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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue May 02, 2023 12:04 pm

    Whoa... that is frigging EPIC!! russia russia russia russia russia

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    Post  Tolstoy Tue May 02, 2023 12:35 pm

    Your average Ukro Nazi. The patch (green) reads "Hate Speech" in Cyrillic.

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    Post  franco Tue May 02, 2023 12:40 pm

    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced the losses of the enemy over the past month of hostilities.

    “The enemy is suffering significant losses. In the past month alone, they have lost more than 15,000 people,” he said during a conference call.

    In addition to manpower, a large amount of military equipment was destroyed. In April, the armed formations of Ukraine lost eight aircraft, 277 drones, 430 tanks and other armored combat vehicles.

    In addition, our troops destroyed 18 Ukrainian MLRS combat vehicles, 225 field artillery pieces and mortars.


    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/2023521250-DCNnN.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui&_x_tr_hist=true

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    Post  Hole Tue May 02, 2023 1:09 pm

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    Hammer time!

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    Post  JohninMK Tue May 02, 2023 3:00 pm

    I posted the circuitous flight path a day or so back. It is starting to look normal for some loads.

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    The fourth super-long flight of Russian military transport aviation to Syria has already been recorded along an unusual route bypassing Turkey, and An-124s were spotted on the route.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue May 02, 2023 3:10 pm

    I post this in memory of those who died on this day 9 years ago.

    I watched it live in stunned disbelief at the time. Thankfully the video has not been purged but I will not post it.

    It is likely that this event changed the Russian people's view of the then new regime in Kiev for ever. It has taken and may still be taking longer to change Russia's leaders and oligarch's attitudes.

    I will post this.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 02, 2023 3:22 pm

    Isos wrote:Gefest & T doesn't seem to be that much used.

    It uses still free fall bombs that don't glide so the plane is in AD range. Glide bombs offer some stand off range against shorad and medium range systems.

    Yeah, it made sense in Syria where there wasn't any AA to worry about but not here

    For some reason Russian airforce has been unable to properly neutralize Ukrainian air defense, quite baffling considering that it was nothing but leftovers to begin with and hand-me-downs​ and pittance now and all operated by apes



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    Post  Hole Tue May 02, 2023 4:57 pm

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    Ukro vehicles lost in and around Artemovsk

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    Post  lyle6 Tue May 02, 2023 4:59 pm

    Even more baffling NATO couldn't defeat not one percent of that apefest...

    Quite hilarious really. Serbian AD crews were bemoaning the lack of S-300s and were convinced it would have made a difference. 

    Then Russia just blows up 4 batteries in one go like its nothing. Fucking showoffs...

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    Post  Firebird Tue May 02, 2023 6:13 pm

    Re the evil Odessa massacre.
    This is one of several reasons why I cannot understand why Russia took EIGHT long years to properly intervene in its homeland of much of the past 1100 years, which was ridiculously called the "Ukraine" for a tiny part of that time.

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    Post  thegopnik Tue May 02, 2023 7:09 pm

    https://english.iswnews.com/27999/russia-controls-90-of-bakhmut-city-map/


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    Russia Controls 90% Of Bakhmut City (Map)Tuesday 2 May 2023 - 16:27ISWNews Analysis Group – Following the battles in the city of Bakhmut in southeastern Ukraine, the Russian armed forces and their allies have taken control of more than 90 percent of the Ukrainian city.On April 30, head of the Russian military contractor Wagner Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin announced that his militant forces have control over a significant area of the city of Bakhmut, and only a few square kilometers remain under the control of the Ukrainian forces. The Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation also declared that Wagner’s forces, with the support of the airborne troops and the Southern Military District, are advancing in the Ukrainian city.Based on the available information and field map review, it can be said that now about 37 square kilometers, which is about 90% of the city of Bakhmut is under the control of Russia, and only 4 square kilometers and about 10% of the remaining in the west of the city are under the control of Ukrainian forces.In recent days, Wagner’s militants took control of a military unit and a medical school in the north and south of Chaikovskogo Street in the downtown of Bakhmut city. The clashes on this axis point continue in the apartment building complexes in the west of the medical school.In the northwestern areas of Bakhmut, the Russian forces are advancing along Tolbukhin, Pobedy and Levanevsky streets. The Russian troops also took control of several other buildings in the southwest at the intersection of Dekabrists and Alexander Matrosov streets.In the suburbs of the city, clashes continue in the north, near Khromove and Bogdanivka. In the western suburbs of Bakhmut, confrontations continue near Ivanivske between the Russian and Ukrainian military forces.Ukrainian positions in other areas around Bakhmut are also under heavy artillery fire and the Russian air force attacks. According to the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation, more than 200 Ukrainian soldiers were killed as a result of a recent missile strike on the deployment spots of the 24th Mechanized Brigade and the Ukrainian special operation in Kostyantynivka.Of course, the casualties are not exclusive to Ukrainian forces, and the Russian forces have also suffered high fatalities in recent confrontations, particularly in the battles for the capture of Bakhmut city, which have intensified since early February 2023.The battles have continued with greater intensity and seriousness, and by mid-February, the clashes have gradually spread to inside the city of Bakhmut; since then, the advances have been slow, the city has turned into ruins, and both warring sides have suffered high casualties, to the point that this city is now known as the “Bakhmut Meat Grinder.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue May 02, 2023 7:10 pm

