Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30

limb wrote:
These are extremely dangerous. Very high rate of fire, upwards of 30 rpm, very mobile, long range(40+km), much better than the akatsiya and gvozdika trash and 25km max range MSTA  80% aof which russian artillery units use.  

Oh really? I bet these archers are extremely extremely dangerous if we go by your outrageous stats with its very very high high rate of fire and machine gun like rpm

30 rpm?? I just did a quick search and all sources show the Archer as having 8-9 rpm MAX. You pathetic LIAR.  

limb wrote:
Not a single western artillery piece has ever been destroyed by russian loitering munitions, while plenty of soviet SPGs  in ukrainian service have been destroyed by lancets and gerans. This proves the superiority of western SPGs.  

You forgot to mention how western SPGs have Protoss shields

Destroyed launchers of S-300PT air defense systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Dnipropetrovsk region
https://t.me/intelslava/39988?single

PhSt wrote:

limb wrote:
These are extremely dangerous. Very high rate of fire, upwards of 30 rpm, very mobile, long range(40+km), much better than the akatsiya and gvozdika trash and 25km max range MSTA  80% aof which russian artillery units use.  

Oh really? I bet these archers are extremely extremely dangerous if we go by your outrageous stats with its very very high high rate of fire and machine gun like rpm

30 rpm?? I just did a quick search and all sources show the Archer as having 8-9 rpm MAX. You pathetic LIAR.  

limb wrote:
Not a single western artillery piece has ever been destroyed by russian loitering munitions, while plenty of soviet SPGs  in ukrainian service have been destroyed by lancets and gerans. This proves the superiority of western SPGs.  

You forgot to mention how western SPGs have Protoss shields

My mistake. The swedish bandkanone has actually 18rpm. The archer has 12rpm(3 rounds every 15 seconds). still far higher than akatsiya with 5rpm or msta S with 6 rpm.

Not protoss shields. Just far superior  range than vast majority of russian artillery,together with actual digital FCS systems instead of shitty scopes, analogue computers and notebooks the russians use for 90% of their guns, makes them nigh unhittable before they change position. Also russians almost never use the smerch for counterbattery, and their helos can never find the western artillery.

Belisarius wrote:

Destroyed launchers of S-300PT air defense systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Dnipropetrovsk region
https://t.me/intelslava/39988?single

Thankfully not decoys. They could be old pics from summer tho

Assuming that's the case. Maybe that's because there are **** load more Soviet SPG's about then the western supplied ones ? Especially on the front lines.

Wrong. Ukraine completely relies on 155mm NATO ammo. It completely ran out of soviet 152mm ammo.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Russian missiles, guided arty shells, loitering munitions etc just freak out when they approach a western-manufactured artillery piece.

"S**a b**t, I thought I was fired against an ugly D-30 or a 2S3, not a beautiful western M777 or M109 damn it, I'm calling it quits!"

Well a lancet missed a m109 in the last second so make of that what you will.

you know sometimes i give a little benefit of a doubt or a 1% for something like Ukraine winning the war but the news I received today just pushes my certainity to 100% when western politicians are acting like doomers.

Democrats were going to send a letter to biden regarding negotations with Putin about the ukraine war but pulled it back.

Macron of course has a pro-ukraine stance and him wanting the pope to have a say in the negotations with Putin and Zelensky than himself just proves that the negotations will favor putin if he wants someone else to have the say in that matter.

Something must have happened today and the following reasons i can randomly think of could be.

1. The 300k reservists with their equipment would be enough for Kiev because german reports said 200k ukrainian soldiers were killed in this war and kiev and odessa will not have enough equipment and manpower to deal with the onslaught because previous factors have shown that one russian dies for every 5 ukrainian soldiers and the most pro-ukraine user with alot of followers Julian felt displeased that there was barely any russian equipment left behind suggesting they retreated successfully which got many pro-ukraine fans pissed at him and ukrainian sources have stated they got massacred in their last offensive

2. Russia has shared the dirty bomb evidence that Ukraine is preparing with western colleagues who were brushing it off according to todays news but their doomer mood suggests that Russia will retaliate with nukes if the dirty bomb is used.

Imagine having a friend tell you, that you can kick this one guys ass and you feel motivated to do it. But instead you have that same friend pat you on the back saying he will kick your ass but give it your best, this shit might demoralize your fighting spirit because you wont get the end results of kicking that guys ass in the end.

msta S with 6 rpm.

Not protoss shields. Just far superior  range than vast majority of russian artillery,together with actual digital FCS systems instead of shitty scopes, analogue computers and notebooks the russians use for 90% of their guns,

Another bunch of lies...

In 2007, the Russians began to receive the 2S19M1 with improved fire control system and added GLONASS antenna.
In 2013 there was already the 2S19M2 equipped with a new automatic fire control system that increases the rate of fire. Digital electronic maps are now available that significantly speed up terrain orientation in difficult geographic conditions and allow for faster and more efficient shooting missions. In addition to the ability to shoot 10 projectiles per minute and a range of 80 km.
https://armstrade.org/includes/periodics/news/2020/0603/095058134/detail.shtml

PapaDragon wrote:...Another day in a row, Russian Internet is flooded with pics like this :

https://i.servimg.com/u/f12/20/35/00/30/photo_63.jpg

Fvck me, this place is flatter than a hockey rink

One of first things lieutenant told us in boot camp was that these kinds of places are to be avoided at times, no exceptions

Serbs don't fight wars in the prairies but I guess different cultures have different customs

Not much you can do as UKR if you are given orders to advance. Orders are not questioned during war time as they say.
There is also not much else to to do but to use treelines by the fields. The problem is that Ukrainians  still end up on a grid of well prepared killzones. Even mobility doesn’t help.

