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    Post  Tolstoy Wed May 03, 2023 3:14 pm

    Long said, Pantsir should not have been removed from that strategic location on top of that building. Had also posted the images. One such Pantsir would have been able to cover the entire airspace over Moscow. Kremlin had specific intelligence that high value assets in Moscow will be targeted. The upgraded Pantsir were meant to thwart attacks carried out by loitering munitions and drones.

    Due to heightened security on the ground those Ukro Nazis could not carry out the strike in the morning. Now those bustards have fled. Police/FSB is cordoning off areas close to the Oblast area. That's where they may be hiding.

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    Post  Broski Wed May 03, 2023 3:15 pm

    Like Herpes, the Doomers just keep coming back! Please go back to F-16.net or the Drive already, lol.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed May 03, 2023 3:17 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:To Ucmvulcan...

    The Russians could have done it A LONG TIME ago and razed all of Kiev to the ground, but they didn't want to and they obviously think that it won't give the desired result.
    The Russians know that a good part of the population (which is not the majority though) of Ukroshitstan is powerless and that they have the Nazi regime against them and the entire West that protects that regime - a difficult situation for that people.
    The West is indirectly or more or less directly at war with Russia and shows open indications that it wants to contain China as well.
    This is shitshow with no end in sight.

    You know, you are right. Speaking of long ago, back in 2014 I said that Ukraine would be the gateway to world war iii. I also felt that it would eventually go nuclear. Part of the rules of the Cold War was that you could fight all the proxy wars you wanted but you did not ever let your proxies try for a decapitation strike no matter how feeble it was in execution. This thing is beyond dangerous and I think NATO wants this to escalate into a nuclear inferno.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed May 03, 2023 3:21 pm

    Tolstoy wrote:It's not about embarrassment, it's about the severe threat. These drones will detonate on impact. Meaning even if EW prevents it from hitting the intended target it will still fall somewhere close and the resulting blast will kill several people.

    Do you realise how close the Kremlin is to the Ploshchad Revolutsii or Okhotny Ryad metro station or the access road that lead to the Red Square? The entire central Moscow area would have been shut down.

    If the drone fell on any of these areas hundreds would have been killed.  Just that the operators couldn't release it during peak rush hour.

    Well there you go you answered your own question. The operators couldn't release it during peak rush hour, or had no reason to.
    And where the drone ended up is over the Kremlin at night killing nobody.

    Smuggling a sophisticated drone into Russia isn't the most risk-free of tasks, even keeping in mind the porous border currently between the Ukraine, Kherson/Zaporozhie regions and Russia, so it's in the operators interests to actually do what they set out to do and not have their drone be spotted and downed over some crowded area.


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    Post  flamming_python Wed May 03, 2023 3:23 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:You know, you are right.  Speaking of long ago, back in 2014 I said that Ukraine would be the gateway to world war iii.  I also felt that it would eventually go nuclear.  Part of the rules of the Cold War was that you could fight all the proxy wars you wanted but you did not ever let your proxies try for a decapitation strike no matter how feeble it was in execution.  This thing is beyond dangerous and I think NATO wants this to escalate into a nuclear inferno.  

    Germany also said a few days ago that it doesn't support the Ukraine carrying out strikes in Russia. Which is a change from their previous position

    Trying to cover their own ass basically. They knew the Ukraine or Washington through it would carry out some stunt along these lines

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed May 03, 2023 3:26 pm

    To Ucmvulcan-Spock.... welcome

    That "levelling" of Kiev has been the topic of the forum countless times; Moscow, Saki, Crimean bridge, etc.
    You are an objective person, as far as I can see from your work so far, but to be honest with you - I often think about the "levelling" of Kiev, just like you.

    I think that the Russians are still "sparing" the people in Ukroshitstan and that the MAIN problem in that country is that the people are in a very difficult situation.
    Having the Nazi government against you and the West protecting that government at all costs is a difficult situation.
    That's why leveling Kiev is not an option for the Russians.



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    Post  Tolstoy Wed May 03, 2023 3:30 pm

    flamming_python wrote:And where the drone ended up is over the Kremlin at night killing nobody.
    To close for comfort. I disagree with what some local TV stations are suggesting that Putin and his inner circle were the intended target. The drone could have killed a few staff working at the Kremlin, easily.

    The Presidential Control Directorate's office is just below the flag mast.

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    Post  sepheronx Wed May 03, 2023 3:37 pm

    It's rather funny people think the outcome would work as the Ukros and US think it would.

