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    Post  Scorpius Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:46 pm

    thegopnik wrote:I am still waiting on poland to do some stupid shit later, I don't think they are going to back off from Russia taking volyhynia and east galacia.

    Volyn & Galicia.
    I remind you that the Galician-Volyn Principality was one of the Russian principalities, as well as the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (now the descendants of the Litvins are called Belarusians).

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    Post  limb Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:48 pm

    One thing I blame the ukrainian successes in kharkov and kherson is the failure of russian troops to make any meaningul gains in donbass after the end of july. If the the Russians had actually captured soledar, put avdeevka in a cauldron or made significant advances in bakhmut instead of fighting for a few dozen meters during august, then the ukrainians wouldn't have been bold enough to transfer so many troops to stage large offensives. They would've kept trying to reinforce the donbass.

    These low-radar visibility suicide drones with long ranges are a double edged sword

    On the one hand yes, they make an excellent substitution to iron bombs probably costing less than a sortie with the dumbest cheapest bombs you can find. And more accurate, with real-time video at that.

    On the other hand this heralds a whole new mini-revolution in warfare, and it's one Russia has to watch out for and soon. Because nothing prevents NATO from copying the idea and churning out thousands of these things themselves to supply to the Ukraine. In fact we should assume this will be done within 2 months.

    Russia needs its anti-drone defenses ready by then. Chiefly EW means. The gammut of them ranging from portable anti-infantry weapons to heavy vehicle and aircraft mounted means. Maybe even EMP shells, as were rumored to be in trials for the Msta-S or Koalitsiya systems; so that drones can be knocked out even with artillery.
    Also, if there are any cheap AAA defences with optical/radar automated guidance for engaging small drones, preferably with air burst shells - then it needs to get as much of those out as it can to units in the field as well. The 57mm cannons will be too much to ask for of course. But at least the Zu-23-2s, Shilkas and Tunguskas purposed for mobile defense and equipped with working radars.

    What I'll say for the Ukrainian military is that after 8 months of bombardment - they are far more accustomed to camouflaging themselves from the air and moving about undetected then Russian units will be. It's harder for Russia to find targets among them, then it would be for them to find targets to hit among the Russian forces - who have enjoyed air superiority and a great deficit of enemy precision capabilities to date.
    This is something that Russian command needs to deliberate on and find counters for ahead of time. And there isn't that much time.
    NATO already has MALD decoy and jammer drone swarms. Thats russian's biggest threat, but I somehow doubt that russian military planners take NATO drone swarms seriously, judging by the lack derivatsiyas produced and lack of peresvet mass production.

    Volyn & Galicia.
    I remind you that the Galician-Volyn Principality was one of the Russian principalities, as well as the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (now the descendants of the Litvins are called Belarusians).

    Litvins are zmagary slave mindset fantasy. Neoliberal russophobic belarussians take the most historical pride in being polish-lithuanian serfs, vassals and cannon fodder instead of the principality of polotsk for example.


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    Post  DerWolf Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:49 pm

    thegopnik wrote:I am still waiting on poland to do some stupid shit later, I don't think they are going to back off from Russia taking volyhynia and east galacia.
    Would Russia go that far away into that hostile population?
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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:52 pm

    Hopefully the British choose that Polynesian or Indonesian. I want to laugh for a while at the great replacement.

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    Post  limb Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:54 pm

    Not for long, the push from the South will come.

    Frontlines need to be shortened. For that DPR must be liberated. Taking land east of gulyaipole should knock the ukrainians out of the war.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:02 pm

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    That is actually Jimmy Carter, well into his 90s.
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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:05 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Volyn & Galicia.
    I remind you that the Galician-Volyn Principality was one of the Russian principalities, as well as the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (now the descendants of the Litvins are called Belarusians).
    One of the Rus principalities.
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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:07 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:Hopefully the British choose that Polynesian or Indonesian. I want to laugh for a while at the great replacement.
    Indian, Rishi Sunak is still a real possibility for many reasons.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:26 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Oh just f*ck off with your Nazi bullshit

    ..and you can shove yer head where the sun don't shine and ignore what should be readily apparent to anyone with a functioning brain-stem.

