Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42

Firebird wrote:Absolutely ridiculous.

Around 12m left the Pukraine, roughly have westward, half to Russia.
Around 10m of the Ukraine's area joined Russia.
Some of those are in both categories.
So over half of the Ukraine's population is now gone from KIev's jurisdiction.

The idea that middle ground "Ukrainians" let alone the pro Russian half somehow see Nazis as "protectors" sounds like the type of tripe that would be written on the BBC or CNN sites.

Its hard to be publicly "pro Russian" if it risks u getting your head blown off. It really is as simple as that.
If the Bandera regime was so popular it wouldnt need to ban 12 political parties, 3 news stations, commit mass murder etc etc.

People don't change such deeply held views just because some cocksucker points a gun at their head. Half the Pukraine was pro Russian in 2014 and  half of that geography still is today. Its basic common sense, and verifiably from the key facts as well.

As for the vermin that want to suck Nazi cock, well they'll end up dead, or **** off to Poland to clean toilets, or can enjoy the modern equivalenrt of long term prison labour. Russia will be in no rush to turn the trash into fine upstanding Russians. As long as they are de-armed, have faced justice and have been segregated geographically from the actual Russians and reasonable Pukrainians it doesn't really matter. These things took decades in previous centuries, there is no rush. Russia has started the job, it has progressed, it might as well finish the job properly. Because such opportunities don't happen often.

Lord save us from such an opportunity. And I had hoped that he might do. Evidently however the war was destined to take place and Putin signed a trap for himself with the same Minsk agreement.

And this S-E of the Ukraine then, where the opportunity is, what does it avail of itself? Pure territory? Well sure, but Russia has enough of that already, more than it knows what to do with. The only value here is the access to Pridnestrovie which unlike S-E Ukraine never tolerated no Nazis patrolling its streets and recruiting more people to their ranks.
Agricultural land specifically? Sure, but whatever is left of the Ukraine will probably dam up the Dnepr upstream anyway or put pesticides in the water or whatever retarded policy. And again Russia has enough agricultural land. The main issue is the lack of hands to toil it with.
Which brings me to people. You can assume that many of the Ukro loyalists will vote with their feet and head to Europe to live, but many won't. Even now with combat all over the place, you still have people ready to feed co-ordinates and intelligence to the Ukrainian army, or assassinate pro-Moscow officials, and this sort of thing will likely continue after the war. Over a huge area. In the best case scenario Russia will have some 10 new million citizens from annexing all these regions (excluding the Donbass here which I consider separately). Sure, they will provide some economic value. But the emigration has been very significant, it will continue, both to Europe and to other parts of Russia, and endemic problems there such as alcholism, high crimerates and low birthrates will continue. It will take huge economic investment and much time to reverse these trends. And again, you're lording over a population among whom a considerable number don't want you there, and where those people on your side might be intimidated by Ukrainian nationalist fanatics.
Well the final value of S-E Ukraine are its industrial enterprises. But frankly, what of those that the last 30 years hasn't scattered to the winds yet, this war probably will do, and is doing.

@flamming_python

Whether Odessa & Nikolaev are pro-Kiev Nazi strongholds or not is completely irrelevant. These lands need to be taken to landlock the Ukraine and remove the threat they pose to Crimea.

In time, their children and grandchildren will learn to be Russian (again) and eventually love Russia, just like the Chechens whom are (in my opinion) much better people overall than the limp-wristed, liberal 5th/6th column trash that couldn't flee fast enough when this conflict started to countries who hate them on a visceral level for their ethnicity.

Kinda disappointed that Russia has not passed any legislation in response to the ICC. For example an arrest warrant against ICC prosecutors that can be enforces anywhere and at any time including use of force.

Broski wrote:@flamming_python

Whether Odessa & Nikolaev are pro-Kiev Nazi strongholds or not is completely irrelevant. These lands need to be taken to landlock the Ukraine and remove the threat they pose to Crimea.

In time, their children and grandchildren will learn to be Russian (again) and eventually love Russia, just like the Chechens whom are (in my opinion) much better people overall than the limp-wristed, liberal 5th/6th column trash that couldn't flee fast enough when this conflict started to countries who hate them on a visceral level for their ethnicity.

Well yes Russia might have to. Some opportunity though

Kiko wrote:....Just try to avoid personal insults, please! Despite differences of opinion, this is a gentlemen's Forum!

Like hell it is

higurashihougi wrote:

papadragon wrote:Population isn't under Nazi regime, population ARE Nazis

If the population were Nazi then they would have voluntarily joining the battlefield en masses and the Maidan regime would not have resorted to brutal kidnapping to force its population to join the battlefield like they are doing now.

They have been getting slaughtered for over a year and are still not running out of manpower

It's as joining en masse as it gets

higurashihougi wrote:...My apologize but I strongly believe that your hypothesis and suggestion do not match the realities of the war.

The Maidan regime's propaganda is telling you that the population are supporting Maidan's criminal war effort and you expect them to tell the truth ?...

Even protest and insubordination videos from AFU all end with ''Slava Ukraine''

It's as real and truthful as it gets

higurashihougi wrote:...Do you honestly believe that Nazi thugs and criminals terrorizing their own people are the true representative of Ukrainian sentiment ?

Yes

Firebird wrote:...The peace is the easy part in all this.