    If let's say Putin was offed by such a move, it wouldn't create a power vacuum like they think it would. Prigozin isn't a politician. Kadyrov isn't in the Kremlin itself but head of a region. No, it would simply fall on the security council who would place a temporary leader then move to elections, all the while the heat would increase significantly as it would force the hand of Russia to strike directly at Kievs government and military HQ's.

    This move was a token attempt for PR as they know this. If they did actually kill Putin, it would be so dire for Ukraine and possibly NATO as a whole. And the liberal 5th column in Russia who are doing these on behest of US, would be hunted down and worst punishment would occur than ever before, and those godless worms are more afraid than anything.

    Anyway, this token attempt was a failure but also a success for both sides. Failure for Russia for having such internal enemies causing trouble, failure of Russian FSB for not hammering down harder on trying to find traitors, but success in preventing damage. Success for Ukraine as they try to instill terror and it seems to work on some of our forum members. But failed in whatever it's objective was to create damage.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 03, 2023 3:40 pm

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    Self-propelled guns were completely ineffective in bad weather, the newspaper writes. Self-propelled guns get stuck in the mud and cannot get out because of the rubber pads on the tracks.

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    Post  mr_hd Wed May 03, 2023 4:21 pm

    About drone in Kremlin: Ukraine has fully right to strike anything inside of Russia as long as Russian troops are on its territory and as long as Russia is shooting long range attacks on Ukrainian territory among other things. Nothing there to think about it, it is international war from day 1.

    For me it is good sign that Ukraine is careful to keep freedom of its own action and not become too dependent on the West; Idiots in Kremlin knew this will come months ago if not from the very start. There is no reason that drones are falling on Kyiv and would not on Moscow too - occasionally.

    Now Ukraine needs to be able to make more drones on long terms and they need to be able to survive longer against sophisticated electronic countermeasures for example...

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    Post  famschopman Wed May 03, 2023 4:28 pm

    Some guys here are way too impatient. Any imbecile can launch a small commercial drone with some explosives and fly it to the Kremlin.

    Some guys just don't see it and certainly don't blame you because it's not obvious and for most complex to understand how. What you see here is the Gerasimov doctrine at play where non-military tactics are not supplementary to use of force but in fact the preferred way and should be seen as the actual war.

    Building BRICS, full control and alignment in the OPEC+ on reducing oil output and boosting cost per barrel. Building a military partnership with China, India.

    Attrition to the point where Ukraine exchanged all their land and assets for foreign help - you didn't think they were donations or presents right?. Assets that will be acquired eventually by Russia; a huge financial loss for the Western sponsors. All while the US dollar is losing value shockingly fast and where US interest on debt has recently surpassed tax income and the FED still raising rates.

    Sometimes the best thing you can do is just wait. Strong defensive lines have been created along the entire front. Ukraine received a couple of tanks, whether outdated or not it does not matter, it's insignificant to change the tide. Zelensky and Co. are increasingly under pressure to do 'something' to please their stakeholders. Meanwhile Russia can build up new communities, provide drinking water, win the hearts of any doubters and move pieces on the chess board.

    Either the so called 'offensive' takes place, you win, and you advance your pieces on the chessboard or you wait a bit for the dollar to completely collapse - and the signs are there that we are really not that far away; also printing money has limits - and support for Ukraine becomes financially unsustainable and you move forward.

    Patience my little padawans. Patience.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed May 03, 2023 4:37 pm

    То MR HD

    Again this Nazi-lover....
    You are the asshole who OPENLY wrote that he supports Ukroshitstan in this conflict.
    You are a man who hates Russia, it is instilled in you.
    Yes, just to add that the stick has two ends and if you get hit on the head today or tomorrow - maybe you will come to your senses.
    He who digs a pit for another man often falls into it himself.
    Probably the culprit for this entire conflict is EXACTLY the country in which you live and from whose means of information you are completely poisoned.


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    Post  Backman Wed May 03, 2023 4:46 pm

    If a drone attack on the Kremlin doesn't result in leveling the US embassy in Kiev then something is wrong. Actions need to have consequences. And no. It's not an "act of war". And even if it is, who the f*ck cares ? What's the US gonna do

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    Post  Hole Wed May 03, 2023 4:49 pm

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    Massive damage. Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Backman Wed May 03, 2023 5:10 pm


    For me it is good sign that Ukraine is careful to keep freedom of its own action and not become too dependent on the West;

    https://www.geopolitika.ru/en/news/putin-95-world-terrorist-attacks-are-made-cia

    Ukraine didn't do terrorism until the CIA set up shop in Kiev you dunce. Nobody with any self interest in Kiev would do an attack like this. Imagine being an SBU officer going to the office this morning. Or a govt official. Zelensky is probably back in his bunker. It was the CIA. It always is. Give your head a shake.