    The fourth generation of aircraft is already obsolete.
    Unfortunately, the reputation of Russian Sukhoi aircraft has been damaged - but the West has skillfully avoided showing the impotence of its aviation since Vietnam war.
    It is better for Russia to do what it has been doing up until now, that is to invest FAR more in air defense than in VVS.

    If the Russians do not dare to use the Su-35S or some other type of aircraft over Ukroshitstan, the same fate would befall the F-15, F-16, EF-2000, as well as the French junk that Serbia is planning to buy.
    Since the West has NEVER proven technological efficiency against air defense systems developed after the fifties and sixties of the 20th century, I doubt the fourth generation of Western aircraft.
    It remains to be seen where the Su-57, F-35, as well as the J-20 are.
    Unlike most people on this forum I have never forgotten the impact of the air defense system in the Vietnam War.
    The only repeated example of a built air defense (after Vietnam) system is Ukroshitstan.
    Today, it is enough to put a LANCET in your bag and come a few kilometers from the airport. The fucking LANCET proved to be more useful than Russian aviation.

    In every conflict, the USA primarily used the navy and only after the navy had done its job, then the aviation came in, but those opponents were VERY VERY WEAK.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 02, 2023 7:11 pm

    Firebird wrote:Re the evil Odessa massacre.
    This is one of several reasons why I cannot understand why Russia took EIGHT long years to properly intervene in its homeland of much of the past 1100 years, which was ridiculously called the "Ukraine" for a tiny part of that time.

    Because our elites spent the 25 years before that dismantling the country

    And it took some time and effort to get it ready for a major conflict and self-sufficiency again, and to encourage other countries around the world to stand up for their independence too, that there isn't just one game in town anymore.

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    Post  Mir Tue May 02, 2023 7:16 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Yeah, it made sense in Syria where there wasn't any AA to worry about but not here

    For some reason Russian airforce has been unable to properly neutralize Ukrainian air defense, quite baffling considering that it was nothing but leftovers to begin with and hand-me-downs​ and pittance now and all operated by apes

    Much of the 404's air defense was made up of old Soviet era stock like the basic S-300 and the Buk-M1 operated by apes as you say but they still managed to knock down a couple of Russian aircraft. What it clearly spells out for me is that even old Soviet era stuff could pose a serious threat to any adversary, but just imagine what a headache the far mor modern and capable Russian air defense would be for NATzo.

    The Russians have most certainly learned a few very hard/valuable lessons in this conflict, but in the end it will only enhance their military capabilities for the better. Much better in fact.

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    Post  sepheronx Tue May 02, 2023 7:25 pm

    Aviation has it's own needs and purpose like every other function of the military. If Russia ignored the VVS, then the enemy can have open game on Russia by being able to strike Russia from afar continuously from its aircraft. Purpose of the airforce is to launch bombs from afar, provide close air support that the Su-25 has done well at, and to provide long range air defense against enemy jets who may try to launch standoff missiles against Russia.

    The idea of flying in and dropping dumb bombs over an enemy who has heavy AD isn't best option and Russia learned its lesson on that. Yet Russia now is dropping glide bombs from jets at reasonable distance, en mass, and causing major damage to Ukraine forces. The Ukrainians have more or less lost all or majority of its long range AD and has only short range ones left. Which is still a threat to Russian jets at high altitude. So best option is to still launch standoff missiles and glide bombs. Let Su-25's and helicopters fly low to provide support or hit the enemy.

    The only jet that kinda lost some sort of respect was Su-34 and even then they lost very few compared to the fact the enemy has an AD networks no one west of it has.

