Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30

Hole wrote:

Potbelly dinosaur generals 

Read this shit before on Twitter. "We need younger Generals because the current ones don´t know how to use computers". 

Todays Generals started their service back in the 80´s, turning Captains in the 90´s and so on. Does really somebody think that a officer in any army
around the world could manage 30 years of working in the military without using computers? Really? Some of the guys in the Russian General Staff could
build a computer from some garbage while others could write the programs for it.

caveat emptor wrote:Su-35 dropping dumb bombs while flying very low. Endangering sophisticated plane for this, is not the best use imo.
https://t.me/milinfolive/92470

limb wrote:
Either the Ukrainians are lying(unlikely,

limb wrote:This is horrifyingly dumb. This is what I mean by potbelly dinosaur behavior, sending a superexpensive multirole fighter as dumb bomb low altitude bomber like its 1968.

They couldve at least used a Su-25 or Su-24. If the potbelly dinosaurs want to waste planes like that, they should use the Su-17 or MiG-27. I guess GarryB was wrong that supersonic fighters were considered by the russian air force to be inferior for dropping dumb bombs from low altitude, given that someone ordered this Su-35 pilot to do just that.

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Su-35 dropping dumb bombs while flying very low. Endangering sophisticated plane for this, is not the best use imo.
https://t.me/milinfolive/92470

This is horrifyingly dumb. This is what I mean by potbelly dinosaur behavior, sending a superexpensive multirole fighter as dumb bomb low altitude bomber like its 1968.

They couldve at least used a Su-25 or Su-24. If the potbelly dinosaurs want to waste planes like that, they should use the Su-17 or MiG-27. I guess GarryB was wrong that supersonic fighters were considered by the russian air force to be inferior for dropping dumb bombs from low altitude, given that someone ordered this Su-35 pilot to do just that.

Where is the vaunted SVP-24 to drop iron bombs from range here? They could've at least dropped bombs outside of MANPAD altitude. Gliding bombs aren't even needed much, they couldve just used Kh-25s too.


If the russians are so afraid to even send Su-35s at high altitude bombing missions, this proves that the Ukrainian AD net is almost entirely intact. If ukrainian SAMs are mostly destroyed by now, why would the potbelly dinosaurs be sending aircraft in the range of MANPADs which ukrainians have in limitless quantities?

Potbelly dinosaurs: Targeting pods? Who needs those, we went to berlin without targeting pods.
Gliding bombs? Who needs those, in Zapad 1981 we used FAB-250s, and that was enough.

calripson wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

limb wrote:This is horrifyingly dumb. This is what I mean by potbelly dinosaur behavior, sending a superexpensive multirole fighter as dumb bomb low altitude bomber like its 1968.

They couldve at least used a Su-25 or Su-24. If the potbelly dinosaurs want to waste planes like that, they should use the Su-17 or MiG-27. I guess GarryB was wrong that supersonic fighters were considered by the russian air force to be inferior for dropping dumb bombs from low altitude, given that someone ordered this Su-35 pilot to do just that.

A lot of this has to do with a general outlook of Russian government for penny pinching, neoliberal policies. That disease is very widespread throughout whole governing system. I guess,it was better to invest money in USD bonds and other Western holdings.
From a practical standpoint, while sophisticated examples of bombs and missiles are developed, MoD never chose to procure most of them in large numbers. 
Emphasis was put on strategic weapons in procurement process. It looks like they never believed that large scale ground war was possible if they have nuclear wespons. 
Let's see how long will it take to rectify results of those delusions.

Some retard in the Russian Finance Ministry decided to set a maximum amount of defense spending relative to GDP. Never mind they lost $500 billion in seized foreign reserve assets or a couple billion $$ they loaned to Ukraine in 2014. Not to mention they spent the last 20 years investing in the debt of their adversaries to earn 1% interest. The stupidity is limitless.

This is low-altitude penetration bombing

You can't use the SVP-24 from range as that would require a lot of altitude - and therefore tracking and engagement by air defence systems.
The SVP-24 or something like it will be used by the Su-35 of course, it will calculate the optimum moment to drop the bombs. They will be quite accurate from this low altitude, even without guidance.

And for this role many platforms have the capability. Su-24s are particularly optimized for it.
Su-25s of course, although their max payload is considerably lower, and they won't be able to detect or defend themselves from enemy fighters.

The problem with using Su-24s or Su-34s however is that if the aircraft is shot down - you can potentially lose 2 pilots instead of 1.

So I can see some some sense in using Su-35s if the target is some way behind the front-lines

DerWolf wrote:Very few news today, feels like a calm before the storm

limb wrote:
1 pilot vs 2 pilots. Good point. Proves that decommissioning Su-17s and MiG 27s was a retarded idea. At least they couldve used the MiG-29SMT or Yak-130 .

Pentration against what? Ukrainian SAMs which allegedly are almost out and wasted on shaheds amd cruise missiles?

Those are a lower threat than hundreds of thousands of MANPADs.

limb wrote:A russian S-300 or S-400 launcher was destroyed.

https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1583929636500537345

How the **** do ukrainians locate them and manage to film them with shitty drones?  Why cant russians make lots of wooden decoys liken the ukrainians?