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    Post  Isos Wed May 03, 2023 5:14 pm

    Actually Ukrainian gov is full of fanatics. Even Zelensky can't stop them.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed May 03, 2023 5:16 pm

    To Backman.....

    Greetings to you and don't take this message of mine as a criticism.
    What do you get for destroying a fucking American embassy ?
    This is the cowardly American approach, the approach of the country that "defeated" Japan with two atomic bombs.
    Let the Westerners believe in their software, planes and other shit, even though they come back from every military adventure in the last couple of decades like a broken whore.
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    Post  nomadski Wed May 03, 2023 5:43 pm

    By itself , this " attack " is not significant . But the tactic is significant . It means some agents can hit fixed target with small lethal explosion . Therefore published schedule for politicians in fixed locations X , Y , Z , must never be real . Small time or place change in schedule , will defeat this tactic . Here is fireworks for future defeat of Orcs over Moscow . Also means open parades , for public should stop for now . Retaliation should follow against the Orcs .



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l9LWvJgxy5M&pp=ygUaRmlyZXdvcmtzIG5ldyB5ZWFyIGtyZW1saW4%3D

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    Post  zorobabel Wed May 03, 2023 6:14 pm

    UK military plane flying near Crimea turned off its transponder.

    https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1653793970441408512

    Multiple drones spotted over Crimea with air defense systems active. Multiple drones over Moscow.

    Seems like defenses are being probed in preparation for the counteroffensive.

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    Post  famschopman Wed May 03, 2023 6:18 pm

    Nothing new or surprising right. They could land a small drone on that A-50 as well. It's impossible to cover every corner of the street with a Pantsir; let alone the risk for people around it getting hit with debris (or ear drum damage).

    Right now, in Moscow, there are probably a dozen actors of groups involved in these types of attacks. Some will be caught, some are careful enough to remain undetected. This will happen more and more.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed May 03, 2023 6:33 pm

    You can deploy EW means to jam all these things

    But you'll probably jam the whole cellphone and Wi-Fi network for Moscow while you're at it

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    Post  Backman Wed May 03, 2023 6:52 pm

    What do you get for destroying a  American embassy ?

    It is just not typical for great powers to sustain symbolic attacks like this without returning the favor. You'd get dead US diplomats that are coordinating a war on Russia. You'd kill and destroy a lot of the intellectual capacity that is running the country. All the relevant ministries of the country are being run out of the US embassy. This is why US embassies have 600-1000 employees. They aren't processing passports in there.

    What would the US do in return ? Sanctions ?

    Russia is trying to fight a diplomatic war. While the other side is doing the exact opposite. Anything on Ukraine soil is fair game and not really a big escalation. So again, Kinzal the US embassy.


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    Post  Lapain Wed May 03, 2023 6:52 pm

    Meh! Some roof barely scathed, this would be embarassing even on May 9th, for the Ukies!

    The aim is exactly to bring out the doomers and nationalists alight and force the Kremlin to do some stupid maneuver.

    As long as there is no massive civilian damage, there is no need to take the bait, just let the Ukies make their own stupid maneuvers then scoop up the remnants.


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    Post  sepheronx Wed May 03, 2023 6:53 pm

    famschopman wrote:Nothing new or surprising right. They could land a small drone on that A-50 as well. It's impossible to cover every corner of the street with a Pantsir; let alone the risk for people around it getting hit with debris (or ear drum damage).

    Right now, in Moscow, there are probably a dozen actors of groups involved in these types of attacks. Some will be caught, some are careful enough to remain undetected. This will happen more and more.

    This is where the security intelligence apparatus needs to be greatly expanded in Russia to sniff these culprits out

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    Post  Backman Wed May 03, 2023 7:00 pm

    Well folks, I have news for you...all these attacks on Moscow, on Krasnodar, Bryansk, Daria Daguna and the rest, you see, it wasn't done by Ukraine, they only fight on their own turf.  There you have it, from the horse's mouth himself.  

    ▪“I can repeat this message. I think it will be clear to everyone: we are not attacking Putin or Moscow, we are fighting on our territory,” the President of Ukraine said.

    One of the telegram channels posted this. Not sure if they were trying to be ironic but they are right. The CIA's 2023 budget is 65 billion. Think of the kind of bribes and shit that you could be handing out with unlimited money.

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