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    Post  sepheronx Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:24 am

    Every time Putin said he is willing to talk and negotiate, people of room temp IQ keep posting it as if it's a sign of weakness.

    What is funny is that for all the times (dozens now?) On the last 8 months, Putin said he was always willing to negotiate. For some reason, it is just being reposted. I imagine it's just other ministers telling not just their own people but the rest of the world "see, Russia is willing to talk but the west isnt". Hence why most of the world sees what is happening.

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    Post  Belisarius Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:31 am

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:35 am

    thegopnik wrote:heard the graduation for the mobilizees was held so i am guessing an offensive would be planned somewhere in the middle of november since 10 forecast still doesnt show temperatures below 32 farenheit

    I think he is watching to see who wins the US elections myself. There's always backroom channels even in the current crisis. I think he is open to maybe some Republicans having a desire to talk this thing down if for no other reason than to undercut Biden. The problem is they are no different than the Democrats.

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    Post  thegopnik Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:39 am

    When Kiev falls can they have a concert over there?



    jokes aside, the song and lyrics are great.

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    Post  auslander Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:02 am

    Roughly 04:30-04:45 two drones shot down west of harbor mouth, Sevastopol. Saw the flash of one of them. Both shook the house when they bit the big one. No air raid sirens screaming on this side of the ditch.

    Auslander & VCO.

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    Post  auslander Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:11 am

    Another one, 05:10. Another shoot down over Sea just north of us.

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    Post  thegopnik Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:38 am

    I am still debating rather if invading in 2014 was a good idea or not than compared to 2022 anyone got thoughts about that? If they started in 2014 mass surrenders would happen but watching millions of people cause revolts would be difficult under military control and you dont want to carry out a genocide to stop revolts to look like the bad guys. Invade in 2022 lots of ukrainians get armed and feel more powerful thus it allows mass killings to be easier and barely any revolts would exist because they would be easily clenched because nearly all ukrainians would be dead from the war thanks to Zelensky.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:53 am

    mnztr wrote:Russia should really use all the capture weapons to attack Poland and blame it on Ukraine lol.

    Folks like you and some of the others would have Russia fighting everyone.
    You're more predictable than even the neo-cons.

    Russia is only fighting the Ukraine. Officially. Lots of speculation the Polish army will come in, the US airborne, or whoever, but really let's leave that decision to them.

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    Post  auslander Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:08 am

    Priests have for months been delivering aid to DNR/LNR. All is going quite well. We go to them later today and see what is needed besides the usual.

    https://sevastopol.su/news/kak-svyashchenniki-dostavlyayut-gumanitarnuyu-pomoshch-iz-sevastopolya-i-kryma

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    Post  auslander Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:12 am

    So far, nothing has penetrated our defenses. Local PTB are a little nervous. We ain't.

    09:40, TPTB are nervous. Harbor is closed to all traffic, ergo ferries are docked and sitting. Don't know if City will be closed but already queues are forming for petrol and bread. Idiots will never learn, keep the tanks topped off and always have an extra loaf of bread sitting in the bin.

    https://sevastopol.su/news/pvo-v-sevastopole-otbivaet-ataku-bespilotnikov

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    Post  lancelot Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:18 am

    thegopnik wrote:I am still debating rather if invading in 2014 was a good idea or not than compared to 2022 anyone got thoughts about that? If they started in 2014 mass surrenders would happen but watching millions of people cause revolts would be difficult under military control and you dont want to carry out a genocide to stop revolts to look like the bad guys. Invade in 2022 lots of ukrainians get armed and feel more powerful thus it allows mass killings to be easier and barely any revolts would exist because they would be easily clenched because nearly all ukrainians would be dead from the war thanks to Zelensky.
    Back then Russia could not even feed itself without imports. The Mir payment system was not operational either. You are ignoring the massive efforts Russia made since then to make its economy more robust against sanctions.

    Had Russia come in stronger into Ukraine there was a high possibility the sanctions you are seeing right now would have been applied. And it is highly unlikely Russia would have been able to cope with these kinds of sanctions then as well as they did now.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:50 am

    famschopman wrote:
    It's a 'basic' artillery shell, not an anti-tank weapon. It's a bit hard to see from the footage but it shouldn't have done much damage except activating the reactive armor?

    Turret ammo magazine exploded.