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    Post  Mir Tue May 02, 2023 7:31 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:The fourth generation of aircraft is already obsolete.
    Absolutely not the case. Even a third gen Su-25 proved to be extremely valuable. Air power can be very flexible if used correctly. The Russians decided in some cases it won't be willing to sacrifice expensive aircraft so it opted for cheaper options like the Lancet. The modern battlefield is a very complex place and you need to adapt very quickly to gain or keep the advantage.

    Podlodka77 wrote:Unfortunately, the reputation of Russian Sukhoi aircraft has been damaged
    Again nothing could be further from the truth - all the Sukhois - including the Su-35 have been very active and effective. It doesn't mean you have to fly directly over enemy positions to have an devastating effect on the battlefield.  dunno

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue May 02, 2023 7:34 pm

    To Sepheronx


    The whole world is under global surveillance and we all live like in the Big Brother house - everything is visible.
    And while in Vietnam it was not possible to carry out precise strikes with cruise or hypersonic missiles, today it is a reality.

    The Russians from Kaliningrad can send towards some German airport 50 cruise missiles which at the price do not cost the Russians more than one Su-34 and who do you think will reach the goal first, one Su-30SM/Su-34 or Su-35S or 50 cruise missiles ?

    The whole western story is basically based on "we have the most planes" and the story of how those planes are untouchable is just a punctured condom.
    Both the Su-34 and the Su-30SM or Su-35S fly at about the same altitudes and speeds as the F-15/16/18 or that French junk the Serbs want to buy. I'm not sure that the Su-34 is a problem at all because the Su-34 has the same problem as all the above mentioned planes. Aviation is the problem.
    Whatever happened at Saki Airport is another indication of the vulnerability of aviation.
    It is far more cost effective to invest in dozens of cruise missiles for the price of one fighter jet or a few hypersonic missiles and blow up a valuable target like a surface warship.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue May 02, 2023 7:46 pm

    Lmao podlodka is the most illiterate guy on the forum

    For this guy to be whining about subs and then say aviation is useless basically sums up the contribution to the forum

    Senseless

    Aviation has contributed the bulk of demilitarization and denazification to the conflict, not subs

    Glide bombs are decimating Ukrainian forces , and you want the politicians to spend on a useless force like the VMF lmao

    In case you have not noticed, the Russian aviation and the army are the swords of Russia,

    The navy is an afterthought and always will be

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue May 02, 2023 7:50 pm

    Who shakes your cage, Ukrop ?

    I have never had any respect for aviation and I write about it all the time.
    Yes, submarines at least have tremendous destructive power and their very existence is a warning not to go on crazy adventures.
    Don't waste your time with me because I don't want to write with cunts.

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    Post  Backman Tue May 02, 2023 7:57 pm

    Prigozhin is off his rocker again. Publicizing deaths of Wagners to use as leverage and stupidity like that. He's lucky that Russia isn't a mad gangster state. The US would have had him killed before he went off once if he was on their side.

    I kinda like the guy in a way, but this shit is way TF out of line and has to f'ing stop.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue May 02, 2023 8:02 pm

    Whatever dude keep crying about the useless navy lmao

    Glad politicians don't waste our money on VMF incompetence



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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue May 02, 2023 8:07 pm

    To Arkhangelsk...

    Which "our politicians", do you mean the politicians of Ukroshitstan ?


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue May 02, 2023 8:15 pm

    Russian politicians fully understand the useless position of the VMF

    In a time of high inflation, economic war, and a real war on the border, you want more money for the VMF?

    Serbia is a goner, but Russia is not yet

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    Post  Isos Tue May 02, 2023 8:21 pm

    Funny, not long ago when I said su-34 is outdated and can't face modern threats vecause of its huge RCS uou were the one saying it was a fantastic aircraft used all over Ukraine.

    You finnally used your brain.

    I totally agree. Ten pocket drones like Lancet will easily destroy 10 planes at the begining of a war if operated correctly within enemy territory by special forces.

    Aviation can still be good for stand off attacks and employing cheaper cruise missiles but its not a mist have anymore.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue May 02, 2023 8:21 pm

    To Ukrop

    Serbia is a goner ? Laughing Laughing Laughing
    But well, we Serbs knew decades ago that your Ukroshitstans are no "brothers" to the Russians.
    In Russia, only those who admire Lenin's mausoleum still believe in that.
    Unfortunately, there are still plenty of such liberals and red shits.




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