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    Post  dionis Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:51 am

    ALAMO wrote:

    ALAMO wrote:
    A friend of mine is an ex AD battalion commander.
    He graduated 2 years of military college for that purpose, but after that, he needed half a year of extensive training to operate ZSU-23-4 in particular.
    Operators were trained for a year.
    And that was quite easy to master system, with low complication, and made in the Soviet school. So familiar to the cadres already, they just switched from ZU-23-2.
    This whole circus represents only one thing. NATO owns no bloody reserves, and those are not standardized. Each country in NATO has its own assets, own systems, and I have no clue how this even can work together. Ther is no bloody way that a skilled AD operator from Poland can just take the delivered spare system provided by other allied member state and fight with it. Same applies to the Germans, as the MEADS is not a Patriot, Iris is not NASAM etc. Same applies to the French, as they have very own systems nobody uses and knows.
    To place it into perspective, Feb2022 Ukrs owned about 250 pcs of S-300PS system. TWO HUNDRED FIFTY. Along with about 80 pcs of Buk-M and Buk-M1 pieces, +/-40 S-125 on stationary positions.
    They should have hell of 2K12 Kub systems, as they have offered them for export in modified version called Kvadrat 2D.
    They have owned some 200 of Osa, dozens of 2K22 Tunguska, and multiple Tor units.
    Now, the western shitstream is trying to tell us, that providing them 20-30 pcs of different systems nobody in Ukr knows how to operate, maintain, repair etc will be a gamechanger.
    Another Wunderwaffe, anoder gamechanger, while the only reason is to pretend that they are so fukin' helpful and mighty. Maybe Ukrs will die for that a month longer.

    250 S-300PS launchers? Or everything including radars, maintenance, etc?
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    Post  Erk Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:54 am

    ALAMO wrote:
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    This is why martial law is a good idea. There should be contingencies for martial law everywhere. The empire of insanity is going to keep provoking. Every 2 weeks there's a big provocation.

    On the same Senate committee hearing he stated that if a serious invasion will occur, Ukrs will fall in 72h.
    Wonder why "UKR REPORT" forgot to covet that part, hm ... dunno
    Laughing Laughing Laughing

    If Ukraine takes the evacuated Kherson city, there will be much propaganda and cheer in the Western media, and much anger in the pro-Russian media.
    However, people need to remember that this is a last ditch push from Ukraine to do something significant before the US elections on Nov 8th. so Biden can use it as a talking point. The actual end result will be the Russian having open season on the Ukrainian military, because their citizens have been moved out of Kherson, under martial law, so the only people left will be the enemy.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:03 pm

    For all intents & purposes, they r RF citizens now.
    Russia may destroy the Kahovka dam & flood the whole area- no need to use nukes to wipe out the AFU there.

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    Post  Backman Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:20 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Backman wrote:

    This is why martial law is a good idea. There should be contingencies for martial law everywhere. The empire of insanity is going to keep provoking. Every 2 weeks there's a big provocation.

    On the same Senate committee hearing he stated that if a serious invasion will occur, Ukrs will fall in 72h.
    Wonder why "UKR REPORT" forgot to covet that part, hm ... dunno
    Laughing Laughing Laughing

    But I don't think the SMO counted as a serious invasion. It looked like it at the start.  But it was meant to just look like it.

    What if it was real , and 500,000 Russian troops were really descending on the country? Obviously it wouldn't be 72 hours but who knows

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:34 pm

    So basically it's another offensive with almost twice the number, is that worth one FOAB or no?

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:55 pm

    Good selection of Lancet strikes:

    https://t.me/milinfolive/92251?single

    Russian UAV-kamikaze "Lancet" attacks on Ukrainian technology. Destroyed in this video:
    - Howitzer Msta-B
    – Truck Ural-4320
    - Radar station 36D6
    - Radar station P-18
    The T-64BV tank was also damaged.
    The destruction of two enemy radar stations makes this selection especially juicy, since, for example, without the 36D6 three-dimensional all-round radar, the S-300 air defense missile launchers become useless.