Russians  also had to advance over similar terrain and take over fortification and trench-lines.  

Kiko wrote:

 Putin urged to have a clear plan to meet the needs of the special operation

If Russia intends to put in place a gas hub in Turkey, it has to control the whole Ukr Black Sea coastline up till Odessa. Otherwise it shall be used as a base for terrorism against Turkish Stream as it has happened in the past.

US/UK still have Romania/Bulgaria or Georgie to launch terrorists

limb wrote:

My mistake. The swedish bandkanone has actually 18rpm.

no mistake but lie.

Also russians almost never use the smerch for counterbattery, and their helos can never find the western artillery.

so you know that? form let me guess Bellingcat ? or Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propagana? oh you saidn ukros neve rlie bwahahahaha uuuuu bwahaha

Thankfully not decoys. They could be old pics from summer tho

sure could be 22nd of September it was still summer.

Wrong. Ukraine completely relies on 155mm NATO ammo. It completely ran out of soviet 152mm ammo.

sources ? other then Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propagana?

I still keep hearing that VSU is preparing some kind of kherson offensive

As of yet , most of the small unit raids they conduct, are crushed and destroyed,

The Ukrainians are losing tons of equipment and men on a daily basis- we see in Artemovsk how this fighting grinds down their army

And in the south they launch raids by T64, infantry, BMP2 and they are shredded by mines, artillery, ATGM

I think if Ukraine tries to attack Kherson, it will be catastrophic for them

But it is a good practice for Russia , how to conduct very well coordinated defensive actions and counterattack-

They definitely have been harnessing a defensive experience which is invaluable for the army

They are defending with relatively low numbers and maximize the efficiency of minefields, atgm firing points, MLRS ambushes, MANPADS, air defense, special forces raids

It's great experience for sure, and in Artemovsk some fierce urban fighting is going on

Just saw this documentary on American PBS Frontline about the alleged Putin war crimes in the Ukraine War.  This propanganda shouldn't be a surprise.

I wonder how Russia will unleash the big offensive. I expect they will attack on 3 fronts, but will they roll up all the tanks and hardware menacingly to intimidate Ukraine into surrendering, or will they just unleash it on 3 fronts, or will the attack on one front try and draw in the Ukrainian reserves then strike blows on other fronts. For example strike hard in Kharkhov, draw in the Ukrainian reserve then strike down from Belarus and close the Polish border, then when the enemy is reeling, strike west from Kherson and take Nikoliev and continue on to Odessa.

d_taddei2 wrote:

Kiko wrote:

 Putin urged to have a clear plan to meet the needs of the special operation

If Russia intends to put in place a gas hub in Turkey, it has to control the whole Ukr Black Sea coastline up till Odessa. Otherwise it shall be used as a base for terrorism against Turkish Stream as it has happened in the past.

I would pretty much say Odessa, Niko, Kherson, zapo, Donbass, Kharkov will be taken as a minimum. And Transnistria and Gagauzia with also join Russia. And I wouldn't be surprised if Dnipro, Sumy Poltava Chernihiv, Kirovohrad Oblast, are also taken.

These abbreviations ZAPO, NIKO... are good.  
You have a beer from me...

PapaDragon wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:Macron at Vatican: US Needs to Sit Down at Negotiating Table to Push Forward Ukraine Peace Process
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The president also called on the pope to call President Putin and Russian Orthodox Church patriarch Kirill, as well as Biden, "to help bring peace to Ukraine."...

Someone should tell Macron that Putin ain't Catholic  

Rumours around town is that Kirill isn't either

crod wrote:Chancellor Olaf Scholz has told a Ukraine donor conference in Berlin that efforts to rebuild the war-torn country “must begin now”.

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The German leader hopes to draft a blueprint for a “Marshall Plan for the 21st century”, referencing the post-1945 plan to rebuild Germany.

Thats good to know, cuz its unacceptable for Russia to be left with the entire cost of rebuilding its Easternmost territories after 30 years of Ukropi mismanagement, Western malfeasence, and the unfortunate but necessary police action to restore it.

The Kremlin will nominate a (ruble) bank account.  Europeans may deposit to it at any time.  If they need assitance, they may contact Gazprombank, and also ask advice from European gas purchasers.

Europeans do however need to keep in mind that Russia also expects adequate compensation be paid to all of those Russian families whom their policies have adversely impacted.  Just keep making payments, the Kremlin will tell you when they think it is enough

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
no mistake but lie.

And a lie made of ignorance most of all.
The highest rate of fire for all NATO standard artillery to this day is Pzh2000 with 12 rpm.
Bt the point is how was that measured.
Well, they start with the first round already loaded.

That is why the new MSTA-S equals its rpm in practice while beating in range.
And Koalitsya is another level.

If you do feel the need to respond to limb, please edit the quote so those of us who do not want to read his posts don't get eye cancer from the content. Feel free to be creative with it.