Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42

About storm- shadow , I read it had problem with accuracy . The mail newspaper claims a building was hit with military personnel ! Different to reports from Luhansk . Also limited stocks available = 1000 and warhead small 450 kg . So it is propaganda weapon mainly , or it's best use is to stir a Hornet's nest . Perhaps it needs to be stirred ! About military planes being hit , well they can fly from Airfield further back and have more time to detect incoming and intercept . The patriot hitting khinzal image was fake . The shape  was wrong . Still keep troops concentrated in LDPR . No need to advance in North . Also cool it , and stop having a go at comments and posts . Just reply with reason .

Isos wrote:
Still better than russian tactic that consists in relying on a paramilitary group for any major fight and loosing hardware in a dumb way.
Last major dumb move was sending their tupolevs in range of ukro drones...

By far the dumbest thing of this whole SMO is the fact that NATzo is arming 404 to fight the Russians.  Even the dumb ass German FM unknowingly admitted to that in her response to South Africa's alleged supply of weapons to Russia

“If someone were to supply weapons to the aggressor (404 in reality), it would be the opposite of ending the war,”

Yes it is a tragedy that those planes and helicopters were shot down but the fact is this is a war - people gets killed. The fact that it happened inside Russia is a worry but again stuff like this happens when you're dealing with terrorists.

Arkanghelsk wrote:It's AN/TPS OTH radar cueing Patriot, they are using Patriot the same way they were using S300 and Buk, giving enough time for the radar to activate to cue passive homing missile, while the OTH radar is watching these dumb flight routes of the VKS

And complacency on the VKS knowing Chernigov and Sumy are hostile areas, and flying these aircraft at high altitude assuming no threat - Same shit with drones hitting Moscow

The solution is to get buffer into Chernigov/Sumy/Kharkov, but the Kremlin is not willing to pay the political cost of what this entails

There's some truth to what Phst is saying,  if Patriot downed Kinzhal, and Patriot is now establishing no fly zone over border areas

As they escalate, what is to stop other systems from blocking Tactical warheads, and then Ohio class from launching depressed trajectory warheads on Russia?

In effect an A2AD bubble is going up over Russian airspace, and the leadership needs to incur the political consequences of mitigating the risk

Then with Patriot you also have PAC-3 MSE , which can potentially intercept Kinzhal in early flight phase
And hit to kill capability

Russians created new SAM interceptors for the S-400 before for the purpose of pulling 60G maneuvers to intercept 30G maneuvering missiles like Prsm or Arrw since they stated the 30G SAM interceptors they had before were not sufficient enough. Dont think Patriots has interceptors that can pull 60Gs since last I heard they are stuck on 30G overloads. I dont think having better homing sensors for the patriots would improve its performance if its a pigeon trying to chase a pigeon than a hummingbird chasing a pigeon.

Average daily loses of aircrafts im Vietnam. Yup, that will shake those bloody Russkie. Bottom up. Need only more idiots on panic mode. We have some here. Sell them Garry 🤭

ALAMO wrote:Average daily loses of aircrafts im Vietnam. Yup, that will shake those bloody Russkie. Bottom up. Need only more idiots on panic mode. We have some here. Sell them Garry 🤭

Vietnam was a different sort of war.

The threat was not existential to the U.S.A.

In Vietnam the U.S.A. used unrestrained bombing of even purely civilian targets, which Russia has thus far not done in the Ukraine.

Another view

To FP

The West and its population must feel the war in the end. The goal of the West in the beginning was first and foremost the weakening of the Russian economy, which in their opinion would raise the Russian people to revolt against the Russian government. That has not passed and now the goal is to draw Russia even more into the conflict and thereby mobilize even more people in order to exert pressure on the economy again, a possible revolt of the people, etc. Russia will never use nuclear weapons against Ukraine, but only against the West. Some retards from the West on this forum don't want to know that. And I know that Western planes are junk just like Russian ones - only the Western illusion of the opposite is invincible.

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In favor of the theory that it may have been a strike by Ukrainian Air Force fighter aircraft on the Russian aviation group is the fact that the Polish MiGs transferred to the AFU have been modernized.