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    Post  crod Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:57 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Russian General Prepares Kherson Surrender: 'Hard Decisions Must Be Made'

    It's not surovikhins fault,  he's only following orders

    "Further actions and plans regarding the city of Kherson will depend on the developing military-tactical situation, which is not easy. We will act consciously, in a timely manner, without ruling out difficult decisions," Surovikin said.

    They're pulling out of Kherson

    I just can’t see how or why they’ll be giving up Kherson. With the amount of troops and supplies recently sent there - it just wouldn’t make an ounce of sense not to mention how disastrous the optics would look to the Russian people. With the exception of Bakmut Russia has being losing ground these past few weeks and I if they were to lose north of the river they would find themselves in a very precarious position both on the battlefront and the home one.

    But again, with the sheer numbers in the region there is ample resources to be flooding over the river to ensure there is a defeat of the uki army. Russia has air support to boot…


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:58 pm

    On COI #336, Kyle Anzalone and Connor Freeman cover the Joe Biden administration’s escalatory policies quickly heating up Washington’s Cold Wars with Russia and China.
    Kyle talks about how the hawks in the Biden regime and their allies are gearing up to support the proxy war in Ukraine for years to come, NATO has a 10 year plan to make Kiev a “default” member of the alliance. The Pentagon chief predicts Ukraine will go on the offensive this winter and again vowed to keep the war going for years and years. Biden himself has ruled out the possibility of talks with his Russian counterpart regarding the war. Like his Secretary of State and longtime right hand man, Antony Blinken, he is only considering talks on a relatively meaningless prisoner exchange. Meanwhile, Turkey is attempting to facilitate and broker peace talks with the West and Russia.

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    Post  Mir Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:01 pm

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    Hilarious headline!!! lol!

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    Post  crod Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:05 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:[i]On COI #336, Kyle Anzalone and Connor Freeman cover the Joe Biden administration’s escalatory policies quickly heating up Washington’s Cold Wars with Russia and China.
    Kyle talks about how the hawks in the Biden regime and their allies are gearing up to support the proxy war in Ukraine for years to come, NATO has a 10 year plan to make Kiev a “default” member of the alliance. The Pentagon chief predicts Ukraine will go on the offensive this winter and again vowed to keep the war going for years and years. Biden himself has ruled out the possibility of talks with his Russian counterpart regarding the war. Like his Secretary of State and longtime right hand man, Antony Blinken, he is only considering talks on a relatively meaningless prisoner exchange. Meanwhile, Turkey is attempting to facilitate and broker peace talks with the West and Russia.

    This is a win/win for the US:

    1. They’re fighting Russia at no human capital loss (so no negative news) yet causing massive headaches and embarrassment to Russia
    2. Sending weapons meaning their MiC is ramping up resupply plus all the depleted EU stocks that will be turning to said US MiC
    3. Gas prices are very favourable to the US LNG
    4. Hurting the EU without anyone accusing them of doing so….save for the French of course
    5. Got to blow up a huge and very expensive gas pipe project (which they contributed not a cent) belong to ‘allies’ and Russia with no recourse to them in doing so

    Oh yes, the yanks are loving this. With friends like those cunts….

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    Post  Erk Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:36 pm

    crod wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:[i]On COI #336, Kyle Anzalone and Connor Freeman cover the Joe Biden administration’s escalatory policies quickly heating up Washington’s Cold Wars with Russia and China.
    Kyle talks about how the hawks in the Biden regime and their allies are gearing up to support the proxy war in Ukraine for years to come, NATO has a 10 year plan to make Kiev a “default” member of the alliance. The Pentagon chief predicts Ukraine will go on the offensive this winter and again vowed to keep the war going for years and years. Biden himself has ruled out the possibility of talks with his Russian counterpart regarding the war. Like his Secretary of State and longtime right hand man, Antony Blinken, he is only considering talks on a relatively meaningless prisoner exchange. Meanwhile, Turkey is attempting to facilitate and broker peace talks with the West and Russia.