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    Nexta is "Bielorussian opposition" i.e. cia propaganda channel.  Please stop using nazi propaganda

    The guy who was arrested after downing RyanAir was a big fish there. It was fun to watch how he ceased to be a superhero and became a traitor in the eye of liberda in less than a week

    auslander wrote:Harbor is closed to all traffic, ergo ferries are docked and sitting. Don't know if City will be closed but already queues are forming for petrol and bread.  

    Seems some underwater drone was destroyed close to the shore.
    A kind of mass penetration attempt I would say nulled.

    Edit : something interesting, but graphic :
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/31342
    First scene is a destroyed Maxim machine gun. Yes, M1908 on the position of Ukrs.
    A whole material is just a tone of dead Ukrs, to give some hint about the real situation for twitter warriors ...
    Wagner in Artemovsk.

    And something is cooking in the Ugledar direction, heavy shelling including Buratino and aviation work in progress.


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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:33 am

    It very well might just work. I don't think they updated the Javelin target library to include profiles of the T-72 with the cage on.

    Insulating the engine heat from the cage armour would mean the cage armour would appear background temperature or colder and would act as good IR camouflage in addition to setting off warheads early and also making space to store extra equipment and material.

    Shitblade made a lot of impacts on the battlefield, but didn´t hit anything. Just fell from the sky.

    To be fair the Russians are better equipped and better trained to deal with air threats than third world countries or for instance western trained countries who expect to operate with air superiority.

    No Russia isn't going to annex it all, they have no desire to. You can wish for this, but the reality is, its not going to happen

    Russia is not there to annex... if these four new Russian regions had voted to be independent states Russia would have respected their vote... the entire rest of the Ukraine could become one country (minus Crimea) if that was the way they voted, but to get a vote Kiev needs to go and Russian troops need to liberate all Ukrainian territory and then have votes regarding the future of what is currently called the Ukraine.

    Some parts will vote to join the RF simply because that means getting rebuilt and recovery, there will be no option to join HATO or the EU it will be autonomy and neutrality or they can join the RF if they want to, but the further west you go and the further north you go the less likely they will vote to join Russia and that is fine.

    Remember the Ukrainian people voted for Zelensky because he promised peace and better relations with Russia and to solve the issues in the eastern parts of the country peacefully... if the entire country were bloodthirsty anti Russians Poro would have gotten reelected because he was offering war.

    R 37 would be suitable for bombing and AWACS but not good enough to fight a fighter. Another myth propagated around here, being demolished.

    Both the R-33 and R-37 are mach 6 missiles fired normally on a lofted trajectory for a steep dive on their target for the kill... the R-33 is able to hit targets manouvering at up to 4g because it was designed to kill cruise missiles and large bombers and high speed aircraft like the SR-71, but also capable of long range hits against large aircraft like troop transports, inflight refuelling aircraft, and AWACS and JSTARS type aircraft... none of which could manage 5 g plus evasion manouvers... the R-37 can hit targets pulling 8g which means most targets would be horribly vulnerable and falling from high altitude at six times the speed of sound would be quite a trick... both have 60kg HE frag warheads designed to direct the fragments at the target centre of mass to assure a kill.

    300k soldiers for a 1000km front is still not that much. It is not enough to conduct aggressive offensive actions.

    They pushed deep into the country with rather less than 300K troops, and now the local troops are Russian troops now too... hopefully they will be rushing Ratnik II equipment to them as fast as they can...

    The Russians don't need a lot of troops to take territory and push the Orcs back, they need troops to hold territory but if they go on an attack and surround large numbers of Orcs who then die or surrender then that will speed up the process and eliminate trained cannon fodder of the enemy faster.

    2. I am an American taxpayer. I've been fleeced to help nazis in Ukraine to the tune of 100 billion+ dollars and in the land of the free I have no say on where my tax money goes as every single last jackass in DC supports this scam. When we call them out for it and say nuclear war is not a good idea we get called Kremlin agents. So yeah feel sorry for us, we are voiceless.

    Getting Twitter back might help your cause...


    Meanwhile, Putin is very eager to negotiate.

    He says that because Zelensky has said he wont negotiate with Putin, so of course Putin is ready to negotiate, because he knows kiev will not so it makes him look good and peace loving and democratic, and Kiev look like nazis.