    And go f*ck yourself some more

    You lost WW2

    Jews still spank your jihadi bitches in Mid East on the daily

    Go drink some water from that ''Jew poisoned well'' lol1



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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:32 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    ludovicense wrote:Global Thinker
    @talkrealopinion
    According to insider Telegram channel MI6 informed Zelensky that Russia is now making own kamikaze drones. The capacity is 500/month but Russia aims for 100 new drones a day in 2023.
    3000 in a month is no joke. There is no way NATO can provide Ukraine with this many surface-to-air missiles to shoot them down with........................

    These low-radar visibility suicide drones with long ranges are a double edged sword

    On the one hand yes, they make an excellent substitution to iron bombs probably costing less than a sortie with the dumbest cheapest bombs you can find. And more accurate, with real-time video at that.

    On the other hand this heralds a whole new mini-revolution in warfare, and it's one Russia has to watch out for and soon. Because nothing prevents NATO from copying the idea and churning out thousands of these things themselves to supply to the Ukraine. In fact we should assume this will be done within 2 months....


    How many times do I have to teach you this lesson, Old Man?

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    Post  zorobabel Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:03 am

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    zorobabel wrote:US lawmakers are discussing a $50 billion aid package for Ukraine. The warmongers have found their next forever war.

    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1583174510219755520

    Ukraine doesn't get the money, it goes straight to the US MIC and other people with their snouts in the trough.
    Most of the money the MIC gets, is laundered as R&D costs, with a small amount actually going into weapons production.

    That's how they managed to blow a trillion on the F-35 project.

    It's all about milking the US tax payer, who doesn't really care, because the US just conjures more USD debt instruments to cover it, and sells them to suckers like China and Japan, or pension funds.



    Yep, that is the purpose of forever wars. Just one big money laundering scheme.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:18 am

    Its always fun to recycle old, yet accurate memes Razz

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30 Ffiagd10

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:22 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Oh just f*ck off with your Nazi bullshit

    ..and you can shove yer head where the sun don't shine and ignore what should be readily apparent to anyone with a functioning brain-stem.

    And go f*ck yourself some more

    You lost WW2

    Jews still spank your jihadi bitches in Mid East on the daily

    Go drink some water from  that ''Jew poisoned well''  lol1


    Someone is a little sensitive tongue

    I have no friggin idea what you are yabbering about. I lost WW2? My jihadi bitches?

    The forum hopes you can get over your Joe Biden moment.

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    Post  thegopnik Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:54 am

    DerWolf wrote:
    thegopnik wrote:I am still waiting on poland to do some stupid shit later, I don't think they are going to back off from Russia taking volyhynia and east galacia.
    Would Russia go that far away into that hostile population?

    They have no other choice or Russia and its new territories will be shelled. It doesnt mean the war is over if Kiev is taken.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:07 am

    My reply to GB here: https://www.russiadefence.net/t7924p175-tandem-tilt-rotor-aircraft-development#403881

    https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/western-nations-speed-up-ukraine-arms-transfers-to-prepare-for-winter-warfare/

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/10/19/defense-contractors-eye-long-term-profits-from-ukraine-war/

    https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-63328743

    https://asiatimes.com/2022/10/irans-kamikaze-drones-no-game-changer-in-ukraine/?mc_cid=e595cd21dd&mc_eid=5455568640

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/10/20/7372801/

    https://ura.news/news/1052596476


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    Post  Backman Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:11 am

    So the Ukraine HMAR'd a bridge carrying civilians evacuating from Kherson. 12 people including children killed and more injured.

    Why does Russia act surprised when stuff like this happens ? The US uses these tactics all over the world. War crimes are their most common method of war.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:14 am

    Tolstoy wrote:
    ArgentinaGuard wrote:The British Prime Minister has resigned. Political instability in Europe. Good sign for Russia.
     It is in Russia's interest to keep the West divided. But the Ukraine conflict has brought the west together.

    This is why China too is upset with Russia as they also want a divided west.


    China's not upset with Russia. They're not idiots. And everything has been consulted with them ahead of time. India was informed too, and other countries.

    The West was never 'divided'. They had issues they disagreed upon, in some areas Europe and America were competitors, just as within the EU itself some countries competed with each other..
    However it was always one bloc, whose plurality of opinion ended about when it came to strategic geopolitical issues such as that of Russia, Iran or China. Or their wider strategy of collective hegemony.
    Yes granted there was the appearance of difference on these issues, but only in the sense of good cop vs. bad cop. Ally with Russia against China like Kissinger, Le Pen, Trump and the American nationalists advocated to various extents, or be softer on China while going after Russia full-bore - like the globalists, British establishment and various Eastern European elites preferred.
    Who in the West after all was against the Maidan revolution orchestrated in Kiev? Or taking the side of the Islamist rebels in the Syrian civil war? Who was against sanctions on Iran, or North Korea?