    This is a win/win for the US:

    1. They’re fighting Russia at no human capital loss (so no negative news) yet causing massive headaches and embarrassment to Russia
    2. Sending weapons meaning their MiC is ramping up resupply plus all the depleted EU stocks that will be turning to said US MiC
    3. Gas prices are very favourable to the US LNG
    4. Hurting the EU without anyone accusing them of doing so….save for the French of course
    5. Got to blow up a huge and very expensive gas pipe project (which they contributed not a cent) belong to ‘allies’ and Russia with no recourse to them in doing so

    Oh yes, the yanks are loving this. With friends like those cunts….

    You are missing the most important point.
    The US can't run proxy wars unless they can bribe people to fight for them with the USD, a increasingly worthless currency conjured out of thin air.

    Russia/China and allies have started the collapse of the USD.  
    For a while the USD will drag all the other currencies down with it, but mostly those of debtor nations who don't have their act together, and need lots of USD to pay their debts.

    Russia/China are creditor nations, they don't need USD, in fact Russia is banned from the USD system, so they  are convincing other countries to trade without USD, at a certain point, the demand for USD will tank, taking it's control of others with it.

    That's the real war to be won.

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    Post  Werewolf Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:37 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Oh just f*ck off with your Nazi bullshit

    You are really advised to read about what jewish religion tells them about them and everyone non-jewish. They are literally upholding talmudic believes which makes them believe they are Ubermensch while all non jews are Untermensch. Per definition you address someone with such believes as Nazi or Supremacist. It wouldn't bother anyone if they kept this ideas just as ideas, however they do act upon their believes and keep on passing their vile traditions and believes to the next generation.
    There is very good reason why one of the smallest religious groups on earth has such a ridiculous overrepresentation in governments, banks, media, MSM, conglomerates, food industry, MIC and many more key industries for controlling societies.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:49 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Alex Mercouris reports that in Bakhmut the Ukrainian forces have intentionally been staying put. And in fact concentrating towards the centre of the city, as if to try and deny Russia the city for as long as possible.

    But also dooming the defenders as it were. Russian forces don't even have to surround them - they ain't leaving. Mercouris opines that this is perhaps because Zelensky has reasserted authority over Zaluzhny. Thus there won't be any more withdrawals like in Lisichyansk, but glorious last stands aplenty enough to make many Hollywood blockbusters over.
    Zelensky is not only deluded, but he's a butcher of his own people. This little clown installed by Washington.

    They need to bring up the 2S4 and TOS. Its these weapons that really broke the will of even the most fanatical Azovs in Mariupol IMHO.  When you run for cover during a bombardment and then move back out after, seeing the scorched bodies of the guys that were just next to you tends to break even the hardest wills. 240mm mortars in an almost vertical trajectory Shocked

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    Post  gc3762 Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:59 pm

    crod wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:[i]On COI #336, Kyle Anzalone and Connor Freeman cover the Joe Biden administration’s escalatory policies quickly heating up Washington’s Cold Wars with Russia and China.
    Kyle talks about how the hawks in the Biden regime and their allies are gearing up to support the proxy war in Ukraine for years to come, NATO has a 10 year plan to make Kiev a “default” member of the alliance. The Pentagon chief predicts Ukraine will go on the offensive this winter and again vowed to keep the war going for years and years. Biden himself has ruled out the possibility of talks with his Russian counterpart regarding the war. Like his Secretary of State and longtime right hand man, Antony Blinken, he is only considering talks on a relatively meaningless prisoner exchange. Meanwhile, Turkey is attempting to facilitate and broker peace talks with the West and Russia.

    This is a win/win for the US:

    1. They’re fighting Russia at no human capital loss (so no negative news) yet causing massive headaches and embarrassment to Russia
    2. Sending weapons meaning their MiC is ramping up resupply plus all the depleted EU stocks that will be turning to said US MiC
    3. Gas prices are very favourable to the US LNG
    4. Hurting the EU without anyone accusing them of doing so….save for the French of course
    5. Got to blow up a huge and very expensive gas pipe project (which they contributed not a cent) belong to ‘allies’ and Russia with no recourse to them in doing so

    Oh yes, the yanks are loving this. With friends like those cunts….