    Holding such a long front and so much territory of 100k troops is impossible in the long time.

    Pushing forward and capturing more towns and cities and eliminating the anti Russian elements that took control means saving lots of Orcs from conscription as cannon fodder, and it also means cornering and surrounding those on the front line... once cut off from supplies their position is going to get really bad really quick in winter.

    When the bulk of their current force is destroyed or captured the next force will be hard to scratch together and will have to come from absolutely everywhere like all those young men who seem to be fire fighters in Odessa and Kiev... perhaps the sons of nazis and people in power so they don't go to the front line.... yet.

    The western propaganda talks about pushing the Russians back but when Russian forces are surrounding Odessa and Kiev again... what claims can they make to fool the people?

    Probably the American M982 Excalibur guided projectile hits and damage the Russian T-90M Proryv.

    No secondary explosion, and the drone filming the attack is terrible... no stabilised cameras... shaking like a hand held cam on a 1990s horror movie.

    If they did then why did the alleged Poles not defect to the Russians afterwards?

    Not wanting to commit suicide does not equal wanting to change sides in a conflict.

    I am sure a few Brits at the battle of the Somme probably didn't want to stand up and walk slowly towards enemy lines... doesn't mean they wanted to surrender to the Germans... it just means they wanted their Commanders shot...

    You mean they were sitting there until night and patiently awaiting for the Ukrainians to come and kill them?

    They are soldiers on the front line and probably very well armed... do you think they are afraid of some Ukrainian nazis that only go near battlefields to shoot civilians or their own soldiers?

    Hero of humanity, the anti petal bot in service of Z.

    Hope that is just a test because if that is operating for real that cameraman is a bloody idiot getting that close... a mine going off at that distance would have a good chance of killing him.

    Otherwise looks like a useful device.

    @ Belisarius... good to see new management at Twitter... Scott Ritter back... good start to get some real balance and objectivity...

    Had Russia come in stronger into Ukraine there was a high possibility the sanctions you are seeing right now would have been applied. And it is highly unlikely Russia would have been able to cope with these kinds of sanctions then as well as they did now.

    Of course they would have coped, but there would be a lot more hardship involved and LMUR wouldn't have been available... nor Kinzhal or Zircon...

    Turret ammo magazine exploded.

    Totally separated from the crew compartment with no door through to the turret...

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:45 am

    I still don't get what you even discuss re: "Putin is to negotiate" scratch
    Russkie never denies negotiations, for a single moment.
    Back in April, they have already reached a sort of agreement, and part of the troops' relocation was made due to that, too.
    It is the Ukrs who either deny negotiating or are being forced to deny that by the slave masters.
    And the slave masters themselves, who are claiming a position in that matter - which I find amusing as they deal with the Ukr lives there.

    Edit :
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/31345

    And again, 20+ KIA in just one of the multiple attempts to punch republican defensive positions ...
    How is the Ukro official body count at the moment, they have passed 9k already or something? unshaven

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    @ Belisarius... good to see new management at Twitter... Scott Ritter back... good start to get some real balance and objectivity...

    Yup, and he started with bells&whistles  Laughing by calling Bucha a war crime. Ukrainian war crime.

    GarryB wrote:
    Totally separated from the crew compartment with no door through to the turret...

    Yup, still the tank is toasted.
    The same story would be with any single M1 pierced even by the 30mm cal in the turret bustle.
    At least this thing on 90Ms is well armored&protected by the spacing.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:35 am

    Another attempt to attack Zaporovskaya NPP.

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    Post  famschopman Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:46 am

    ALAMO wrote:Yup, still the tank is toasted.
    The same story would be with any single M1 pierced even by the 30mm cal in the turret bustle.
    At least this thing on 90Ms is well armored&protected by the spacing.

    Well, if it was only the turret ammo and nothing penetrated the turret, then the vehicle should be in pretty good shape. Occupants are saved, it can drive, shoot its main gun. Back to the repair shop for new optics and a layer of paint to remove the scratches.

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    Post  ahmedfire Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:52 am

    JohninMK wrote:   

       ▪ Kievskaya 750kV substation - autotransformer hit confirmed
       ▪ Belotserkovskaya 330kV substation - probable damage

       🩸 Today's strike on the Kievskaya 750 substation has had a far greater impact in terms of efficiency than all previous strikes on the Kiev power grid combined.