    The only real divisions in the West were between those who were a little too independent of Washington and Brussels for comfort - such as Hungary and Turkey, and those who weren't. This division still persists today, in fact has grown even more acute. With Turkey sticking to neutrality on the war and Hungary at least attempting the same. But 90% of the NATO-EU bloc is loyal to the greater transnational elite and their agenda of hegemony.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:51 am

    limb wrote:One thing I blame the ukrainian successes in kharkov and kherson is the failure of russian troops to make any meaningul gains in donbass after the end of july. If the the Russians had actually captured soledar, put avdeevka in a cauldron or made significant advances in bakhmut instead of fighting for a few dozen meters during august, then the ukrainians wouldn't have been bold enough to transfer so many troops to stage large offensives. They would've kept trying to reinforce the donbass.

    It's your opinion that Ukrainian advances in Kharkov and Kherson were Ukrainian successes. Their cost in men and material far outweighed the strategic meaning of the ground they recaptured.

    And if the Russians, in addition to dissuading the Ukrainians from coming out of their fortified zones and advancing - also made bold moves themselves in Soledar, Avdeevka or Bakhmut which were (and are) still manned by thousands of fanatics - then the end result of all this would be less Ukrainian casualties and more Russian casualties.

    Surovikin has made it clear that he's going to stick with the present tactics. And is all but encouraging the enemy to make a grab for Kherson. Deal with it.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:27 am

    limb wrote:One thing I blame the ukrainian successes in kharkov and kherson is the failure of russian troops to make any meaningul gains in donbass after the end of july. If the the Russians had actually captured soledar, put avdeevka in a cauldron or made significant advances in bakhmut instead of fighting for a few dozen meters during august, then the ukrainians wouldn't have been bold enough to transfer so many troops to stage large offensives. They would've kept trying to reinforce the donbass.

    It's getting more than a little boring with these endless claims.  The Kiev regime commited its new NATO-armed and trained army & "mercs" into an all-out offensive, and the Russians did the predictable - they traded land to protect their forces and gain time, withdrawing their forces and pumulling the regime forces as they advanced.  Now the regime advance has fizzled as it hits prepared defenses, and Russia builds it forces for major offensives to be launched when the regime forces are spent and over-extended.

    Its not the first time Russian planners have done stuff like this and trashed an opposition that falsely beleived it was ascendent.  Ask any honest historian about Operation Bagration and the fate of Wermacht Army Group Centre... Twisted Evil

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:58 am

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    Why are you showing media I could just get on tv? If I wanted to watch our propaganda I'd just watch television.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:02 am

    Many here don't have American TV. at least to me, it's interesting to see what both sides r saying.
    That way I can sift trough propaganda & half truths from all sides to form a more complete picture.

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    Post  Lapain Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:07 am

    Tolstoy wrote:
    ArgentinaGuard wrote:The British Prime Minister has resigned. Political instability in Europe. Good sign for Russia.
     It is in Russia's interest to keep the West divided. But the Ukraine conflict has brought the west together.

    This is why China too is upset with Russia as they also want a divided west.


    The Ukraine conflict has already revealed a schism with the West, between those governments that care about the conflict and those who are about their citizens. Time will tell which side will eventually prevail. China isn't upset as it gives time to prepare itself for the inevitable final conflict, just as the US did pre-December 1941.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:42 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Many here don't have American TV. at least to me, it's interesting to see what both sides r saying.
    That way I can sift trough propaganda & half truths from all sides to form a more complete picture.

    Riiight...

    so you watched Iraqi TV when the the US invaded Iraq?  Suspect

    Or maybe you watched Libyan TV when NATO was busy destroying Africas most developed nation as they supported AQ terrorists? Suspect

    Or Syrian or Yemeni TV? Suspect

    Maybe folks in American living rooms were tuning into nazi or jap radio during WW2?  Suspect

    No thanks.  I don't give a flying fck what the corrupt lying Murkan elites feed to their consumer drone-slaves.

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    Post  TMA1 Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:43 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Many here don't have American TV. at least to me, it's interesting to see what both sides r saying.
    That way I can sift trough propaganda & half truths from all sides to form a more complete picture.

    lol

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