    A counter claim to each point:

    1. They're fighting Russia and the performance of their equipment is severely embarrassing for the USA.
    2. They don't have the production capacity or the money to resupply as all the arm supplies are ridiculously expensive and unnecessarily complicated.
    3. Gas prices are very favourable to Russia.
    4. Hurting the EU will limit their capacity to purchase arms.
    5. We haven't seen Russia's reaction to the gas pipes but there are a lot of fibre optic cables under the sea if Russia wants to respond that way for example.

    I'll add 6. If the Republicans get in power from what I read they are not interested in Ukraine.

    It just seems like some fantasy bullshit divorced from reality.


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    Post  crod Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:00 pm

    Erk wrote:

    You are missing the most important point.
    The US can't run proxy wars unless they can bribe people to fight for them with the USD, a increasingly worthless currency conjured out of thin air.

    Russia/China and allies have started the collapse of the USD.  
    For a while the USD will drag all the other currencies down with it, but mostly those of debtor nations who don't have their act together, and need lots of USD to pay their debts.

    Russia/China are creditor nations, they don't need USD, in fact Russia is banned from the USD system, so they  are convincing other countries to trade without USD, at a certain point, the demand for USD will tank, taking it's control of others with it.

    That's the real war to be won.

    The dollar, along with anything for that matter is only worth what people are willing to pay for it. Until the world stops running to it as the go to during shit times (like now as an example) and major oil sales aren’t through it etc…you’ll be waiting a long time yet. The fact is that the strong nation holds the strong currency even if it’s all fantasy or Monopoly money.
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    Post  crod Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:05 pm

    And in good news story. Nice to see it and they look the business too.

    https://t.me/intelslava/39688

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    Post  Regular Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:33 pm



    Russians publish so many videos of Lancet and Kub drones these days.

    Yet they don't overstate the importance of these systems, unlike Ukrainians who sang songs for Bayraktar.

    The last scenes in the video show upgraded Lancet. The visual difference from its siblings is pretty clear, especially the tail section.

    Also, look at this explosion. HEAT warhead. Tank is a goner.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:40 pm

    This quite strong HEAT jet is only visible on 2, maybe 3 films with it. I wonder if there is a different warhead option scratch or we see the light Lancet-1 as they describe it, with small 1kg payload only, and the bigger Lancet-3 with 3kg scratch

    Some of that footage shows a Spring type surrounding, so those were made early in war.

    And sure Russkie don't hype it much, they don't need. They have a normal war to win, not the one on Twitter yes sir

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    Post  Regular Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:14 pm

    ALAMO wrote:This quite strong HEAT jet is only visible on 2, maybe 3 films with it. I wonder if there is a different warhead option scratch or we see the light Lancet-1 as they describe it, with small 1kg payload only, and the bigger Lancet-3 with 3kg scratch

    Some of that footage shows a Spring type surrounding, so those were made early in war.

    And sure Russkie don't hype it much, they don't need. They have a normal war to win, not the one on Twitter yes sir

    It seems original video was removed



    The footage is quite recent it seems due to location and targets

    I was wondering if it's Lancet-3 too, but it looks like it's just never the version of the first one. Impnavigator mentioned that it has a different tail design and visually it looks shorter. I can't believe that Ukraine is losing radars and AA systems left and right and not even from anti-radiation missiles. Western anti-drone radars are blind as moles, it's absurd. What else other western equipment does nothing but looks pretty?

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    Post  AMCXXL Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:28 pm

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    250 S-300PS launchers? Or everything including radars, maintenance, etc?

    Yes about 250 launchers in 31 battalions of 8, at least several years ago
    Ukraine SSR was the most militarized part of USSR and after independence inherited a large amount of military material, including more than 2,500 airplanes and almost 1,000 helicopters.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:36 pm

    Yes about 250 launchers in 31 battalions wrote:

    This is an impressive number, only the S-300PS themselves are quite an outdated system, although of course still dangerous. You can see a lot of missiles have lost their service life , which causes the missiles to fall on defended cities, etc.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:43 pm

    my point is: if they had worked on mil. tiltrotors earlier, concurrently with the US, I'm sure they would have a few variants by now.