The MiGs carry early versions of AIM-120A/B/C medium-range air-to-air missiles (can carry missiles with a range of up to 70 km).

https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12467221@egNews

On 12 May at around 6.30pm Moscow time, AFU Air Force combat aircraft launched a missile attack on Polipak polymer products company and Milam meat processing plant in Lugansk.


The strike was carried out using Storm Shadow missiles supplied to the Kiev regime by the UK, contrary to London's claims that these weapons would not be used on civilian targets.

As a result of the strike, a fire broke out on the territory of Lugansk food and chemical industries.

Some nearby residential buildings are destructed. Civilians, including six children, were injured.

The Russian Aerospace Forces fighter aircraft shot down AFU Su-24 aircraft that attacked Lugansk and Mig-29 fighter that was covering it.

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

In Kupyansk direction, the attacks, launched by aviation, as well as artillery and heavy flamethrower systems of the Zapad Group of Forces, have resulted in the neutralisation of the enemy units close to Sinkovka, Kurilovka (Kharkov region), and Stelmakhovka (Lugansk People's Republic).
Two Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance groups have been thwarted near Berestovoye and Timkovka (Kharkov region).

The enemy losses were up to 170 Ukrainian servicemen, four motor vehicles, Gvozdika and Akatsiya self-propelled artillery systems.

In Krasny Liman direction, the attacks, launched by Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, as well as artillery of the Tsentr Group of Forces, have resulted in the neutralisation of AFU units near Terny, Grigorovka (Donetsk People's Republic), and Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People's Republic).

The enemy losses were up to 75 Ukrainian servicemen, two infantry fighting vehicles, one Akatsiya self-propelled howitzer and one Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system.

In Donetsk direction, the assault detachments have liberated a neighbourhood in the northwestern part of Artyomovsk.

The Airborne Troops' units provided support to the assault units and restrained the enemy on the flanks.

Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, as well as artillery of the Yug Group of Forces inflicted a fire damage on the enemy units close to Grigorovka, Krasnoye and Chasov Yar (Donetsk People's Republic).

Russian aviation have made 9 sorties in this area during the day. The Group's artillery have performed 98 firing missions.

The enemy losses were over 285 Ukrainian servicemen and mercenaries, two tanks, three infantry fighting vehicles, four armoured personnel carriers, four motor vehicles, two Akatsiya self-propelled howitzers, one Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, and one D-30 howitzer.

In addition, one AFU artillery-missile armament and munitions depot was destroyed near Kramatorsk (Donetsk People's Republic).

In South Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions, the attacks, launched by aviation and artillery of the Vostok Group of Forces have resulted in the neutralisation of the enemy units close to Ugledar, Pavlovka, Novopol (Donetsk People's Republic), Malinovka, Malaya Tokmachka and Novodanilovka (Zaporozhye region).

The actions of a Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group have been disrupted close to Novomayorskoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

The enemy losses were over 155 Ukrainian servicemen killed and wounded, 14 motor vehicles, as well as one U.S.-manufactured M777 artillery system.

In Kherson direction, the enemy losses were up to 20 Ukrainian servicemen, three motor vehicles, and one Giatsint-B gun.

One AFU ammunition depot has been destroyed near Nikolayev.

Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, and Artillery of the Russian Group of Forces have engaged 74 AFU artillery units, manpower, and hardware in 114 areas during the day.

One radar station of Ukrainian S-300 anti-aircraft missile system has been destroyed near Novodmitrovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

The 5th Assault Brigade's battalion command and observation post has been hit near Krasnoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

One aircraft missiles and fuel depot for Ukrainian military equipment has been destroyed, close to Zaporozhye.

Fighter aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down one Mi-8 helicopter of Ukrainian Air Force near Kupyansk (Kharkov region).

Air defence facilities have intercepted three HIMARS projectiles. In addition, 18 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down cloe to Velikiy Vyselok, Dvurechnoye (Kharkov region), Belogorovka, Kremennaya, Svatovo (Lugansk People's Republic), Veseloye (Donetsk People's Republic), Mirovoye, Pologi (Zaporozhye region), Korsunka and Krynki (Kherson region).

