Russian special military operation in Ukraine #34
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Offensive will happen. Again, they have to liberate at least the Donbass since they accepted it into Russia. You can not take the Donbass with defensive tactics. One day or another they will have to push. They can't take out all the ukrainian soldiers from defensive positions. No offensive and the war will transform into a border clash and make donbass a no man's zone, a bit like North Karabakh or Kashmir region which are disputed for decades.
Putin doesn't want such thing as a wound into Russia that nato will keep puting salt on. Because that's what it is. He has to push back ukrainian forces far from the Donbass. If not Nato will keep sending weapons and ukrainians will keep bombing civilians there.
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Short reminder to anyone that Russia took 20% of 404 with roughly 150.000 men, one third of which were DPR/LPR forces back then. Against the fully deployed Ukro army
and NATO recon stuff. The additional 300.000+ troops will go a long way against the leftover cannon fodder and their mostly destroyed rear services.



Kurganmash is working. Producing your own weapons is really nice.
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Yep, not having to wait on Sugardaddy NATO to gift you more hand-me-down weapons from their 40+ year old stock.Kurganmash is working. Producing your own weapons is really nice.
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A quote from Angela Merkel
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Its almost as if Kiev is onside with the Russians demilitarisation plan.
They must be stark staring mad.
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They also where going to get involved in Syria.
Ukraine was a frozen conflict which wasn't in need for an intervention. Syria was much more important.
Putin trusted no one. Minsk was also about giving time to Russia to finish its work in Syria. Once the work was done there, they started taking care of Ukraine.
Moreover Minsk was between Russia France and Germany. Since France nd Germany can't decide for Ukraine, US being the master, Minsk had 0 value. US were and are the master abd the one taking decisions. Russia knows and knew it very well.
The nazis where also well trained in 2014 and the regular army is just as shitty today than it was back in 2014.
The weapons they received from the west came only since feb 2022.
All that bullshit about Russia not prepared and not seeing anything is dumb. They have their analysts and they made their choices. Some mistakes for sure but they knew very well what they did. Much more than some dumbass from twitter.
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What is the reason for the pause in the use of "Geraniums" on the facilities of the AFU and the energy infrastructure of #Ukraine? Is there a climatic factor? To what extent these devices are operable in sub-zero temperatures?



There are rumors circulating more and more that #Zaporizhzhya NPP will either be handed over to #Ukraine or will be placed under direct management of IAEA. Is that scenario acceptable to #Russia and what impact would it have on energy supply to the "square"?



https://t.me/sitreports/1766
Russian troops are advancing in #Artemovsk. At the same time, news of the "collapse of the Ukrainian defence" has repeatedly emerged. Is the Ukrainian command ready to abandon the town or does it plan to hold it despite losses?



To secure #Donetsk, we need to move west:
If #Artemovsk is liberated by the Russian army, will this reduce the threat to #Donetsk in terms of artillery shelling of the DPR capital?


https://t.me/sitreports/1767
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Enemy militants, in turn, shelled Golaya Pristan and the #Kakhovka region.
https://t.me/sitreports/1770
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That's fine. Each side has its own view, of course.Isos wrote:Pretty dumb assumptions. In 2014 Russia was weajer than today with far less weapons including less Iskanders and Kalibr launchers and very few su-35.
They also where going to get involved in Syria.
Ukraine was a frozen conflict which wasn't in need for an intervention. Syria was much more important.
Putin trusted no one. Minsk was also about giving time to Russia to finish its work in Syria. Once the work was done there, they started taking care of Ukraine.
Moreover Minsk was between Russia France and Germany. Since France nd Germany can't decide for Ukraine, US being the master, Minsk had 0 value. US were and are the master abd the one taking decisions. Russia knows and knew it very well.
The nazis where also well trained in 2014 and the regular army is just as shitty today than it was back in 2014.
The weapons they received from the west came only since feb 2022.
All that bullshit about Russia not prepared and not seeing anything is dumb. They have their analysts and they made their choices. Some mistakes for sure but they knew very well what they did. Much more than some dumbass from twitter.
As we can tell from the quote from Angela Merkel (probably the most influential EU figure in the last 40 years), the West sees the 8 years of frozen conflict as a major win.
Ukraine only losing 20% of its territory when half the population was pro-Rus in 2014 is definitely considered a win.
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Now Ukraine has better soldiers but for what ? Can they rebuild what was destroyed even if they win ? They estimate the losses to 500 billion $ and it's only a war on the east. Once they start pushing and smashing all their infrastructure in the western part it will be 1.5 trillion at least.
West will never pay that. They never paid for Lybian or Iraqi infrastructures they destroyed themselves and occupied the countries let alone rebuild Ukraine.
Ukrainians better beg now Russia to help them because in the case Ukraine "won" and russia stick with the 20% it seized only it will be left destroyed and thry will have no economy for the next 50 years. It will take them 100 years to rebuild an average country.
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Yesterday's strikes, see here the


Up to half of consumers are without power supply, while the rest are supplied at limited intervals. But due to the state of the networks, outage schedules are hardly respected. Emergency outages due to network and equipment overloads occur very often.