    And my point is that wasting time and money on such money pits would have delayed other work they are doing in new helicopters like Minoga, and other secret high speed helicopters they have in development.

    Tiltrotor platforms are a niche area that would create very expensive to buy and operate aircraft that could only be used by the military, the commercial value would be very low.

    The only model I could see being of any real world use would be a V-44 type with four engines in four corners of a large Mi-26 or Mi-38 like helicopter body, but even then I don't think it would be worth it.

    They have shown tilt rotor drones which do make sense but I seriously doubt would scale up affordably to make anything actually useful.

    No helo will be able to fly faster & farther w/o refueling.

    The immense cost of development and production of these platforms does not justify being slightly faster... especially at the moment while they expect high speed helicopter designs able to operate at speeds in excess of 500-600km/h, which would make a tiltrotor design redundant.

    They likely wont be cheap either and will very much remain niche products but new rotor blade designs and more powerful engines designed for these high speed helicopters can be adapted to existing types to improve their performance so they are still getting value for money.

    The 1st clip says that Russia may be planning to leave Cherson to AFU & then nuke them there. IMO, it's possible as they have nuclear mines & artillery shells, while the US won't be able to stop them.

    The use of nuclear weapons is not justified, they have the conventional means to deal with the problems.

    Well, it is kinda more complicated.
    {/snip/}
    The point is, that those are not exchangeable, and that applies to Bastion, Kan and Arkan missiles.
    I am not sure if the missiles for rifled guns are kind of modification, to withstand the rotation or something

    Yes, I know all that... my point is that they made four different versions of the missile for the four different ammo handling systems in four different platforms.... I doubt they have had reason to fire off all their guided rounds for the MT-12 smoothbore guns so they likely have a few sitting in storage screaming to be used.

    The base missile is a 100mm calibre round that fits into the MT-12 100mm smoothbore barrel just fine, the rounds used in the rifled 100mm gun of the T-54/55 and the 100mm rifled gun on the BMP-3 have slip rings so the missile travels down those barrels sealed in the barrel so propellent does not blow past the missile and reduce muzzle velocity, but the slip rings prevent the missile engaging the rifling and being spun by the rifling. The fourth model has a sabot to fit the 115mm smoothbore barrel of the T-62 and does not need the slip rings as it is not rifled.

    As you can see in this image:

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    From left to right, the first two are 100mm rifled and smoothbore launched missiles for launching from the smoothbore MT-12 and rifled DT-10 guns respectively (difficult to tell apart, but the shape of the shell casings show they are 100mm rounds), the third round is the 115mm round for the T-62 based on the obvious shell case shape and the fourth with its tiny shell stub is the 100mm low velocity rifled gun of the BMP-3... the fifth is the missile in flight with fins deployed.

    The missile is the 9M117M, but the different versions are for the different guns and are clearly not interchangable so missiles produced for the MT-12 could not be launched from a BMP-3 or T-54/55 or T-62 and vice versa... meaning missiles produced for the MT-12 are probably in stock and ready for use.

    When used with T/MT-12, it was even more interesting, as a laser beam apparatus was deployed aside of the gun, on a tripod.

    They do the same with the 125mm calibre towed guns and missiles.

    They also have the MT-12R there is a radar sight for use in low visibility conditions.

    Now, the western shitstream is trying to tell us, that providing them 20-30 pcs of different systems nobody in Ukr knows how to operate, maintain, repair etc will be a gamechanger.
    Another Wunderwaffe, anoder gamechanger, while the only reason is to pretend that they are so fukin' helpful and mighty. Maybe Ukrs will die for that a month longer.

    All the talk of these air defence systems is probably what spurred the increased use of drones and seems to have resulted in an uptake in the rate Orc air defence equipment has been hit...

    Knocking them out before up and running would be rather humiliating for NATO.

    You mean like losing artillery or the failure of MANPADS and Javelin and NLAW has embarrassed them?

    How can they be ashamed of things they never discuss...

    Having some operational HATO AD systems to practise against would be valuable experience...

    Use drones heavily and in places where they seem to be getting shot down look closer to see what is doing it.