In total, 424 airplanes, 231 helicopters, 4,117 unmanned aerial vehicles, 421 air defence missile systems, 9,119 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,100 fighting vehicles equipped with MLRS, 4,806 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 10,167 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed since the beginning of the special military operation.

Shit, if mig29 using aim120 to hunt, it means s400 went missing there

No good

The helicopters fly at maximum of 5 km height....was ist really a Patriot system or some DRG with manpads?

Sorry but Russia looks very weak! If it was a Patriot system the radar emissions would have flood southern Russian hemisphere. Why they are not able to take this system out? So near to the Russian border? Or was it a Mig-29? Why is it possible for such a plane to hunt deep inside Russia? Why are DRG are able to penetrate soo deep into Russia? Was it friendly fire? Whatever scenario it was Russian Army looks today like a bunch of amateurs!

I know exactly what Putin and the Russian Forces wants...they want to slowly grind down Ukraine, and minimize loses. On the other side many Russians are losing patience and a regime change is not far away...exactly what NATO wants. Russian Forces are not able to protect russian citizens! They cheated on the population of Kharkov and Kherson...leading to a slaughter of civilians by Nazi Forces. They are not able to protect border regions like Belgorod! Every day Russian civilians are dying regions. What's next? Evacuation of Belgorod and talking of "we still started nothing serious"???

No implementation of red lines! Only talking!!! Putin appears like a paper tiger. Now it's the time for all enemies of Russia to rise up of Russia. I hope the elite in Moscow is aware of this? Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, the Baltic countries, Finland, Poland...and most of all the inner enemies! The bunch of pro-western elite shitheads that wasn't too still the country out for a few dollars.

I still wonder why they don't mobilized another 200k - 500k soldiers??? What are they waiting for? You need 2-3 months for good training. I know Ukraine is on the verge of collapse...but Russia is not in a good shape now, the command structure is rotten from the top. If Poland and the Balts decides to send 200k soldiers Russia will lose this war conventional and they will not go nuclear....after all they try no carpet bombing run after a big missile and drone wave. They still want to be morally good.

So we got 5 pages of dooming and glooming because of 2 planes and 2 helicopters shot down.
The Su-35 isn´t even confirmed yet.
In the meantime the Ukros lost 2 planes, too.
Which side has more planes and helis?
Which side is producing planes and helis?

As posted above the first losses in weeks or even months. In a high intensity conflict against the whole of NATO
hiding behind a proxy.

The whole day targets in Banderastan were hit by missiles/bombs/drones.
The nice explosion in Khmelnitskyi is only the tip of the iceberg.
But the whole time people are talking about the civilian targets hit in Lugansk.

The Storm Shadows/Scalps were easily shot down in Syria because there the west tried to
hit important military targets. That´s why the Kiev regime and his handlers are attacking
meat factories or civilian houses. Again.

It's not about dooming, it's about asking questions!

My professor once told me...."you can learn more from a defeat, than from success, because success can only be luck...but if you analyze your defeat you will learn from it".

So there are many questions and no answers! And people in border regions of Russia are dying! Russia is not able to protect it's citizens. Tell a mother who lost a child that Russia is only playing with Ukraine and not going to war, so she lost her child to a "game". That's not fair! All the generals, the president, the ministers sworn to protect Russia. All of it! And not only the elite in Moscow...but we see many class of Russians. Information policy of RuMoD is shit!!!

Doomers are sometimes right! If they are dooming all the time like Strelkov, they are annoying.

And today is very sad day...a day where dooming is ok

7 bombers in the air.