Today we can state that this assumption turned out to be correct: by the morning, power supply had already been restored in part of #Odessa's districts and critical infrastructure facilities. The remaining operational autotransformers continue to transmit electricity to 110 kV networks.

Despite the developed network of substations and the presence of several thermal power plant sand the #Kiev hydroelectric power plant, the situation with electricity supply in the city and the region has failed to stabilise. Apparently, the cumulative effect of previous strikes on the capital's energy infrastructure is taking its toll.

Therefore, when powerful strikes hit Sumy 330 and Sumy North 330 substation, practically the entire region is left without electricity. Something can be transferred through the 110 kV networks, but their capacity cannot compensate for the loss of 330 kV transmission.
🩸 Despite alarmist reports from Ukraine of almost eighty missiles being fired, yesterday's strike was neither the most massive nor the most destructive. Due to the competent work of the Ukrainian power engineers, the consequences were mitigated, but by no means completely negated.
Whereas only a month ago the Ukrainian energy system was comfortably holding on to scheduled customer outages, now things are not so rosy. Throughout the country, outages are emergency and unpredictable. Full operation of industry and transport in such conditions is difficult, though still possible.
https://t.me/sitreports/1779
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Since this attack was an obvious US engineered probing effort of Russian defenses, Russia would have negative
incentive to show all its cards. It is sad that four people died, but giving the US key military information that
it can use to attack Russia comes first. They should have warned their people to get out of the way, but that
would have given the satellite spies information. The amount of damage done was small so the deaths look like
a freak event. War always involves such losses.
I suppose my point can be fobbed off with the argument that Russia does not need to hide its strength. But there
are only so many solutions to missile defense problems. So giving away the distribution of Russian SAM systems
is a loss. The US has been harping about missile defense for over three decades. This includes the much less
publicized neutralization of Russia's missile defenses. The US has known about the USSR's and Russia's ABM
capability since the 1950s and there is no way they just ignored it. The talk about taking out Russia's nuclear
strike ability must be grounded on something other than masturbatory fantasies. So the deterrent against a
US war of extermination is not just about Russia's nukes, it is also about its ability to defend against any US
attack on those nukes.
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Their AD and radar forces **** up. Only luck saved those planes. If the drone fell 5 meter closer that kh-22 would have gone kaboom.
They say they intercepted the drones but too late it seems since they hit close to the targets. So last second interception at best.
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umvulcan wrote:
1. I don't normally deal in what ifs. I mean if my aunt had testicles she'd be my uncle or else she'd be some nonbinary person that the politically correct police would give special protections to.
2. However, for sake of argument, you are describing a dirty bomb. From all I can gather about those, the conventional ordinance is far more destructive and lethal than the radioactive material and since Russia has some of the best NBC [nuclear, biological, and chemical] disinfectant equipment in the world the plane would be sprayed down, and put back into service within days assuming no structural damage and really the flight and ground crews would be decontaminated by being hosed down. That's it. Dirty bombs are not the same thing as nukes. The main threat is the blast by the conventional ordinance. Trust me, dirty bombs were the stuff of nightmares in American media after 9/11. Then people did studies that showed how fairly impractical they were and how little radiation they actually could hold. Look radiocative waste is not something anyone wants but there is a vast difference between it and fissable material.
3. If I were Putin and they used a dirty bomb, well the orders get changed a bit and so I not only cut Ukraine off from the sea I also launch quick attacks to seize their NPPs and Belarus gets a bit bigger. Dirty bombs are a dare, but they are not a nuclear exchange worthy response.
I think you are missing the point.
It's not about a dirty bomb repercussions per se, it's about the fact that the Ukrainian drone managed to damage Engels airbase at all, and was not intercepted until it got there.
Engels is not just any old airbase, it's a key facility, it's part of Russia's nuclear deterrence.
Russia considers conventional attacks on it's nuclear weapons, to be regarded as the first use of weapons of mass destruction, and therefore can retaliate using nuclear weapons.
If it was a dirty bomb, that would have disabled a key facility.
I am sure heads will roll about letting the drone reach the airbase.
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lets see how next year will be.

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I see that Bandera's Christmas wishlist is being fulfilled by the little gremlins of Washington DC at the expense of US taxpayers. Nice to know that the number of artillery shells the US will be sending to the Ukraine is what Russia uses in 15 days, talk about losing the war of attrition.lets see how next year will be.
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You do not know what Russia needs to hide. It is not about mobility but response ability. The US wants such data. Russia is not
staging probing attacks into the US to obtain data on its response ability. Likely one of the reasons for the US stage managing the
Ukraine war is to probe Russia's defense ability and its military fighting ability. Russia has been deliberately not sending its best
equipment into Ukraine and limiting its engagement. So clearly there is an issue with information outflow which needs to be managed.
The incompetence theory is tin foil hat nonsense. Cliches about how the simplest explanation is true and how stupidity supposedly
explains everything are lame. Reductionist crap that is all about disengaging intellectual activity.
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