    Russia has lots of stand off attack weapons that can strip away defences and get enemy AD active...

    @Airbornewolf any idea what hit that? insane footage....mother of god

    With a drone overhead, I would guess a Pion or a Tulip, but the precision suggests laser guided and clearly a direct hit.

    Pion and Tulip use 110kg and 130kg respectively HE rounds... slightly less for guided rounds, but then I suppose it could have been a 152mm laser guided round at 50kgs but with a BMP-1 full of ammo.

    Of the different ways to go on a battlefield that would be quick.

    The hysteria over how many people are being evacuated in Kherson is absurd. Is this supposed to be some massive victory by
    the Kiev regime? So now attacks on civilians are considered military achievements? GTFO.

    I think it contrasts beautifully regarding who are the bad guys... when the Orcs advance they bring civilians with them to seed the areas with more meat shields, while Russian forces have been offering humanitarian corridors for civilians who want to leave to go even before they started their operation.


    Just wait until Russia's offensive is rebranded by our media as a Ukrainian advance on the Dniepr and hailed as the greatest victory since the Battle of the Bulge won the world war. I swear, the stupidity of the American people has got to be by design.

    To be fair you could probably do the same in any country on the planet and as most random people on the street couldn't give a shit the results would be similar... especially as the people making the video are trying to make some point so even if half the people they talked to knew the right answers they would be excluded from the final video because that undermines their point that people are idiots... but the real point is that most people don't care enough to find out such things.

    As George Carlin once stated, what the rulers don't want is an educated public capable of critical thinking, what they want are complaint consumers just smart enough to get to work every morning

    The saddest thing is that, the most intelligent critique of US society comes from their comedians and not their media or intelligentsia or politicians...

    Of course a particular comedian in the Ukraine is the exception to that rule.

    Anyway check out this Lancet footage. The thing goes around a sharp 90 degree corner and retains all of its speed.

    Lots of wing area means it should have excellent manouver performance...

    The Simpsons, South Park are popular shows that should make society look in the mirror.

    I don't think most Americans recognise the sometimes clever humour in those shows... of course they are not always intelligent satire of the state of things...

    Pretty strong statement from the israeli def minister re no weapons to the Ukraine. Wonder what the bargaining chip was……Iran weapons from Russia I guess.

    My understanding was that when it was seen that Iranian type drones were being used in the Ukraine by Russia that an Israeli official said if Iran supplies weapons to Russia then Israel can supply weapons to Ukraine, but Medvedev responded by saying Iran has not provided any drones to Russia for this conflict, those drones are Russian made with Russian designations and if Israel wants to supply Kiev then Russia will reevaluate its policies towards Israel in Syria and in regards to weapons to Iran.

    The immediate response from Israel was to say Kiev will not get anything but humanitarian aide from Israel and Iron Dome is off the table.

    Zekensky is deluded and still thinks he can win, while the west already know they have lost but just like Syria are sore losers and want to drag it out purely out of spite and recklessness.

    I think he knows he can't win but continues to read from a script... the hero... soon his only use will be martyr.

    "gaining territory is not a priority" since when? That's pretty much what this war is all about actually.

    If the goal was to just seize territory they did not go in with enough troops... what they are doing is boxing the Orcs... they sent in a small mobile force and are fighting a much bigger opponent but the bigger opponent is slower and can only land superficial blows very occasionally... trying to hold a corner or a half of the ring gives up your mobility advantage... the enemy is emptying its rear areas and moving forward its forces... now down to home guard level units to deal with Russia... pretty soon it will be a situation where the Russians can start to advance which will force enemy forces to either surrender or retreat... in the case of the latter making them horribly vulnerable to encirclement and elimination through air power and artillery, then as they advance the resistance will become token resistance.

    HATO will not send in forces because they don't want to escalate to a nuclear war which is what this will become if HATO gets directly involved. (not that they are not already).

    If Russia is not offensive minded and not hell bent on destroying Ukraine military until they capitulate this will end in failure for sure.

    As long as they keep killing orcs then things are good. Forcing the enemy to mass up into formations to push Russian forces back means creating targets for artillery and air power... outside of built up urban areas enemy troops in the open should be hammered.