Even the Storm Shadow missile needed decoys so its pretty clear stealth is obsolete. In regard to the lack of retaliation and this so called SMO, even Mercuris is raising the credibility of the Russian Govt position. If this war is existential, why continue with this SMO nonsense. Why allow NATO to get away with each escalation with no retaliation. To me the worst was NS. Seems to me the Chinese cuffs are on Russia, and the Chinese relationship is so critical to Russia that all escalation points are taken in consultation with their essential partner. With China, Russia is OK without the west. But without China, things get pretty bleak. China needs Russia as well, but not as badly as Russia needs China.

nomadski wrote:About storm- shadow , I read it had problem with accuracy . The mail newspaper claims a building was hit with military personnel ! Different to reports from Luhansk . Also limited stocks available = 1000 and warhead small 450 kg . So it is propaganda weapon mainly , or it's best use is to stir a Hornet's nest . Perhaps it needs to be stirred ! About military planes being hit , well they can fly from Airfield further back and have more time to detect incoming and intercept . The patriot hitting khinzal image was fake . The shape  was wrong . Still keep troops concentrated in LDPR . No need to advance in North . Also cool it , and stop having a go at comments and posts . Just reply with reason .

Since when is a 450kg warhead small? Inaccuracy could be GPS jamming as that has also been affecting HIMARS.

Big attack in that city and around Lviv according to this twitter account.

flamming_python wrote:.

You sound like the geopolitical equivalent of my Boomer uncle who suffered from long stretches of alcoholism. Who tried to convince the world 'there was no problem and that he had everything under control' even though he was mandatorily admitted to rehab in 10+ occassions, his children found at least a dozen of secret alcohol stashes in and around his house, and who managed to be drunk for weeks on end whilst trying to give the outward appearance that he was a man of great discipline and control.

You're like him. Grasping at whatever straw you can find to deny the undeniable. Defend the undefendable. Damagecontrol the undamagecontrable. Spin the unspinnable.

There is no reason/sense in carefully dissecting your pathetic 'arguments' because there are none. They are - be it directly or indirectly - all spinoffs of a psychological cope-mechanism called *projection*. Which, in laymen terms, means trying to flip-flop the presented situation in the exact opposite of what your sensatory organs are telling you it is. Obviously this happens either for political purposes (shills) or personal reasons (people to emotionally invested in a cause). It's up to to others to decide in what cagetory you fit.

Hence the assertions that 'Russia is actually winning because the US and allies can't keep this up because xyz' even though everybody and his mom can see that this is not true and that the US are 100 percent committed whilst spending a fraction of what Russia is spending.

Or, that 'Russia is showing the world it's interested in world piece by not doing the necessary'

Or that 'the West will freeze to death, and the Ukrainian civil/military infrastructure will collapse before xyz'

Or that 'Ukraine will soon run out of men due to the (imaginary) 8 to 1 attrition rates'

Hence the assertion that 'doomers have lowbrow arguments' even though they largely present arguments on well founded and logical grounds and have been proven to be accurate on basically every count with *your side* moving the goalposts time and time again - resorting to personal defamation as the message is more often than not bulletproof.

Etc etc etc. You get the drift.


Like with substance/alcohol abuse, the first step towards improving the situation would be acknowledging that there is a need to improve the situation - and not walk around with your head up your ass telling the world everything is fine even though a toddler can see the house is on fire.

Russia and its supporters deserve all the contempt in the world for letting this happen. Until they decide to take the gloves off (both domestically and internationally) they ought to be ridiculed, laughed at, despised, made fun of and what not. Even so I am not sure what will save Russia's credibility at this point. They literally let a Ukrainian assassination attempt at their Head of State slide for God's sake.

The uncle died of alcohol induced liver cancer bytheway.

There's no proof of su35 shootdown

All is confirmed is 2 helicopters and 1 su34

Isos wrote:

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1657474925777625092

How come Ukrainian airports are still operational on Day 443 of the 'SMO'?

Don't come at me talking BS that they are not. Obviously Ukrainian air assets take off from Ukrainian bases, and not from either Romania or Poland.

Answers should not include words/phrases like 'trust the plan', 'dooming' and '9D chess'.

Also no smart-ass comments on how it's fuel/ammo depots that's being hit. The question is much wider than the current attacks in Ternopil.

Apparently the LNR claim that it was Grom missiles that struck Luhansk was false.

https://twitter.com/cirnosad/status/1657325309476356098

Storm Shadow cruise missiles. They're striking again today.

At least they still know how to kaboom big weapon depot. Another big one after the other once today. Ukraine has lost many stuff in those explosions.