That kind of peace will be Russia's death sentence

Ukrainians need to be terminated permanently

Kill as many as you can for as long as you can and only stop when all that remains are ones unable to procreate

i doubt the love of russia is that important for Russia. They will grab land and population will adapt. Those who don't like them will go away, those who don't care will stay.

You must be dumb to think Russia is doing this war just for the love of russians in Ukraine. They seized the opportunity to bring back some big part of land even if the main motive was countering US ingerence in the country.

As a nuclear great power and historic military power, each reason taken alone would be enough to justify this war. It just so happens that there is a lot of reasons for this war. There's even a religious component.

The main reason for the war is this. Non recognition of Crimea as Russia. And the US, UK/Nato building naval bases miles from it. Clearly the US and UK were going to support Ukraine in a future takeover of Crimea. And this would lead to nuclear war if not delt with now.

The last 8 years of training the Ukraine army and planned attack of the Donbas was just about taking Donbas back. Not Crimea. Crimea was to be the next phase, some years down the road again.

Sorry if it's been asked already and I missed it.
But I was wondering if anyone knows the model of drones that hit the Kremlin on May 3rd. and their estimated explosive carrying capacity?

I am curious if they could actually have done serious damage to the building.

То Papadragon...


Yes, the majority of the population of Ukroshitstan are Nazis and I did not dispute that.
The problem is that the SOME Russians from this forum still inherit a stinking red vermin ideology and a heretical attitude towards their religion and country.
I have written and repeated it a million times; the Reds and the Nazis are the same for me because both of them killed the Russians.

I blame the Russians for the following...
Russians are MUCH more burdened by Western brands than Serbs and Russians use English words MUCH more in their correspondence than us Serbs. It's not even for comparison.
Russians in Moscow are NOT able to give a fucking skyscraper a Russian name. I am afraid that the Russians have a bigger identity crisis than us Serbs.

Prigozihn completely off his rocker now. He's gonna be snuffed out. That's just how these things work on most of history. Even George Patton went out that way

He's screaming at the top of his lungs , surrounded by dead bodies and yelling Grismov and Shoigus names 

 

Since the US seems to have no reservations of surrounding Russia with nuclear weapons, I wonder if Russia will undertake a "Damocles" project where they loft several satellites into low earth orbit with have nuclear warheads on them. They will be orbiting regularly above the US and be able to strike the US capital in about 3 mins as they will already be travelling at about mach 20 in orbit. Perhaps Russia can give the West an ultimatum, either open up the sites to regular inspection, or they will deploy this type of nuke into space to level the strategic imbalance.

To GUNSHIPDEMOCRACY

How do you imagine the advance of the Russian army towards Odessa now, considering that the Russians have withdrawn from the left bank of the Dnieper ?
My friend, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk are still far away - Odessa is in a completely different galaxy..

I've been writing for months that no one needs a half-empty city, but even if the Russians conquer it, more than half of the population will leave Odessa.
Kharkov is much closer to Russia, but there are no rumors or indications (at least at the moment) that the Russians will conquer that city.
And even if you conquer Kharkov and Odessa, you still have Chernigov and Sumy region on the border with Russia, so it's not good again.

It's too expensive an adventure now, but I don't think the territory is the goal. If the Russians aim to kill every Ukroshitstan who is willing to fight against Russia - THAT'S GREAT FOR ME. The Russians probably aim to kill as many yellow and blue nazi vermin as possible and I respect that very much.
I despise that blue-yellow "state".

The Russians are calculating something and only they know why they are doing it, but my OPINION is that a bigger conflict is definitely coming and that is why they are calculating. And fucking Odessa and fucking Kharkov are completely irrelevant.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

mnztr wrote:

Hole wrote:
New batch ready

Is the current standard the 100mm + 30 mm auto cannons?

for BMP-3 it has always been.

I have seen some vids where its just 30mm auto cannon with ATGMs. Is that just an export model?

Backman wrote:Prigozihn completely off his rocker now. He's gonna be snuffed out. That's just how these things work on most of history. Even George Patton went out that way

He's screaming at the top of his lungs , surrounded by dead bodies and yelling Grismov and Shoigus names 

 

https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1654254179785768961?t=a-rlwayFbbWAmQh7YbFdFg&s=19

As they get closer to finishing off the Ukes in Artyomovsk, the Wagner forces have been taking heavy casualties. He has been quoting up to 100 per day so has a right to feel frustrated.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

mnztr wrote:

I have seen some vids where its just 30mm auto cannon with ATGMs. Is that just an export model?

if it has only 30mm gun its  not BMPs-3. There were BMP3k  Lynx (Rys) with 30mm gun and AGTM only but it is a modification not same a s BMP3.

https://twitter.com/Project1144/status/1104510841897009152?s=20

https://vpk.name/library/f/brm-3k.html

Don't believe the BMP-3K Lynx was ever adopted for mass production.

NOTE: has been reported the past couple of days that the production of BMP-3's for the first quarter was higher then total 2019 production. Not sure of exact numbers for 2019 but the contract for 2018-2019 was for 200 new builds and >100 rebuilds.

The Deputy Minister of Defense became the Deputy Commander of PMC "Wagner"
General Mikhail Mizintsev joined E. Prigozhin's company
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/44188

https://t.me/vicktop55/15040

NOTE: General Mizintsey just left the position as Deputy Minister in charge of MTO (logistics). Prior to that he built and managed the new National Defense Command Center in Moscow.