    Losing Russian soldiers to defend ground not critical to the war effort is not to be tolerated.

    If Russia controlled more territory, they would have control over supply routes (including potentially limiting Western support)

    Not true because western support is coming from the west and Russia is moving forward from the East.

    Russia moving forward taking more territory reduced the territory the Orcs can draw reserves from, but moving forward and occupying large areas of territory risks attacks in the rear and overstretching your own supply lines.


    I must correct you. I said that I was in agreement that Ukraine would fall within weeks. I like many thought that Ukraine would fold and some kind of agreements would be made. The western leadership said absolutely not, as they totally control Ukraine and what they say goes. I was wrong.

    A natural assumption... what country is so stupid as to go to war with Russia and think their friends will save them?

    Ukraine is that stupid... instead of losing the Crimea (a done deal anyway) and two regions (Donbass and Lugansk) they are losing more territory and as the conflict continues that is only going to get worse while losing men at a horrendous rate at the same time.

    Meanwhile the new cope is "grinding them down" while the real issue to achieve more control is taken care of, which is the current lack of manpower.

    They are clearly shifting away from the tactics they were using, but internet experts like yourself are assuming it is just a case of putting 50K soldiers in armoured vehicles and driving to the front lines to shore them up and then start to advance across the entire line of contact.

    We don't know what they are planning but direct frontal assaults would not fit the pattern shown so far... I suspect pressure from the front to find weak points to surround and enclose groups of Orcs based forward in their current over extended state... they would do well to separate the cannon fodder from the nazi and merc elite so they can capture the former and slaughter the latter where the situation permits.

    Once they have dealt with this part of the Orc military then pushing across the map towards other objectives should not be so hard with only cannon fodder units likely to be left except for hard core units kept safe in the rear... but as the Russians found if you keep highly trained forces in the rear their morale drops over time as does their will to fight for the Tsar and if they don't just run they might try to overthrow you and make peace with the enemy when they arrive.

    However, people need to remember that this is a last ditch push from Ukraine to do something significant before the US elections on Nov 8th. so Biden can use it as a talking point.

    The Russians should be anticipating this so it might be a trap... and if they can spring this trap in time for US voters to realise what idiots they have in charge and that a military solution is not going to work so they need to get rid of the war mongering democrats and get some war mongering republicans into positions of power or at least positions of interference then it might be well worth all the stress and worry.

    Arrival in Kiev this morning...

    IRIS-T was sleeping...

    People almost in Europe feeling what people in the Middle East and Asia and Africa have been feeling for a long time... frustration and helplessness... and fear... about an enemy country with better technology that is currently using that technology to kill them.

    Such feelings will be lost on most westerners.

    The fact is that the strong nation holds the strong currency even if it’s all fantasy or Monopoly money.

    Visa and Mastercard only make sense in countries they are not banned in... then they become useless and you have to find some other way to trade.

    The military power of the US will be no help when no one accepts US dollars any more...

    Western anti-drone radars are blind as moles, it's absurd. What else other western equipment does nothing but looks pretty?

    To be fair they help their own proxies with drones but their enemies rarely get similar support so of course Russia has way more experience shooting down drones that western countries have and it shows. Now they are developing their drone capabilities and western air defence has not even reached the ability to deal with cruise missile attacks let alone drones.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:45 pm

    This is an impressive number, only the S-300PS themselves are quite an outdated system, although of course still dangerous. You can see a lot of missiles have lost their service life , which causes the missiles to fall on defended cities, etc.

    Old stock faulty missiles would just explode or their rocket motors would fail to light up and when they fall back to the ground break open and burn.

    The missiles falling on buildings is more likely being decoyed or jammed, or the guidance radar was turned off too soon to avoid being attacked.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:48 pm

    Members are not trimming their posts properly and this leads to lost of wasted bandwidth.
    From now on members will get a day or two off for not trimming full conversations from their posts before posting their replies. In a day or two I might go back through this thread and count up who the worst offenders are... so members might want to take the time to go back to older posts in this and other threads to trim down the unnecessary quoted conversations before I do.

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