eager to push more.

    They know full well if this had happened in a western country that all political parties would pull together and be super patriotic or risk being called traitors, this never had a chance of succeeding really... the two groups that might have taken advantage of this... the chechens... who wanted independence before... and the communists who will not be happy with how things are at the moment... both fully supported Putin and the current military leadership.

    Coups don't work with politicians only... you need secret service, military, police, other powerful organs of state behind you to have any chance... they didn't, because this was a tantrum over losing a defence contract... it was never really meant to be a serious coup.

    It's definitely a win for the neocons.

    No it isn't.

    They didn't do this. They had no hand in creating it, could not add to it and watched helplessly by as it fizzled out after being super hyped up in the west it is just another failure against Putin as his forces continue to succeed on the battlefield and the neocons forces collapse and get killed in large batches.

    It would be awfully strange for the Vatican to support such a side, after all Poland is one of the most Roman Catholic countries in the world.

    No more strange than a jew in charge of nazis... it is all about image... if they can get the vatican to support kiev then those poles and israelis complaining about Bandera are just being silly...

    The west applying the rule.... the enemy of my enemy is my friend... which leads to getting into bed with the devil obviously.

    Reminder.. Rogozhin coup stuff has its own thread...

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    Post  Arrow Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:35 pm

    Russia will hit hard. wrote:

    Yes, Macgreogor has been talking about the great Russian offensive for half a year, that in a moment. His analysis is worthless

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:55 pm

    par far wrote:
    Col Douglas Macgregor With his insights, he is saying that this was not coup but Prigozhin wanted to get Putin’s attention.

    Macgreogor is saying that Russian officers and others at the top of the military are not happy about the way the war is going on in Ukraine. They want to end it fast, Macgreogor is saying that, Russia will hit hard.

    All his "insights" are just the same as you can have any minute signing some TG channels.
    He is repeating the same things like some mantra.
    He does not have any connections in Russia.
    In opposition to the Ritter guy - he has some real, live contacts dating back into 90s.
    So really some of the folks he can mail or call, can be high level of command now, if they were in inspection business 30 years ago.

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    Post  nomadski Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:06 pm

    The Russian leaders and commanders are of three types , according to their hair : First are the Egg- heads , these are bald men , aerodynamic that fly-off at speed and due to no hair , have no boundary layer problems . Second are semi - bald men , slower to act , yet give in to occasional impetuous actions and therefore loose some hair in an effort to be bold . And last are those with hair , that are conservative in their actions , not stressed at all , find it hard to be bald or bold ! LOL .


    It is like the ink- blot test . They all interpret events , according to their own psychology . They all see , what they want to see . And what do the Orcs want to see ? Not reality for sure . And the public and leaders in the West ? The same thing . So these events revealed even more the tremulous juxtapositions in their psyche . As Lavrov said !

    What I have in common with Prigozin ? Well I also used to sell Hot- Dogs around street corners , as a poor student ! And I also am bald like him ! Say ......can Wagner be turned into multi-national force , like the French legionare ? Recruit from the East to fight the West ? How about Iranian recruits ? .....Chinese ? Plausible deniability ? The onus is on Russia to advance .


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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:38 pm

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:28 pm

    Must have had its ammo racks full.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:32 pm

    I bet there is some AD in the area now. That can't be a UK/EU site, there are no safety barriers and a man with a clipboard checking Laughing

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    Post  Hole Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:42 pm

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    Post  Regular Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:44 pm

    JohninMK wrote:I bet there is some AD in the area now. That can't be a UK/EU site, there are no safety barriers and a man with a clipboard checking  Laughing

    What is the military reasoning to hit the bridge and don’t use the monument… then wait then it will be fixed up. I don’t understand, it’s a waste of multiple missiles and probably a jet
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:00 pm

    Maybe that was the only bridge they could hit, concerning the Russian AD distribution.
    TikToks won't record themselves alone, you know ... Laughing

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