       ➖ At least one single-phase 750/330kV autotransformer was destroyed. The shields separating the single-phase autotransformers from each other may have protected the other transformers from damage, but the destruction of at least one of the three renders the remaining two useless.

     

    Targeting the 750Kv subs is a big escalation , if Russia continues on that track Ukraine will be forced to put nuclear power reactors into cold mode ,their network to supply EU with electricity through the 750Kv network will  shutdown permanently .Honestly i thought Russia will use that card only if Ukraine targeted the dam or the bridge again .

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:28 am

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:29 am

    Belisarius wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30 - Page 30 Img_2200
    Here is a link to the article


    https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/bucha-revisited

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    Post  nomadski Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:23 pm

    ahmedfire wrote " Targeting the 750Kv subs is a big escalation , if Russia continues on that track Ukraine will be forced to put nuclear power reactors into cold mode ,their network to supply EU with electricity through the 750Kv network will  shutdown permanently .Honestly i thought Russia will use that card only if Ukraine targeted the dam or the bridge again . "

    This tactic of limited response to Ukrs , in a trade-off , to avoid destruction of Russian sector , is a good idea to try from time to time or at first , if real chance exists of de-escalation or negotiated settlement . But the yanks and Nazis can never allow that . The Yanks make money , and Nazis keep their necks attached to their bodies , in war . So escalation will follow escalation . SMO turns into anti-terror operation then into war then into war of attrition then war of annihilation . Both sides strike harder and deeper , but advantage for Russia is defensive depth . It can pull back population and destroy all Ukraine , level it with the ground . It can retain all military infrastructure . Ukraine can not , it has little defensive depth , and can not mount strikes from Poland into Russia , nor has it long range capability .

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    Post  Hole Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:35 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Every time Putin said he is willing to talk and negotiate, people of room temp IQ keep posting it as if it's a sign of weakness.
    And every time the list of regions that will be included into Russia is getting longer.  Very Happy

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    WSO: Where is the window?

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:44 pm

    Hole wrote:
    WSO: Where is the window?

    Oooh ... no window?
    OK, we will hit the crane instead.
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    Post  Arrow Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:48 pm

    The RQ-4 probably coordinated the drone attack on Sevastopol. Why doesn't Russia shoot down these US drones. Iran had no objection to this. The drone is over international waters, but it coordinates the attack on Russian territory.

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    Post  franco Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:56 pm

    Russian Defense Ministry: nine UAVs and seven marine drones were involved in the attack on the ships of the Black Sea Fleet

    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/202210291344-ULmRZ.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

    The Ministry of Defense of Russia informed that on the morning of October 29, Kyiv carried out a terrorist attack on ships of the Black Sea Fleet and civilian ships that were on the outer and inner roadsteads of the Sevastopol base. It is noted that a total of nine drones and seven autonomous maritime drones were used in the attack.

    "As a result of the operational measures taken by the forces of the Black Sea Fleet, all air targets were destroyed," Igor Konashenkov, official representative of the military department, said at a briefing.

    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/202210291341-LLHbB.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:06 pm

    franco wrote:Russian Defense Ministry: nine UAVs and seven marine drones were involved in the attack on the ships of the Black Sea Fleet
    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/202210291344-ULmRZ.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui
    The Ministry of Defense of Russia informed that on the morning of October 29, Kyiv carried out a terrorist attack on ships of the Black Sea Fleet and civilian ships that were on the outer and inner roadsteads of the Sevastopol base. It is noted that a total of nine drones and seven autonomous maritime drones were used in the attack.
       "As a result of the operational measures taken by the forces of the Black Sea Fleet, all air targets were destroyed," Igor Konashenkov, official representative of the military department, said at a briefing.
    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/202210291341-LLHbB.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

    A very similar action was carried out against Hemeimeen airbase a while ago.
    P-8 was coordinating a wave of 13 or 17 (can't remember now) drones, all od them intercepted by the base AD.
    It was before ex SoS Bolton's meeting with Putin, when Vlad welcomed him by saying that he carried 13 (17) tomahawks instead of an olive branch.
    Anyway as we can see, Ukrs are nothing more than stronger ISIS created to harm the opposite states in substitute of the slave masters.

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